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Just how bad is the damage?
Salon ^ | October 4, 2012 | Steve Kornacki

Posted on 10/04/2012 6:22:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Let’s get the obvious out of the way:Barack Obama lost last night’s presidential debate. The question is how badly it will hurt him.

Heading into last night,the president enjoyed a lead of 3.1 points in the Real Clear Politics polling average. The margin was roughly consistent with where the race has been since Romney secured the Republican nomination in the spring,but it did reflect a slight tightening over the past week. But the immediate verdict from voters who watched the debate was clear,with 67 percent saying Romney fared better in a CNN flash poll,compared to just 25 percent for Obama. In CBS’s poll of undecided voters, Romney was the victor by a 46-22 percent spread.

Over the next few days,Romney stands to reap some significant benefits from what happened in Denver:

* The best press coverage of his life. Well,that’s probably overstating it, but Romney is in for the most favorable stretch of media treatment he’s received as a general election candidate. Since late August, when Republicans staged a dud of a convention,Romney has been portrayed as a candidate in decline, and Obama as a resurgent front-runner. There was good reason for this. Democrats put on perfectly choreographed convention, Romney suffered through the release of the devastating “47 percent” video,and polls confirmed that the momentum was squarely on Obama’s side. Anything short of a clear victory by Romney on Wednesday would have perpetuated this narrative. But he turned in the performance he needed (with a huge assist from a bafflingly docile Obama) and has given the media a new storyline: Romney’s back in it – now we have a real race! At least for the next few days,it will be Romney who is treated as the candidate on the rise,and Obama as the one desperately seeking to contain the damage..............

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KEYWORDS: debate; obama; obamabiden2012; presidentialdebate; romney
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

51 posted on 10/04/2012 6:49:17 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: nuconvert

I’m waiting for the ...

“What you didn’t know was that last night, at the EXACT SAME TIME as the debate, American forces were doing xxxxxx (fill in whatever) and as CIC, the President knew this and he was SO concerned over our military, that he was worried and distracted and that is why he didn’t perform well.”


52 posted on 10/04/2012 6:50:48 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: fortheDeclaration; Cincinatus' Wife
It was very bad, because many people want a
reason to vote against Obama and now have it.
Thxs, for the post / very good remark... its very, very bad for [0]...
he gave 'em a reason to vote for the other guy..[0] is toast (right now)
....he's dangerous now; desperation is setting in.

53 posted on 10/04/2012 6:51:50 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

It was the SOS, but that’s all he has.................


54 posted on 10/04/2012 6:51:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Obama kept looking to Jim Leher for help. Leher did coach Obama on one or two questions, but without a teleprompter, Obama was rambling.

Now, Candy Crowly will get her marching orders for the next debate!


55 posted on 10/04/2012 6:52:15 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Obadiah

Somewhere online I found the ridiculous thread by which Obama is apparently staking that claim. it is that businesses are allowed to deduct their moving expenses when they ship stuff overseas.

So apparently, Obama is claiming he’ll have some effect on the economy by disallowing the shipping of materials overseas when they are involved with, what, simultaneously closing a domestic facility and opening one abroad?

Talk about empty and deceptive BS!


56 posted on 10/04/2012 6:53:06 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: atc23

I was afraid that if Romney attacked Obama, the MSM would accuse him of not being respectful to the office................


57 posted on 10/04/2012 6:53:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Yes, depressed. But, they will still vote. They hate us with every fiber of their being. That’s why they are depressed.


58 posted on 10/04/2012 6:53:38 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: GoCards
That was awesome! Im still laughing at the statement this morning. Classic line that will go down in history.

My favorite was about "green energy". Actually, it was two of them:


59 posted on 10/04/2012 6:53:40 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

<<...Since late August...Romney has been portrayed as a candidate in decline, and Obama as a resurgent front-runner.>>

Portrayed Romney decline by the media yes, actual decline no. If you thought Obama was running a negative campaign, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Mitt better be ready for the kitchen sink these last 30 days because the Kenyan will be desparate.


60 posted on 10/04/2012 6:54:20 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Four years of 8-9% unemployment,

Keep in mind that 8-9% would have been 12-14% if this were a Republican presidency.

