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Dems hope Biden can blunt Romney momentum post-debate (desperation)
The Hill ^ | 10/5/12 | Niall Stanage and Amie Parnes

Posted on 10/05/2012 7:37:15 AM PDT by Lakeshark

Democratic strategists are eyeing the forthcoming debate between Vice President Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) with a mix of hope and nervousness in the wake of President Obama’s widely panned performance in his initial encounter with Mitt Romney Wednesday night.

On the plus side, some Democrats feel that a strong performance from Biden next Thursday could turn the page on the president’s near-debacle in Denver.

But they also worry that Biden’s legendary capacity to state his views in an inartful fashion could backfire. More prosaically, there is the possibility that the vice-presidential clash will be an insignificant sideshow, which would mean that Obama might have to wait until the second presidential debate on Oct. 16 before righting his ship.

Across the Democratic ranks, the reverberations from the president’s poor showing were clearly still being felt Thursday.
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Republican consultant Dan Judy said of the Biden-Ryan clash, “it will be entertaining but I don’t think it is likely to change voters’ minds.”

For Judy, unlike the Democratic strategists, that would suit him just fine:

“The president isn’t going to really have a chance to get his footing back until that second debate with Gov. Romney. He has never really found himself in that position in any campaign he has run,” Judy said. “It is going to be fascinating to see if he has the resilience to deal with it.”

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KEYWORDS: biden; debates; desperate; ryan
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Bwahahahahahaha. The thought of the dems hoping Biden can pull in more respect for Bambi while he debates Ryan is overwhelmingly funny........

Desperation to the max.

1 posted on 10/05/2012 7:37:25 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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At the risk of appearing biased about this upcoming debate debacle, here is my favorite crazy Joe Biden pic:


2 posted on 10/05/2012 7:39:45 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark

I am sure Bidenw will pull some sort of stunt on Ryan..hope Ryan is expecting it.


3 posted on 10/05/2012 7:42:44 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Lakeshark

I think someone’s confusing insanity for desperation.


4 posted on 10/05/2012 7:42:48 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Lakeshark
"Dems hope Biden can blunt Romney momentum post-debate"

And the Japanese thought the kamikazes would blunt the US Navy's momentum, post-Saipan.

5 posted on 10/05/2012 7:43:00 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Lakeshark

“Dems hope Biden can blunt Romney momentum post-debate”

Damn, they’re in worse shape than I thought if they’re counting on that moron for help.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer barrel of snakes.


6 posted on 10/05/2012 7:44:25 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: Lakeshark
A friend asked me if I thought they would use Swiffer mops to clean up all the blood after the Ronmey/Obama debate. I told him that I didn't think there were enough swiffers in Denver.

Old Joe won't even know what hit him after the first 2 minutes. They will need a wet vac to clean up after that one.

7 posted on 10/05/2012 7:44:39 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: Lakeshark

Bet your bottom dollar that the Democrats are mourning the fact that they did not replace Biden on the ticket months ago. Dan Quayle is Albert Einstein in comparison to this moron.


8 posted on 10/05/2012 7:44:47 AM PDT by PBRCat
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To: Lakeshark

Don’t kid yourself. Biden is a very good speaker and CAN beat out Romney. Be cautious. Remember, it’s the media’s game.


9 posted on 10/05/2012 7:45:19 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: Lakeshark; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ..

Wisconsin ping: Dems look to the Biden/Ryan debate to “right” Obama’s campaign ship!

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.

LOLOLOL! Obviously these “Dems” don’t know Paul Ryan! He will take no prisoners when he squares off with ol’ Joe.


10 posted on 10/05/2012 7:45:39 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: Lakeshark

Whoops....Biden can beat out Ryan...and/or Romney.


11 posted on 10/05/2012 7:46:26 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: Lakeshark

Any organization depending on Joe Biden for much more than bringing the bratwurst and beer is an organization in trouble.


12 posted on 10/05/2012 7:47:11 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; ...

I should add that Ryan will slaughter Joe with grace, with facts, and with a smile on his face.


13 posted on 10/05/2012 7:48:08 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: Lakeshark

Is this the Friday Silliness Thread?


14 posted on 10/05/2012 7:48:13 AM PDT by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: Lakeshark

Never put hope and Biden together and expect nothing but fail.


15 posted on 10/05/2012 7:48:47 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Lakeshark
The MSM is in over-drive to spin Hussein's bad performance out of sight and mind.

