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Impossible To Manipulate Labor Survey Data—Former BLS Head ^ | 10/05/12 | Geoffrey Rogow

Posted on 10/05/2012 8:59:30 AM PDT by listenhillary

Even if the U.S. government wanted to manipulate monthly jobs figures, it would be impossible to accomplish, said a former head of the U.S. government’s labor statistics agency.

Accusations that the government had manipulated the latest employment report spread across Twitter and other forums Friday after the U.S. unemployment rate fell to its lowest level since President Barack Obama’s inauguration. Among those questioning the better-than-expected report was former General Electric Chief Executive Jack Welch, who tweeted the suggestion that the “unbelievable jobs numbers” were fabricated to help Obama’s electoral chances in next month’s presidential election.

But, Keith Hall, who served as Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics from 2008 until 2012, said in an interview Friday that there is no way someone at the agency could change any of the data from its two monthly employment surveys. The significant improvement in the unemployment rate may reflect normal statistical errors in the sampling process, he said, but that has nothing to do with manipulation.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: magicnumbers; sourcetitlenoturl; unemployment; unexpected; unfrickinexpected
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To: montag813
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61 posted on 10/05/2012 10:51:39 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: listenhillary

Maybe back in his day. People prior to Obama and his crowd used to be ethical.

So sir, it is possible, as possible as cheating in an election.

62 posted on 10/05/2012 11:04:08 AM PDT by dforest
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To: listenhillary
It's True, The BLS Data Is Made Up
63 posted on 10/05/2012 11:05:49 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: dforest

“So the business survey says +114k jobs, the HH survey says +873k. Who you gonna believe, the BLS or the BLS?”

Iowahawk tweet

The household survey is a much smaller sample, and that is what the 7.8 unemployment rate being put forth is based on. It’s much like polling where they call up people on the phone and query them about their unemployment status.

64 posted on 10/05/2012 11:11:00 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: listenhillary


In The California State Parks division has recently found some $59 million in a private reserve “off the books” accounts, that they never recorded in their annual financial statements.

Anything can be manipulated. Bernie Madoff, Bernard Ebbers, etc...

65 posted on 10/05/2012 11:43:14 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: listenhillary

BS - maybe the numbers themselves cannot be manipulated, but the definition of how those numbers are counted can be, and HAS BEEN manipulated.

We now use a figure called U3 for the headline number for unemployment. Prior to about 1992, we used a calculation that was effectively identical to U6. U6 is now at 15%. See Shadow Statistics for information on this purposeful manipulation.

FYI, there’s a short article from Karl Denninger of The Market Ticker from this morning about the absurdity of the U3 number:

66 posted on 10/05/2012 11:45:43 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: alloysteel

You are lucky!

Yesterday I paid nearly $5 bucks per gallon and had my wallet lifted by $87 bucks!


67 posted on 10/05/2012 11:46:10 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: listenhillary; All

Household Survey Magic

Table A-9....go down under non-seasonally adjust and look at the Full time/Part time section.

Full-Time jobs decreased by 536,000
Part-time jobs increased by 1,311,000

68 posted on 10/05/2012 11:57:13 AM PDT by Fithal the Wise
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To: irish_links
In other words, the likelihood is that this was either a bad sample or a manipulated sample.

That was my first question. I haven't lived in the US since 2006. Up until then, I never got unsolicited calls on my cell phone. Has that changed ? Do they do surveys to cell phones now ? If not, that leaves only land lines. Now, if you were out of work for a year and had a cellphone and a regular land line, wouldn't you get rid of the land line as an unnecessary expense ( or if you are really cutting to the bone - no phone at all ( or a prepaid one where the number isn't in any database ) ? Thus, the people that are out of work for a long time are not in the sample.

69 posted on 10/05/2012 7:50:43 PM PDT by TheCipher (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself- Mark Twain)
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