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Some in G.O.P. Choose to Return to Akinís Corner
The New York Times ^ | 10/6/12 | John Elgion

Posted on 10/07/2012 8:32:36 AM PDT by Haiku Guy

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — For establishment Republicans, it is decision time in the Missouri Senate race.

Should they return to Representative Todd Akin’s corner?

Many quickly withdrew their support for Mr. Akin weeks ago after his controversial comments about abortion and belief that victims of “legitimate rape” have a biological mechanism to fight off pregnancy, hoping to force him aside so another Republican candidate could battle the Democratic incumbent, Senator Claire McCaskill.

But Mr. Akin called their bluff. He stayed in the race, reckoning that election math would oblige them to stick with him.

Now, with Mr. Akin’s name legally bound to the ballot, the election approaching and new polling data presenting a clearer idea of his chances, Republicans are deliberating whether to renege on their reneging.

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To: donna

You want me to vote for Mitt and thus approve of 60,000,000 abortions? No.

You shouldn’t be willing to do it either.
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I’ve reached the point where I don’t want folks such as yourself to either vote for Romney or be associated with the Republican & conservative efforts to defeat Obama and his socialists. So please continue your jihad against the Republican presidential nominee (since you apparently have no comprehension that it’s not in the least bit effectual). I personally don’t want your support to sully the coming Republican/conservative victory. One has to be careful not to lay down with dogs at the risk of getting fleas.


51 posted on 10/07/2012 2:41:14 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: wardaddy
...as time has progressed we get less and less social conservatives

is it generational lag I wonder...

I would call it the effects of big brother indoctrination -both education system and mass media...

52 posted on 10/07/2012 2:52:24 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: SteveAustin
I agree. The GOP can’t embrace this guy now.

This guy could care less about their phony backstabbing warm embraces. But if they want the seat they best send some of that cold hard cash they are hoarding.

53 posted on 10/07/2012 2:54:41 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: House Atreides

Stuff a sock in it.


54 posted on 10/07/2012 2:58:26 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Livin_large

Thank you kindly. The PAC referenced in article https://2012.senateconservatives.com/
looks terrific!


55 posted on 10/07/2012 3:04:47 PM PDT by CreviceTool ( Obama is standing above the country above - above the world, he is sort of a God = Evan Thomas)
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To: mplsconservative

This is your fault. You compromised our values in order to win.

That is never a good plan.


56 posted on 10/07/2012 3:07:35 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Haiku Guy

Akin did not come, in any way, near saying “that women who get pregnant while being raped must have been asking for it”. Where in L did you get that idea? From McKaskle?


57 posted on 10/07/2012 3:32:02 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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To: House Atreides

Romney’s winning will not be a conservative victory. His winning will be at best a lower/slower tempo war waged by the left on personal freedom. Maybe just maybe we can, with a Romney win, get handcuffs on that monster called socialism and chop of it’s head.
Now do not leap to erroneous conclusions. While I am unable to gin up any at all enthusiasm for the Fabian socialist Romney I will be voting for him in preference over the village idiot Obama.
If Donna can not bring herself to vote for Romney then good for her. For me it was a razor edged decision and Romney gets the vote.
With this election it is the ones voting for Romney who risk getting fleas.


58 posted on 10/07/2012 3:52:21 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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To: Ron H.

Remember the good old days when there was a trending hot topic, and every post on the home page would be the same? I liked that much better, because a dominant event could crowd everything else out.


59 posted on 10/07/2012 4:32:35 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!)
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To: Ron H.

Remember the good old days when there was a trending hot topic, and every post on the home page would be the same? I liked that much better, because a dominant event could crowd everything else out.


60 posted on 10/07/2012 4:32:54 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!)
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To: Haiku Guy

“I have been posting here since 1999, and I was not aware that saying that women who get pregnant while being raped must have been asking for it was a social conservative position.”

Me neither. Stupid has no political limits, is what that statement showed.

Support Akin, but dont make the mistake of saying this comment wasnt a dumb one. If McCaskill does get re-elected, she can have that comment to thank for it.


61 posted on 10/07/2012 4:41:50 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: W. W. SMITH
Akin did not come, in any way, near saying “that women who get pregnant while being raped must have been asking for it”. Where in L did you get that idea? From McKaskle?

Yes, he kinda did say that.

He said "if you are a victim of legitamate rape, you can't get pregnant."

The logical extension of that is "If you get pregnant, you did not get legitimately raped"

I take "not legitamately raped" as "you made it up", "you changed your mind" or "YOU ASKED FOR IT"

62 posted on 10/07/2012 4:47:34 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: House Atreides; donna

People like Donna have simply chosen to abandon reason and be guided by impotent rage. Her position is so illogical that a Junior High School student could shoot holes through it.....but no concession to reality is forthcoming.

