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3D Printing and the Second Amendment
wealthdaily.com ^ | 5 October, 2012 | Nick Hodge

Posted on 10/06/2012 7:46:27 PM PDT by marktwain

Printing Wealth, Not Dollars

Over the next few weeks Cody Wilson was going to make his own gun from scratch.

Developments in high-end design and manufacturing processes have brought the cost of doing this way down.

For a few thousand bucks, you or I can design and manufacture pretty much anything we want in our workshops, sheds, and garages.

The most important thing you need is called a 3D printer.

Once you have one, you can find designs on the Internet and print out almost anything you'd like.

Cody Wilson leased one. He planned to print out a pistol and share with others the know-how to do so. You know, because the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, and is necessary to the security of a free state.

But free no longer, you can imagine what your rulers and their enforcers thought about this idea. (Of course they knew about it: Civilian surveillance is up 64% under Obama after Bush opened up the rights-squashing gate with the (un)Patriot Act.)

Now, Cody is a second-year law student, so he's got a good grasp on his rights...

He knew he was well inside the law as long has he didn't try to sell his printed firearm. And it's certainly legal to share specs on how to do so.

(Excerpt) Read more at wealthdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 3d; atf; banglist; printing
This story and technology is growing legs.
1 posted on 10/06/2012 7:46:32 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Gene Rodenbury was definitely a visionary futurist.

So much of the technology he only imagined has actually come to pass.

Now the replicator (3D printer).


2 posted on 10/06/2012 7:51:08 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: marktwain

3D printing .... oh how I hate that term. This is what has been known as rapid prototyping for years now.


3 posted on 10/06/2012 7:56:08 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al_c

Though there is an actual printer that can 3 dimensionally print now.


4 posted on 10/06/2012 7:59:56 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: marktwain

Good grief. I am a machinist. I could make a servicable gun in a couple of hours in any machine shop.


5 posted on 10/06/2012 8:01:38 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: Westbrook
I'm not sure that I would trust the structural integrity of a firearm made with a 3D printer. I have no doubt that it would be dimensionally accurate but only about as solid as pot metal, if that.
6 posted on 10/06/2012 8:03:05 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: marktwain

Color me highly skeptical.

While I don’t doubt that many parts can be printed out and even work, I very much doubt the receiver and barrel and other parts that must withstand the pressures of ignition will have the strength to do so. Just because something is in the right shape doesn’t mean it will have the physical characteristics needed.

Now when we get to the stage on personal nano-material assemblers it will be a different story...


7 posted on 10/06/2012 8:04:16 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: marktwain

Wired magazine had a cover story on 3D printers and plastic gun pieces are already showing up. Printing metal is already being done.

3D printing will be amazing, when it becomes cost effective for the masses. It will be even cooler as the speed increases. (FYI: Two public companies big in this space are DDD and SSYS)

I’m wondering if they will be outlawed... kinda like DAT recorders awhile back ago.


8 posted on 10/06/2012 8:06:47 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: al_c
3D printing .... oh how I hate that term. This is what has been known as rapid prototyping for years now.

Right up there with "font" instead of the correct word "typeface."

9 posted on 10/06/2012 8:09:03 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: al_c

Stereolithography or SLA since 1986


10 posted on 10/06/2012 8:12:42 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Colorado Doug
I have no doubt that it would be dimensionally accurate but only about as solid as pot metal, if that.

Probably good enough for a .22 revolver.

11 posted on 10/06/2012 8:29:31 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: Colorado Doug

Check out the pallette of available materials.

Stainless steel, titanium, scores of alloys.

Ability to strengthen the resulting parts by sintering, annealing, infusing them with bronze, heat treating, etc.


12 posted on 10/06/2012 8:54:15 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1355 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’d venture that current materials could use many of the less aggressive center fire rounds.

I’d also guess that parts can be beefed up to compensate for less robust materials.