61 posted on 10/04/2012 6:54:50 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Right now very bad.
Romney even flipped him the big bird...
62 posted on 10/04/2012 6:55:11 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Romney is everything that Obama despises - he’s White, Rich, good-looking and nice. Romney makes his success look effortless (which it is not). I’m sure that Obama had that - “He inherited it, he didn’t earn it.” attitude in the back of his mind, going into the debate. Since Obama has been petted and passed along through Affirmative Action, he has never really been questioned or challenged - he has been helped.

Romney just slapped Obama full in the face with reality and Obama didn’t like it one little bit. The problem Obama has now is that he has coasted for so many years, he can’t cram the information into his head fast enough to come close to Romney’s level of knowledge. And Obama knows it, it was showing on his face last night.


63 posted on 10/04/2012 6:56:02 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Democrats put on perfectly choreographed convention...

Bad grammar aside, I had to double check that this wasn't satire when I read this assertion. It was Salon, though, so it might as well be satire.

The author apparently didn't see much of the dem convention.

64 posted on 10/04/2012 6:56:02 AM PDT by MortMan (Laughter is the best medicine, especially when ridiculing your enemies.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We need to find out where Newt was during Mitt's debate prep. R2
65 posted on 10/04/2012 6:56:40 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: The Klingon
I stopped reading at “ Democrats put on perfectly choreographed convention”

Gosh, yes. That vote on reinserting God back into the platform could have been the work of Gene Kelly or June Taylor themselves. /sarc off


66 posted on 10/04/2012 6:56:52 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Col Frank Slade; Cincinatus' Wife
The next debate is about foreign policy. Obama has nothing to hang his hat on, other than killing UBL which he will crow endlessly about. The Libya debacle, mid East riots and Iran are all pitfalls for him.

Romney has a target rich environment. He can pick and choose those topics to tear Obama apart.

Yes, it is a target-rich environment - so much so that you didn't mention one key event: Obama's RECORDED statement to Russian President Medvedev about having one last election, and having more flexibility after it was over. If Romney doesn't draw and quarter him over the image and the reality that such a statement presents to the world and in our dealings with a hostile, heavily-armed and aggressive world power, then Romney doesn't deserve to be President. However, I think that he'll do it.

I was disappointed that the issue of gun control didn't come up (because Bathhouse Barry was yammering on for so long about nonsense), but the issue also spills over into foreign policy with "Fast and Furious." The Univision report that came out this week is absolutely damning, and if Romney brings it up (all of it, including protecting Holder and the violation of Congressional orders to produce information) he'll win a lot of votes (especially among Hispanics if he plays it right).

My opinion is that Romney will clean Bathhouse Barry's clock on foreign policy, and that when he does so the election is all but over. Anyone early voting in the next week or so is now more likely to vote for Romney, and the "debate" between Plugs and Ryan will only reinforce the impression that the Romney-Ryan team is ready to lead, whilst the Bathhouse Barry-Plugs team is fiddling (or, more accurately, playing golf) as the country burns.

67 posted on 10/04/2012 6:57:12 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Obama will recover. His first line in the next debate:

Moderator: Mr. President, you have been accused of lying in the last debate. Do you think this will hurt your re-election chances?

Obama: Mr. Moderator, I do not want lying to be an issue in this campaign. I don’t want to use my opponant’s honesty and forthrightness against him.


68 posted on 10/04/2012 6:57:26 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
“Democrats put on perfectly choreographed convention”

Really? They had a women's rights advocate (Fluke) telling us how bad R's are for women followed by a serial sexual offender (Clinton).

69 posted on 10/04/2012 6:59:34 AM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: The_Reader_David
Help me out here to respond to this from a lib:
So I'm just unclear on something. Romney says he will not raise taxes for middle class. But he will eliminates many deductions. How is this different? If I used to get a refund and will now have to pay isn't this essentially the same thing. Please explain.

I need to respond and shut this goof up. Takers?

70 posted on 10/04/2012 7:01:18 AM PDT by arbee4bush (My Dad, My Hero. Love You Dad!!)
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To: justlurking
My favorite was about "green energy". Actually, it was two of them, Comparing the 2.8 billion in tax breaks to oil companies to Obama's 90 billion to solar and wind. Pointing out later that 90 billion could have hired 2 million teachers.