Biden? Keep on the pressure.

16 posted on 10/05/2012 7:49:10 AM PDT by stboz
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To: Lakeshark
Do not send the man in the gasoline suit to serve as a firewall.
17 posted on 10/05/2012 7:50:17 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: Lakeshark
Will he be pinning his eyebrows up like he did during his debate with Palin?


18 posted on 10/05/2012 7:50:28 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Lakeshark

We gotta stay humble and focused...

Proverbs 16:18 (KJV)

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Biden is an idiot, but cannot be underestimated. He will be baiting Ryan big time. Ryan needs to be SHARP.


19 posted on 10/05/2012 7:52:29 AM PDT by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated populace is the biggest threat to our nation.)
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To: dalebert
am sure Bidenw will pull some sort of stunt on Ryan..hope Ryan is expecting it.

Ryan needs to assume there's a high probability that Biden will know what the quetions are beforehand, and that they will be calculated to put him on the defensive. There is more than enough evidence of collusion between the journalists and the Obama campaign to warrant suspicion this will be a setup.

20 posted on 10/05/2012 7:53:22 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Lakeshark

Lets not build up expectations sky high for Ryan and super low for Biden, works to the enemedia’s/’rats advantage.

There is the chance that Biden can explain and convince us ALL that another $1 Trillion in taxes is good for the economy...


21 posted on 10/05/2012 7:54:29 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Timber Rattler

And they think Obama got shellacked, just wait.


22 posted on 10/05/2012 7:55:19 AM PDT by Rodm
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To: dalebert

Ryan can pull a stunt on Slo Joe by asking him exactly how 833,000 jobs were created in Sept. and what kind of jobs.


23 posted on 10/05/2012 7:56:40 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Lakeshark
Biden says a lot of stupid things when he's relaxed, but during a debate, I expect he'll be pretty sharp. He's combative and experienced.

I think the best approach for Ryan is to be calm and stick to the numbers.

The undecided voters will get tired of Biden's yelling and bullying, and recognize how sharp Ryan is.

24 posted on 10/05/2012 7:57:42 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: Lakeshark

You know the ship is sinking when you have to rely on Biden for anything.


25 posted on 10/05/2012 7:57:49 AM PDT by gdani
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To: Lakeshark

Good news for Biden is obozo set the bar really low.

Pray for America


26 posted on 10/05/2012 7:57:59 AM PDT by bray (If you vote for a communist what does that make you?)
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To: dalebert

>> I am sure Biden will pull some sort of stunt on Ryan...

(Fake raspy voice, muffled by talking through a handkerchief):...yeah, hello, Gwen? This is Gwen Ifill? yeah [snif] this is Joe... Joe Biden. Say Gwen... I’m not feeling so good [cough] an’ I don’t wanna give this to anyone, you know, so I’m not gonna be able to come in for tonight’s debate...


27 posted on 10/05/2012 7:58:22 AM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Lakeshark

It’s to be expected. It’s their standard procedure to whip up some media -generated hysteria to distract or play down from their mistakes, and dirty dealings.


28 posted on 10/05/2012 7:58:53 AM PDT by virgil
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To: Lakeshark
On the plus side, some Democrats feel that a strong performance from Biden next Thursday could turn the page on the president’s near-debacle in Denver.

Now that's just got to make dems all warm, fuzzy, and comfy.

29 posted on 10/05/2012 8:02:26 AM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Don’t kid yourself. Biden is a very good speaker and CAN beat out Romney. Be cautious. Remember, it’s the media’s game.

Well, maybe, but he is debating Ryan.

Your hate for Romney has finished your last firing brain synapse.

Comatose is one step removed from room temperature.

30 posted on 10/05/2012 8:04:27 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: Lakeshark

Whatever they’re smoking over at the WH must be some seriously out of this world stuff. I think there’s more than arugula growing out there in the garden.


31 posted on 10/05/2012 8:09:33 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Sacajaweau
you mean the guy that asked a handicapped man to stand up so all could see him? That biden? LOL
32 posted on 10/05/2012 8:13:03 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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well, we saw Ryan take apart Obama in those Youtube clips.. Biden will make a huge error and Ryan will call him on it and point out what a dimwit he is.

these are really priveledged people, these dems..they have never been called out on their lies before..