And as long as I’m getting out to where the limb is starting to creak and groan, high enough strength materials will be available next year...


13 posted on 10/06/2012 9:01:10 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1355 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Sherman Logan

Just to let you know ... you don’t have to print in plastic or epoxy. There are “printers” aka rapid prototyping that work with metal. Also, the receiver in an AR platform does not really undergo that much stress. Barrel and chamber - yes. But the receiver, not so much.

What has the libs collective panties in a knot is that the “gun” (actually the receiver according to the ATF) can be owned and manufactured by anyone WITHOUT REGISTRATION. Their panic is that everyone could have a gun the the government does not know about!!!!


14 posted on 10/06/2012 9:16:10 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Republican1795.

Actually, there are MANY varieties of 3D printers now. You can buy one for under $2000., or buy a kit and build one yourself.

Heck, one, the RepRap, is capable of making all its’ own parts. All you need to add is hardware and electronics.

This isn’t so much NEW, as it is just popping up all over. . .


15 posted on 10/06/2012 9:22:56 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: marktwain

You can only “print” the low stress parts. Barrels and bolts, firing pins and springs must still be metal.


16 posted on 10/06/2012 9:44:06 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: al_c

” This is what has been known as rapid prototyping for years now.”

Yes. And no.

These 3D printers go well beyond producing prototypes, to facilitate the design process. They have become machines for custom, or small-production-run manufacturing. In a real sense, they are becoming replicators.

The article describes the key differences. Once the design of this printable gun was finalized (i.e. once the prototyping had been completed); the next step would be to distribute the design electronically. People would be able to download the data necessary to cause a new gun to be printed. People could share their designs far and wide.

Rapid prototyping shortened design cycles. 3D printing will completely change what we mean by “manufacturing”, and “distribution”.


17 posted on 10/06/2012 11:17:23 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

There’s metal printing out there. Here’s one example:

http://www.exone.com/materialization/what-is-digital-part-materialization/metal

There are AR barrels that are being made from 420 stainless, as well as other gun parts. Machines about as well or a bit less smoothly than 416 stainless, which is the most common grade of stainless for stainless rifle barrels. For receivers and bolts, there’s some other grades used - 17-4PH is one.

Springs are a hot area of research in “additive” machining. The issue that interests me the most in this area is how they handle the heat treatment. Spring steel has to be hardened, then tempered, to make an effective spring. The additive machining MechE’s are looking at this from a different angle - creating a spring that’s very different than what we’re used to.

Another place to look: There’s a company out of Germany called “EOS” who is making laser sintering machines that can make for-real metal parts that can handle some real stress - think “gears” and such.

http://www.eos.info/en/products/systems-equipment/metal-laser-sintering-systems.html

I think we will see a for-real 3D printed gun - barrel, receiver, pins, springs, the whole thing - within 5 to 8 years from now. The economic winds that are howling through the manufacturing sector are making “additive machining” the next revolution - and it will be a bigger revolution than CNC machining was, IMO.


18 posted on 10/07/2012 12:37:11 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I have no doubt that it would be dimensionally accurate but only about as solid as pot metal, if that.<<<

Probably good enough for a .22 revolver.
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Kids in the 1950s were making .22 zip guns using all kinds of materials. (Don’t ask me how I know)


19 posted on 10/07/2012 12:55:29 AM PDT by octex
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To: taxcontrol

Their panic is that everyone could have a gun the the government does not know about!!!!
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How funny! I’ve never had to “register” a gun and I’m sure people in States other than Texas haven’t either. ...It’s not the government’s business to possess such info, yet some States and Cities still require such documentation.


20 posted on 10/07/2012 1:10:25 AM PDT by octex
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To: marktwain

I posted this in your other thread, but it all reminds me of the hysteria surrounding “plastic guns” when Glock first started importation into the US.

Media generated hysteria with an agenda.