Unless I am mistaken, they were talking about "depletion allowances"

Romney handled it fairly well, but the fact the American Public do not know what it is, and how it is important from a tax and accounting standpoint is scary unto itself...

If you want to eliminate "depletion allowances" ok, then let's have that debate w/ much lower marginal rates, but that will have to be down the road...

71 posted on 10/04/2012 7:01:23 AM PDT by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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To: The Klingon

If they have to start running ads in Kalipornia, Obama is toast


72 posted on 10/04/2012 7:02:10 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Red Badger

I think you hit the nail on the head. The reason the left is so down on Obama’s performance is that they thought he was magic. Now they have to come to terms with the fact that he is not.


73 posted on 10/04/2012 7:03:48 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Red Badger
“I saw the debate and I didn’t think it was as bad as all that”

You never worshiped obama and considered him your messiah.

LLS

74 posted on 10/04/2012 7:03:52 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Col Frank Slade

I have an ominous feeling that this foreign policy debate between Ears and Mitt...will not occur.


75 posted on 10/04/2012 7:05:41 AM PDT by Mountain Mary (Pray for our Republic...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
...Democrats put on perfectly choreographed convention...

Like the voice vote to keep mention of "God" in their platform? Was that "perfectly choreographed"?

76 posted on 10/04/2012 7:05:41 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Daveinyork
People who were planning to vote for Obama are not going to change their minds, and in fact many of them are claiming that Obama won the debate, and that Romney told a bunch of lies, irrational as it might sound, but they are irrational people.

That is probably true of the 40% who will vote for their naked king no matter what.

A blowout election will be a victory of about 5%, and Mitt performed well enough to secure this king of margin. My prediction: 52-47, with a much greater electoral margin.

77 posted on 10/04/2012 7:06:13 AM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The people who watched the debate were written off some time ago by the dems. 0 is counting on the moron vote who are uninflenced by the debate.


78 posted on 10/04/2012 7:06:29 AM PDT by Joe Bfstplk (People should enjoy the fruits of their labor. No labor, no fruit.)
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To: Daveinyork
luntz had an obama voting group last night... 13 out of 24 that voted for obama in 2008 and went into this debate as pro obama... changed their vote.

LLS

79 posted on 10/04/2012 7:07:13 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Daveinyork

Big Bird vs. Big Turd.


80 posted on 10/04/2012 7:07:19 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

but there would not be a 16 TRILLION national debt.


81 posted on 10/04/2012 7:07:19 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: The Citizen Soldier

king=kind


82 posted on 10/04/2012 7:08:09 AM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.)
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To: Daveinyork

The next debate is supposed to be on foreign policy. Very high risk for Obama. Too many tense situations around the world, the direction of which are completely beyond his control. My bet is that he blows up a couple of aspirin factories the day before and then begs off.


83 posted on 10/04/2012 7:08:51 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: sportutegrl

Oh, definitely. Their talking point was “Romney was not specific.” Like Obama has EVER been?? Obama could never have been specific about his stupid obamaCare; the bill is thousands of pages. Why would Romney want to be specific about which deductions (loopholes) he would do away with? Some will hurt.


84 posted on 10/04/2012 7:09:20 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Red Badger

I think what we’re seeing here from the left is a shocking realization that they’ve been duped. Their guy isn’t that smart.

As much as I detest Harvard graduates, professors and their ilk, I have to admit that Romney came out of what is their toughest program (the combined JD/MBA) with very high marks.

We don’t know what Obama’s grades were - anywhere. Last night, people of all stripes suddenly might be thinking “Hmmm..... I wonder if he made his grade secret because they reflect what we saw last night...”


85 posted on 10/04/2012 7:09:20 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: Red Badger
"I saw the debate and I didn’t think it was as bad as all that the Left is making it out to be."
Your right! It wasn't as bad as Salon stated, it was worse....Obama was nuked from outer space.....
86 posted on 10/04/2012 7:10:38 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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87 posted on 10/04/2012 7:11:56 AM PDT by Fawn (DEAR JESUS....PLEASE LET OBAMA LOSE.....AMEN.)
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To: ilgipper

And when you look at things now, Obama by lying to us and costing us money for his political gain, OBAMA HIMSELF looks like the heartless one.