I detest Mitt Romney. Out of the 8 candidates running, he was my 9th choice. He is a pretty loathsome person. But I can also see that he will be much less damaging to the country - and the pro-life movement - than the reelection of Filth Obama. Any “conservative” who can’t see that is either extremely dimwitted or simply blinded by emotion.

Hank


63 posted on 10/07/2012 4:53:16 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Myth Romney is a vile Fabian Socialist - his opponent is infinitely worse. How did it come to this?)
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To: staytrue

He never said that. Akin never said pregnancy from rape *never* happens either. Akin supports harsh punishment for rapists.


64 posted on 10/07/2012 5:08:20 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: staytrue

MY MY you really don’t comprehend English do you?


65 posted on 10/07/2012 5:19:38 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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To: donna
This is your fault. You compromised our values in order to win.

That is never a good plan.

Oh, so it's MY fault Romney is the nominee. Thanks for clearing that up for me. My vote for Newt in my caucus was just a sham I guess.

Enjoy a second term of 0bama and see how far that gets your non-vote in the cause for life. I could blow a hole in your broadsides, sister, when it comes to caring about the life of the unborn. You just comfort yourself that you're 'right' and help 0bama sail to a second term.

66 posted on 10/07/2012 5:44:31 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: FlingWingFlyer

That was a pretty funny little post!


67 posted on 10/07/2012 5:47:32 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball; House Atreides

Look at the two of you attacking a conservative like me for trying to uphold conservative standards.

You’re are doing the work of the socialists for them. Shame on you.

“The correct action when presented with two evil choices is to refuse to grant democratic legitimacy to either one.”
- Vox Day


68 posted on 10/07/2012 5:48:14 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

You like to quote Vox Day, but you will give us four more years of 0bama. How does that make sense?


69 posted on 10/07/2012 5:56:35 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: donna
Look, I'm with you: no abortion for any reason. With today's technology it is not needed to save a mother's life even. And certainly in the case of rape the added scar of the abortion only compounds one egregious trauma against her person and psychological well-being with another. Abortion destroys women.

That said: If Obama wins a second term he'll have carte blanche license, unfettered by the restraints of accountability, to mandate abortions if he wants to. I do not need to lay out the devastation to our nation if that occurs.

Ultimately, a reasonable goal, sans any constitutional amendment recognizing the beginning of life as the end of the process of conception, is to move this issue back to the state level where it belongs. This, in turn, presents a more achievable goal for the pro-life movement, one it can wrap its arms around because it's at the local level. And the pro-life movement has always proven most effective at that level.

70 posted on 10/07/2012 6:00:19 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: mplsconservative

Mitt and Obama are the same man. Wake up.


71 posted on 10/07/2012 6:39:29 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Lexinom

What will Mitt do?


72 posted on 10/07/2012 6:40:38 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: CreviceTool

I agree. I thought he should quit. But if it makes sense and we can get him the cash he needs without hurting other candidates then we should get him the cash.


73 posted on 10/07/2012 6:41:10 PM PDT by PAR
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To: donna
Can we talk about the real problem? And that is you. If you don't like Mitt, I could care less, but get out of the way. The most important - THE most important thing is getting Obama out of office. You are incapable of understanding that.

We'll have to worry about everything else later. At the moment, please quit whining.

74 posted on 10/07/2012 6:53:32 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: Haiku Guy

You wrote much better than I was able to. I agree with you 100%.


75 posted on 10/07/2012 6:58:08 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: donna

Look at the two of you attacking a conservative like me for trying to uphold conservative standards.
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I, for one, am not convinced you are a true conservative. You’re “upholding conservative standards” in a fashion very similar to Obama’s supporters—at least in the intended effect.

You are not being helpful in the struggle against the statists—you’re being harmful IMHO.


76 posted on 10/07/2012 7:01:52 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: donna
Donna, It is not possible for you to have a robust intellectually honest reply, so your comment is, "Stuff a sock in it?"

That is perfect evidence your argument is weak and can't be supported by your emotional and one issue jihad.

Be honest with yourself. you are on the wrong side. Your stance is actually enabling more abortions.

77 posted on 10/07/2012 7:03:28 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: pollywog
BUT THANKFULLY he is a man of character and has stood back up and faced the RINOS!!!!!

Well hopefully he can defeat the Democrat ...

78 posted on 10/07/2012 7:08:50 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: donna
What will Obama do?

Take, "What will Obama do?" and subtract "What will Mitt do?". That goes you the difference.

To put it in numerical terms, Obama does -9 for the cause of life. Mitt might do 3. |-9 - 3| is 12.

That's the difference, in my poorly-constructed numerical analogy.