21 posted on 10/07/2012 2:11:04 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Colorado Doug; Sherman Logan
"I'm not sure that I would trust the structural integrity of a firearm made with a 3D printer. I have no doubt that it would be dimensionally accurate but only about as solid as pot metal, if that."

Actually, I "just" read a report on 3D printing yesterday (in either R&D or Machine Design) , and the state-of-the-art has improved hugely. Laser-sintered metal powder 3D printing produces parts that are STRONGER than cast. I was kinda shocked, because I try to follow that area and had no idea of that advance in capability.

22 posted on 10/07/2012 3:48:49 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Barrels and bolts, firing pins and springs must still be metal.

And not just any metal. High strength steel. Or a metal of equivalent strength.

23 posted on 10/07/2012 4:07:44 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: octex
How funny! I’ve never had to “register” a gun and I’m sure people in States other than Texas haven’t either. ...It’s not the government’s business to possess such info, yet some States and Cities still require such documentation.

NY requires a "valid pistol license" before one is "authorized" to own a hand gun, which must also be registered. Whenever anyone applies for a carry permit, they might not be "registering" their weapons, but they are certainly advertising to "authorities" that they have them.

24 posted on 10/07/2012 4:23:27 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: null and void

Wow! That’s impressive. The company I worked at had one back in ‘98. It was pretty awesome stuff back then but it sure didn’t have all those materials available. Thanks for informing me. Things can certainly change in . . . Wow! has it been 14 years?! I am getting old fast!


25 posted on 10/07/2012 7:23:25 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: NVDave

Maybe printing these will end all the hate ....:o)

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/glock1911.jpg

Stay safe....


26 posted on 10/08/2012 12:31:12 AM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Sherman Logan

Well, the metal needed is driven by the chamber pressures.

Shotguns have relatively low pressures - say, oh, 14,000 PSI to 17,000 PSI. Black powder shotguns need even less.

Pistol/revolver rounds might reach up into the mid-30K to 40K region (for the biggest Linebaugh or Freedom Arms type rounds). 25 to 30K for most centerfire pistol rounds is a good number.

Rifle rounds can be anywhere from the mid-40K region up to over 60K PSI, “maximum average pressure,” aka “MAP” to firearms testers and proof houses. Near 70K PSI in a rifle, you start blowing out primers and case heads start to come loose.

OK, so what does this mean?

It means that many steels will actually suffice to hold in those pressures. The steel used in the receivers of the Springfield ‘03, Garand and M14/M1A aren’t what we currently consider especially high-strength steels. If you want a representative AISI number, go look at the specs for 8620, which was the steel of choice for the Garand and M14. The ‘03 was similar strength, different steel.

Barrel steels were “ordnance steel,” which spoke more of the quality than the yield strength. Today, most “chrome moly” steel barrels are 4140 steel, “gun barrel quality,” which is the highest quality of that particular alloy. Basically, you don’t want inclusions and pockets in the steel. Stainless barrels are typically made from 416 stainless - but mostly because 416 machines nicely, not because it is especially corrosion resistant or high strength.

4140 alloy is pretty common stuff. If I had to pick only one steel in a survival situation, I think 4140 would be high on my list of “good stuff to have.” You can harden it, you can work it annealed or quenched & tempered back, you get good machineability, good welding properties... there’s a reason why it is so popular in so many applications.

Springs: Springs are typically made from much higher carbon steel than anything else on a gun. Whereas the barrels are made from 4140 (which is 0.40% carbon), spring stock is typically 0.70 to 0.95% carbon - much higher. Typical spring AISI numbers are 1070 or 1095 - plain carbon steels with high carbon contents. This isn’t complicated steel to come by, but the heat treating of a spring is the issue here. You have to heat it to about 1450+ F, then quench in oil, then re-heat to about 650F to temper it. Putting it into a pot of molten lead works, or a bath of molten saltpeter works well too - and blues the spring at the same time.