88 posted on 10/04/2012 7:12:12 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Daveinyork

There is about a 43% floor that will vote for a moldy loaf of bread if its a democrat but there are some Democrats who are followers of the bandwagon too and there are those who only supported Obama because he seemed “cool” and “all that”.

Well the last 2 groups might only be 5% of the electorate but their bubbles were certainly burst last night. Those are the really dispirited ones after last night.

Obama is not cool, they saw him get schooled by Romney and the bandwagon might be following Romney starting today.


89 posted on 10/04/2012 7:13:32 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Col Frank Slade

People keep thinking about this wrong.

The election is not in November... the election is happening NOW!

Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Iowa, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina...

are all voing RIGHT NOW!

It wont matter what Obama does in the next debate is TWO WEEKS! Romney will have racked up a MASSIVE lead in early voting between now and then.

I think Romney locked up North Carolina, Florida, Iowa and possibly New Hampshire last night, and moved Wisconsin and Ohio the leans Romney category.

and there isn’t a darn thing Obama can do about any of this for two weeks!

WOOT!!!!


90 posted on 10/04/2012 7:14:00 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: arbee4bush
>"If I used to get a refund and will now have to pay isn't this essentially the same thing. Please explain."

They'll have to vote for him to find out. /piglousy

91 posted on 10/04/2012 7:15:00 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

“Trickle-down government”.

One of the lines I keep seeing in the MSM today.

The other two lines:
“I have five kids and I know when someone is lying to me.”

“I need a new accountant.”

I didn’t watch, but I did follow the live thread here.

As far as Romneycare vs zer0care, remember that Romneycare is a State issue, not a Federal one. That makes a huge difference, IMO. States have the right to do as their voters choose. The Feds are the creation of the individually Sovereign States and need to remember that.


92 posted on 10/04/2012 7:15:02 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: patton
Is it true that several Obama supporters jumped out of a window at the end of the debate?
93 posted on 10/04/2012 7:15:28 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: HomeAtLast

I agree that there is no tax “credit” for off-shoring jobs. Companies do it because they need a local presence or the expense for wages will be less. There may be some tax “savings” in the US because the company does not have to match Social Security and Medicare witholding for those employees, but that is certainly not a credit, and the company also has to adhere to the labor laws in the off-shore location.


94 posted on 10/04/2012 7:19:11 AM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: Red Badger
I saw the debate and I didn’t think it was as bad as all that the Left is making it out to be.

If you look at it from the point of view that liberal think that obama is the smartest president, ever, that he is a great orator, and that ALL Republicans are knuckle dragging Neanderthals, then you can see why they are so upset. Simply losing would have been bad. Losing in such a fashion is the coming of the end!

95 posted on 10/04/2012 7:22:07 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: taildragger
Unless I am mistaken, they were talking about "depletion allowances"

I believe so. But, that's not just for oil companies. It's used by all resource extraction industries (i.e. mining).

The best way I know to describe depletion allowances is that it is like depreciation. The value of the asset (the land) declines due to the removal of the resource. It's just like depreciation on equipment. However, most people don't understand depreciation anyway.

If you want to eliminate "depletion allowances" ok, then let's have that debate w/ much lower marginal rates, but that will have to be down the road...

Actually, that's exactly what Romney said: he effectively said he was willing to get rid of it in order to lower corporate tax rates to 35%.

96 posted on 10/04/2012 7:22:16 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: MrB

From what I see we had a golden opportunity to see affirmative action in motion last night.


97 posted on 10/04/2012 7:22:39 AM PDT by depenzz (As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in public schools.)
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To: GeronL

The way to win in the current political environment is to get the base out to the polls. There are not enough undecideds to matter.


98 posted on 10/04/2012 7:23:35 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: taildragger
Agreed...the reference may be to the depletion allowance, but I also recall a Democrat proposal to require capitalization and depreciation of intangible drilling costs instead of deducting them as an expense in the year incurred.

That would create a situation where dry hole costs would have to be capitalized and depreciated, even though the well was P & A'd as a non-producer, and contributed no new net reserves to the operator's balance sheet. Bad proposal all the way around.
99 posted on 10/04/2012 7:26:02 AM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: nuconvert

I believe there are already reports of a coming Lybya strike.


100 posted on 10/04/2012 7:26:35 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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