Think of all the children who will die when Obama cracks down on peaceful sidewalk counsellors, making that a federal crime. Would Mitt do that? You know the answer.

79 posted on 10/07/2012 7:13:06 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: WOSG
Me neither. Stupid has no political limits, is what that statement showed.

Perhaps it is also stupid to falsely attribute to Todd something he did not say.

Cordially,

80 posted on 10/07/2012 7:13:06 PM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: donna

Really? I mean really, 0bama and Romney are the same?

Defend that donna?


81 posted on 10/07/2012 7:16:57 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: donna
"The correct action when presented with two evil choices is to refuse to grant democratic legitimacy to either one."
- Vox Day

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"Take THAT, windmill!"
- Don Quixote

Hank

82 posted on 10/07/2012 7:43:14 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Myth Romney is a vile Fabian Socialist - his opponent is infinitely worse. How did it come to this?)
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To: Dave W; House Atreides; Lexinom; mplsconservative

Let’s find out how much you’re willing to take. When you sign on as pro-abortion, are you willing to back this, too?

“...gay couples raising kids. That’s the American way...”
-Mitt Romney

Romney: The Boy Scouts should admit homosexuals
8/7/2012
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2915967/posts

“I feel that all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.”
- Mitt Romney, 1994, former Boy Scouts of America National Executive Board member


83 posted on 10/07/2012 7:44:19 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Ron H.

Do you remember when a liberal used to post and get into arguments with freepers? I want to say his screen name had a b in it - maybe bill something. This was back in the mid to late 90’s if memory serves. Been a long time since liberals openly posted here.


84 posted on 10/07/2012 7:52:57 PM PDT by PAR
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To: Uncle Chip

Check this out Uncle Chip. The MO race will be an absolute nail bitter but anything and everything can happen between now and election eve. It is difficult for me to accept the National Republican Party’s treatment of Akin. The man is more conservative than Mitt Romney!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/07/missouri-senate-akin-mccaskill/1617179/?kjnd=wG9eYrVaQ4UGCFF0VqSUhm3tqqsCbnH5K8qLtrmBLUvGTuv5J4v3JX7n5+TI1TII-39b5d511-42a7-4386-8634-3713122d6a7e_hbCC/UdGNcpe3w6q9NHtx3en7erx05z4uTySrgJ1cci+VPnxU//kjLdZ2tzMHSOU


85 posted on 10/07/2012 7:59:01 PM PDT by katiedidit1 (Constitutionalist..period)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Haiku Guy.


86 posted on 10/07/2012 8:09:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ron H.

lol...next he will claim he was on the BBs with Jim Thompson...hell he gave him the idea to begin with in 90 or 91 or so is the next canard

anyone here changes their name it’s for a reason

and rarely a good one

I smell klown or wideawakes or pachyderm or some sort of other anti freeper skanked back in for the election

he/she/it is not alone...quite a few have come back


87 posted on 10/07/2012 10:38:17 PM PDT by wardaddy (my wife prays in the tanning bed....guess what region i live in...ya'll?)
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To: WOSG; Haiku Guy

““I have been posting here since 1999, and I was not aware that saying that women who get pregnant while being raped must have been asking for it was a social conservative position.”

What on earth? Akin said no such thing. He said conception was rare in the case of a ‘legitimate’ (he meant forcible, not ‘ok’) rape.

Never did he even imply that a raped woman asks for pregnancy. What a notion.

The controversy is that it sounded like he thought some rapes are legitimate. Of course that is not what he meant.


88 posted on 10/08/2012 12:47:57 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: donna

“Let’s find out how much you’re willing to take.”
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Donna, you’re meeting the classic definition of a troll—someone who tries to hijack a thread and make it about a different subject. In your case you’re attempting to take a thread about Todd Akin and make it into an anti-Romney and an “it’s all about me” thread. It’s not about you and your jihad against the Republican’s presidential nominee who’s running against Obama and, hopefully, about to defeat him. It’s about Todd Akin and his attempt to defeat a despicable Obama tool from Missouri.

If you were truly a conservative, you wouldn’t be here campaigning against the Republican presidential candidate, you’d be commenting to Todd Akin’s struggle against the despicable Claire McCaskill in Missouri. Better yet, you’d be volunteering to help Akin’s campaign and/or donating to it—or trying to encourage others to do so. You’d be trying to get another conservative Senator elected to the Senate.

Here’s a link to Todd Akin’s website. Why not go there and start to do something actually productive for the conservative cause. These are desperate times for our nation—you have not been helpful with your anti-Romney jihad.

http://www.akin.org/


89 posted on 10/08/2012 2:49:35 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Persevero

No. The implication is that if the woman becomes pregnant, the rape was not forcible. The rape is the “it” she was asking for, not the pregnancy.