None of these are especially “high strength” as modern material science looks at it. To see what I mean, compare the yield strength of 4340 steel to 4140, and you’ll see a modern “high strength” steel.

Pins and screws: Screws are machined out of “screw stock,” which is relatively weak steel that machines really nicely - like 1215 or 12L14. Pins will be harder stuff - the 1070 above would work, altho a tool steel might be a better option.

The point being: None of the steels in a modern firearm need to be what we call “high strength” - they’re good, don’t get me wrong. But that’s all they are: good. They’re not some wonder steel.

And... if push came to shove and you had to go back to black powder, you can make firearms out of malleable iron - not steel. The first gen Colt SAA’s, some of the Winchester rifles, etc were made of malleable iron - which is why color case hardening was so popular back then. It was the only way to keep the malleable iron from denting and scratching...

Looking at the alloys being used by the laser sintering and the print-n-bake printing outfits, it appears that they have the steels necessary for the action/receiver and barrel already in use in 3D metal printing. This doesn’t surprise me, because MIM gun parts are working just fine and are probably made from the same types of powdered steels.

I have no doubt that they’ll be able to make an entire gun on a 3D printer in the near future. It’s coming - as soon as some gun nut with the appropriate background gets near one of these half-megabuck machines for a weekend, it’ll get done.


27 posted on 10/08/2012 1:32:06 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: octex

Ever fill out a Form 4474?
Chances are, your guns have been registered in a DB somewhere where the LEOs have “conveniently forgotten” that it’s illegal for them to do so — also, I wouldn’t put it past them to track ammo & reloading-related purchases as well.


28 posted on 10/08/2012 9:21:17 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: NVDave

Thanks for the highly informative post. I don’t know much about metallurgy and it’s always nice to learn from an expert.

Based on your description, I don’t see any way, for instance, to make a usable spring with the printing technique. It might be the right shape, but would it be heat treated and tempered so as to function properly? Not as I understand the process.


29 posted on 10/08/2012 1:35:40 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

They’re working on ways to make springs - they have different forms (much more complicated forms, in some instances - but they can do complexity easily in 3D printing), but they perform the same functions.

The problem in gun designs is that they’re very space-limited, and the current designs want either:

a) “flat” springs, such as you find inside a S&W revolver (eg, the mainspring), or in a side-by-side shotgun, or in older external hammer percussion cap rifles/shotguns. These are very easy for a trained gunsmith to make from flat spring stock.

b) “coil” springs, which gunsmiths make by winding music wire around a mandrel.

Both require high-carbon steel that has been hardened, then tempered.

The way they’re coming at it in 3D printing is to come up with complicated geometries that they can print, which, when put into a confinement tube or restricted in some volume way, turn lower hardness materials into suitable springs.

But even if you had to make springs, it’s easy. Really. Flat springs take some skill with a file and sometimes a hammer to forge them, but coil springs? Feh. Pud easy. Probably one of the easiest parts to make on a gun.


30 posted on 10/08/2012 2:05:50 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Probably good enough for a .22 revolver.

It's not .22 revolvers that they're afraid of.

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31 posted on 10/08/2012 7:06:41 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: OneWingedShark

Ever fill out a Form 4474?
Chances are, your guns have been registered in a DB somewhere where the LEOs have “conveniently forgotten” that it’s illegal for them to do so — also, I wouldn’t put it past them to track ammo & reloading-related purchases as well.
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My last gun purchase was in early 1980s. No forms to complete and no background checks here at that time.


32 posted on 10/08/2012 10:02:46 PM PDT by octex
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To: octex

Too bad about that canoeing accident.


33 posted on 10/09/2012 1:23:20 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1358 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Colorado Doug; All

This shows some 3D printing in impressive metals:

Additive Manufacturing using metals

http://3dprintingsystems.com/additive-manufacturing-using-metals/


34 posted on 11/10/2012 1:37:35 PM PST by marktwain
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