33 posted on 10/05/2012 8:21:46 AM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: USS Alaska

Yep


34 posted on 10/05/2012 8:23:39 AM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: Lakeshark

Good luck with that. /sarc

I have some gourmet popcorn on standby for that debate.


35 posted on 10/05/2012 8:24:12 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Lakeshark
I don’t think it is likely to change voters’ minds

Probably not. But the contrast between Ryan and Biden and the idea of an actual, not made up as was the case with Dan Quayle, drooling moron being a "heart beat" away from the Red Phone (if it's expressed in some ads) would be good grist for the late night joke mills.

Liberals take to ridicule and laughter like a vampire takes to sunlight.

36 posted on 10/05/2012 8:24:23 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Lakeshark

It’s absurd to think Biden, even if he’s suddenly coherent and articulate, can do anything to help Obama in the debate. He’s not debating Romney and he isn’t Obama.

This still boils down to a referendum on Obama and there’s little Plugs can say that would change things. I am hoping he manages to either say something stupid or so over the top untrue (ie “Obama is the best friend Israel ever had”) that it leaves an opening for Ryan to demolish him.


37 posted on 10/05/2012 8:26:33 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

“Biden says a lot of stupid things when he’s relaxed, but during a debate, I expect he’ll be pretty sharp. He’s combative and experienced. “

YUppers. He totally smoked Palin by telling a story about his friends at the local cafe ... which had closed 20 years ago.

The worst news for the Romney/Ryan campaign was the unemployment headline. Expect Biden to use the ‘we are turning a corner’ narrative.

... oh, and repeat the lie about Romney wanting tax hikes for the middle class.


38 posted on 10/05/2012 8:27:02 AM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: Timber Rattler
Fascinating!


39 posted on 10/05/2012 8:29:11 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Lakeshark

“I don’t think it is likely to change voters’ minds.”

I’m not so sure about that given the fact that joe the MOron is next in line.


40 posted on 10/05/2012 8:31:34 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: WOSG

It’s the Obama economic miracle! Unemployment has suddenly dropped to 7.8%! Yeah, right.


41 posted on 10/05/2012 8:31:51 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: Lakeshark
Bringing sexy back to the democratic party...
42 posted on 10/05/2012 8:31:55 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: WOSG

if Biden tries the “we’re turning a corner” thing using the unemployment numbers, I’d expect Ryan to smoke him by pointing out all the irregularities, the massaging and the fact that the upward revisions were 100% government jobs (private sector revisions were downward by 5000 jobs)


43 posted on 10/05/2012 8:36:43 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Lakeshark
On the plus side, some Democrats feel that a strong performance from Biden next Thursday could turn the page on the president’s near-debacle in Denver.

Oh dear lord, those poor, deluded darlings!

The only thing Joe Biden has going for him in this debate is that he has lowered peoples' expectations to the lowest point possible.

44 posted on 10/05/2012 8:39:23 AM PDT by Kenton (Happiness is watching MSNBC's meltdown after the first Presidemtial debate.)
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To: Lakeshark

If Joe gets too overwhelmed, he can always entertain the audience with a song and dance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRXH7RkCZQ


45 posted on 10/05/2012 8:41:40 AM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Lakeshark

When Biden debated Palin almost every word out of his mouth was a lie and nobody in the MSM reported it.


46 posted on 10/05/2012 8:45:14 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: Lakeshark

HAHA that’s like pinning your football team’s hopes to win the Superbowl on a high school quarterback.


47 posted on 10/05/2012 8:53:26 AM PDT by erod (This Chicagoan will crawl over broken glass to vote the fake Chicagoan Obama out!)
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To: Safetgiver

I sure hope Ryan asks Joe the jobs question


48 posted on 10/05/2012 8:53:26 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: texgal

I think it goes exactly as you predict. Biden is all mouth and no substance. Most people get that nowadays.


49 posted on 10/05/2012 8:53:37 AM PDT by FryingPan101 (2016 looms)
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To: Sacajaweau
I was just thinking the same thing as I was scrolling down this list of comments. Biden is certainly gaffe prone, but counting on him to "play the fool" during the debate is--foolish!

Paul Ryan spoke to this, and--encouragingly--reminded his audience that Biden tends to NOT make gaffes in any kind of serious setting--like debates--and did deliver a very good speech (for a liberal) at the convention.

IOW, let's expect the best but prepare for the worst--in this case the BEST from Biden!

50 posted on 10/05/2012 8:56:02 AM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement.)
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