Given that the War on Women is the only arrow left in the Democrat’s quiiver, this was a really, really (really-really-really) stupid thing to say.

It was this stupid statement that required the GOP to build a firewall around this guy to protect the rest of the party. This strategy is working very well, and the Democrat’s War on Women attacks have been ineffective.

And now it looks like Akin might actually win. Better still...

But if the National GOP had embraced Akin, they oould have lost it all, including the Missouri Senate Seat. We’re The Stupid Party, but we’re not that stupid.


90 posted on 10/08/2012 6:56:00 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!)
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To: CreviceTool

I just donated $75.00. $25.00 to Akin and $50.00 to be allocated as needed by the PAC.

Every little bit helps.


91 posted on 10/08/2012 11:03:01 AM PDT by Livin_large
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To: Haiku Guy

Obviously I disagree. The Senator does not believe, nor do any previous statements or actions support, the notion that if a women gets pregnant from a rape it is not really rape. I have been active in the pro-life movement for 25 years and have never heard the merest hint from the most solid pro-lifer of such a position. That is ridiculous, and I wouldn’t accuse even the most nutty Senator of such a position.

The word “legitimate” was the wrong word choice. It should have been “forcible” or “violent,” which would have been much clearer. Because you get pregnant from statutory rape as easily as from consensual sex; but not from forcible rape. This is a matter of statistics, not opinion.


92 posted on 10/08/2012 11:03:22 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

You really don’t know when to stop digging. That is why the GOP had to build a firewall around you.

So is it your position that if a woman becomes pregnant as a result of rape, the rape could not have been forcible? You really want to bet the farm on that proposition?


93 posted on 10/08/2012 2:57:12 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!)
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To: Haiku Guy

“So is it your position that if a woman becomes pregnant as a result of rape, the rape could not have been forcible?”

No. But conception as a result of forcible rape is far less common than conception as a result of consensual sex. That’s all.

It’s just a medical fact. See Dr. Hilger’s comments if you don’t want to listen to mine, the subject of the following thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2924263/posts


94 posted on 10/08/2012 4:38:26 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: House Atreides
It’s not about you and your jihad

You are mouthing the anti-Christian cant of the gay lobby and pro-abortion groups.

You cannot claim to be conservative without traditional values.

95 posted on 10/08/2012 5:47:46 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Persevero

So, less common, but still quite possible... right?

So, how the issue of the relative frequency of conception for forcible and non-forcible rape at all relevant from a public policy point of view? Which is to say, why is it something that a Senatorial candidate should be commenting on?

After all, if a pregnancy can result from forcible rape, it doesn’t matter, from a public policy point of view, if the rape is forcible, statutory, “legitimate” or any other type of rape you can imagine.


96 posted on 10/08/2012 6:24:51 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!)
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To: Haiku Guy

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/akin-2008-terrorist-doctors-abortions-women-not-actually-151341887—election.html

Missouri Rep. Todd Akin—who sparked a firestorm of criticism with his comments about “legitimate rape” in August—gave a speech on the House floor in 2008 in which he called those who perform abortions “terrorists” and claimed some do so on “women who are not actually pregnant.”

“It is no big surprise that we fight the terrorists because they are fundamentally un-American, and yet we have terrorists in our own culture called abortionists,” Akin said in the Jan. 22, 2008, speech. “One of the good pieces of news why we are winning this war is because there are not enough heartless doctors being graduated from medical schools. There is a real shortage of abortionists.

“Who wants to be at the very bottom of the food chain of medical profession?” Akin continued. “And what sort of places do these bottom-of-the-food-chain doctors work in? Places that are really a pit. You find that along with the culture of death go all kinds of other law-breaking: not following good sanitary procedure, giving abortions to women who are not actually pregnant, cheating on taxes, all these kinds of things, misuse of anesthetics so that people die or almost die.”


97 posted on 10/08/2012 8:48:33 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Haiku Guy

“So, less common, but still quite possible... right?”

Yes, of course it is still possible, and people result from the act of rape. Oprah Winfrey was fathered by a rapist as a matter of fact.

I can’t really speak to whether Akin should have commented on it. He was probably asked a question, I don’t know, and maybe he should have demurred.

The point is he was not defending the act of rape in ANY way, and FReepers of all people should not be acting as though he did.

Akin is an excellent conservative and deserves our support.


98 posted on 10/08/2012 10:03:22 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero
Akin is an excellent conservative and deserves our support.

Akin has my support. It was just necessary for the GOP to firewall him, to preserve the electoral prospects of the rest of the party. This strategy has been working. The War on Women theme is attack is dead letter.

And, best of all, Akin might actually win his race!

99 posted on 10/09/2012 3:29:46 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!)
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