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1 posted on 10/04/2012 3:50:25 PM PDT by tobyhill
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I just watched the debate. Romney could have inflicted more damage on obama, but why beat a dead horse.


2 posted on 10/04/2012 3:52:21 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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Jewannnn Williams


3 posted on 10/04/2012 3:52:22 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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CNN has spent the last hour staying on the talking points claiming that every single word from Romney was a lie without any actual facts to back up the assertion. Also being very sure to remind me 500 times that Obama didn’t “cut” Medicare. HA! They suck, but they’ll get this handled as soon as possible.


4 posted on 10/04/2012 3:56:42 PM PDT by The Toll
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Maybe like Muhammad Ali, he was doing the rope-a-dope. Letting Romney tire himself out and think he is winning – only to come back in the second and third debate and knock him out with facts.
Wow. That's some industrial-strength wishful-thinking he's got going there.
5 posted on 10/04/2012 3:58:58 PM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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No amount of spinning is going to take away what I witnessed last night, an
ass whooping!


7 posted on 10/04/2012 4:01:34 PM PDT by marygam (#Hurry November 2012, we might not make it#)
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This just in (for the 1000th time): Juan Williams is a moron. In fact, in defending The Marxist he’s simply defending his own affirmative action career.


10 posted on 10/04/2012 4:06:00 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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I watched the debate.

I knew in advance that everything Obama said would be infuriating.

I knew in advance that some things Romney would say would be infuriating.

This is not High School, people. Who noticed that they both showed up in dark suits and white shirts? The Obama had a blue tie. The Romney had a red tie. Kind of like uniforms.

11 posted on 10/04/2012 4:19:24 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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Romney won..


12 posted on 10/04/2012 4:35:31 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Yes, Obama, I had help with my business. MY CUSTOMERS!)
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I didn’t see the humiliating defeat for President Obama that some liberals saw as they began their bellyaching about how President Obama has lost

Obviously, this guy fell asleep in front of the TV...real early!!!

13 posted on 10/04/2012 4:36:01 PM PDT by GoldenPup (Comrade "O" has got to GO!!)
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14 posted on 10/04/2012 4:36:41 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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Coming in November:

Conventional wisdom about politics is usually wrong. That is why I often disagree with it.

But I can’t recall a time when I disagreed more profoundly with the conventional wisdom that has coalesced around a major news event.

In yesterday’s election, I just didn’t see the overwhelming, game-changing victory for Mitt Romney that his supporters are touting all over television and the Internet today.

I didn’t see the humiliating defeat for President Obama that some liberals saw as they began their bellyaching about how President Obama managed to lose this election.

Instead, I saw an election in which neither candidate delivered a knockout punch. I saw a match that basically ended in a draw. After all, 52-48% is really within the national “margin of error” isn’t it?.

There is not one moment that I could point to as evidence that either candidate actually “lost” the election.


15 posted on 10/04/2012 4:45:46 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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Let me guess. This was written on Tuesday.


16 posted on 10/04/2012 4:46:29 PM PDT by Raycpa
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“I didn’t see the humiliating defeat for President Obama that some liberals saw as they began their bellyaching about how President Obama has lost his momentum and could now lose the election.

I saw a serious, substantive policy debate in which neither candidate slipped up or neither candidate delivered a knockout punch. I saw a match that basically ended in a draw.”

True there was no knockout punch. Nor should there be, even in the “Dancing With the Stars” world we live in. No other aspect of what this guy says is true. Just because a liberal jerk “doesn’t see” something doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. A goodly number of “Romney sucks” memes were nicely destroyed. Just like the “War on Women” and the “he’ll prohibit abortion” things got smashed, Romney came off as a much more caring and insightful individual than has been so relentlessly obscured with the endless “murder”, “felon” “tax evader” crap. Those gambits if you’ll recall, also fell by the wayside. He came across as a serious candidate with intelligent things to say. Forgetting the conservative shortcomings we all know about, I believe this was perhaps the first introduction to Romney that many, many undecideds ever experienced. And he spoke of the Constitution and Declaration and he deftly conflated those documents with freedoms and real opportunity. This is different than trying to force vague Marxist ideals into conjunction with utopian memes like 0bama is always doing.

And in that same vein, 0bama came off as a petulant, pouting, and poorly prepared chanter of the same old “millionaires and billionaires” lines we’ve been hearing for years now. Yes, years. All without any apparent improvement in the the lives of the 99%. And I believe the willingness to open up to Romney was created, and THAT may well be the knockout. Not a punch, but an opening door. This has been Mitt’s pattern, and I can’t think of another way to get through the bumper-stickerisms of the lib side, I really can’t. I remain, like all here, less than comfortable with Mitts’ many shortcomings and policy flips. There is nothing I can do about those characteristics. I’m not confident that he will do everything he said he will do. If that makes him a liar, well, OK. But I am perfectly sure that 0bama will do a LOT more than what he promised in terms of how he will create fiat policies and diktats that will negatively affect all our lives. And I’m as sure as the sun rises that he must be defeated.

Finally, neither candidate engaged in that much of a serious, substantive conversation. Compared to a bumper sticker, OK, yeah. But the fact of the matter is that Romney and Ryan have little in the way of a math-functional approach to developing a balanced budget. But whatever they have or don’t have it’s light years closer than anything 0bama has to offer.


17 posted on 10/04/2012 5:00:27 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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The word trick Juan is trying to play is to call what everyone else is doing is conventional wisdom. Wrong, He is the one with conventional wisdom, which is that Democrats always win debates. It just so happens this is a freak occurrence when the consensus of the moment is counter the normal conventional wisdom.

I warned about Williams the day Fox doubled his contract. Here is the article. A lot of Freepers flamed me for this....at the time that is.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/foxs_rash_juan_williams_overre.html


18 posted on 10/04/2012 5:07:19 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright ("You Might Be a Liberal" (YMBAL) Coming out Sept 1 by C. Edmund Wright)
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I’d say Juan is an idiot but Obama already used that word all up.


19 posted on 10/04/2012 5:09:34 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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Consider the source. I use to think Juan an honest Liberal. Turns out his just another racist who refuses to look beyond Obama’s skin color.


20 posted on 10/04/2012 5:10:48 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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Poor Juan. Romney decimated Obama. Main reason is that leftism benefits nobody but the ones at the top. How do you make a case for that?


23 posted on 10/04/2012 5:17:57 PM PDT by dforest
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Hi, I am Juan Williams and this gig on Fox News is a blast. I'm the ridiculous liberal that has to continually say stupid stuff so that I can earn two million dollars a year.

Like O.J., I live in a fancy home in a fancy, mostly white, neighborhood. I eat at the finest restaurants and pal around with other millionaires. Still, I never stop identifying with the "little people" who have actually no place in my life, unless you count my maid.

24 posted on 10/04/2012 5:27:45 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.)
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I saw a serious, substantive policy debate in which neither candidate slipped up or neither candidate delivered a knockout punch.

What do you smoke, Juan?

No high-grade Hawaiian choom could mess a brain up so badly.

25 posted on 10/04/2012 5:30:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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Someone should tell Juan Williams that “Denial” isn’t just a river in Egypt.


26 posted on 10/04/2012 5:35:38 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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