Skip to comments.Despite disapproval of Romney's faith, many evangelicals say that won't affect their vote
Posted on 10/07/2012 10:09:24 AM PDT by barmag25
Chattanooga-area evangelical church pastors may believe the Mormon faith is a cult and may not consider Gov. Mitt Romney a Christian, but they said that won't stop them from considering a vote for him in next month's presidential election.
More than eight in 10 voters in a Pew Forum poll this summer said they were comfortable with the Republican nominee's faith or it didn't matter to them. Nineteen percent said they were uncomfortable with his faith.
"We are electing a president, not a pastor," said Tim Shoap, co-pastor of Signal Mountain Bible Church. "I want the best and most effective leader we can get, [one] who will represent the interests of the people and the country in keeping with the original intent of the Constitution. For me, that makes the Mormon issue largely irrelevant."
While members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints consider themselves Christians, several local evangelical pastors do not.
"Mormonism is a cult," said Jeremy Roberts, pastor of Highland Park Baptist Church. "Mormons are polytheistic universalists who deny that Jesus is the eternal son of God."
However, he said he would base his vote on "policy, leadership skills and who I perceive will most likely lead the country in the direction I believe is best."
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Good for him, I don’t care.
The choice of VP has always been viewed as a means of securing more electoral votes, a way to shore up perceived weaknesses.
One look at Romney’s choice tells anyone willing to see, that the concern does not lie with southern Protestants.
To suggest that Romney and Obama are exactly the same is more than delusional.
1994 Campaign vs. Ted Kennedy for U.S. Senate: Romney pledged he will provide more effective leadership than Kennedy on homosexual rights; endorsed by Log Cabin Republicans.
2001 Called first citizens’ petition to define marriage too extreme and bigoted because it banned civil unions.
2002 Campaign for Governor: Romney makes promises to GLBT community, according to leading Boston homosexual newspaper; endorsed by homosexual activist Log Cabin Republicans.
Nov. 18, 2003 Romney responds to SJC ruling with four-sentence statement implicitly recognizing SJCs authority, says only remedy will be a constitutional amendment: I disagree with the Supreme Judicial Court. Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman. I will support an amendment to the Massachusetts Constitution to make that expressly clear. Of course, we must provide basic civil rights and appropriate benefits to nontraditional couples.
Jan. 2004 Romney silent on proposal to remove four SJC justices through Bill of Address (put forward by Article 8 Alliance / MassResistance).
Feb. 2004 Massachusetts. Suggests other states strengthen marriage statutes and pass constitutional amendments. Says dont attack gays, singles or non-traditional couples.
Feb. 2004 Justices of the Peace are told by their professional association they will be able to claim conscientious objector status and refuse to perform same-sex marriages — though this was never agreed to by Romney administration.
Feb.-May 2004 Pro-family leaders and columnists urge Romney to defy court, and issue Executive Order to block same-sex marriage; no public comment from Romney.
March 12, 2004 As Legislature postures on constitutional amendments, Romney continues to say amendment to Mass. Constitution is solution.
March 26, 2004 Word leaks out that Romneys Dept. of Public Health (DPH) and attorneys are planning training sessions for Town Clerks and preparing same-sex marriage licenses.
March 29, 2004 Romney tells Republicans in Mass. legislature to vote for Travaglini-Lees compromise amendment which would ban same-sex marriage but establish civil unions (and would not go to voters before Nov. 2006). Republican legislators had earlier opposed this amendment because of the civil unions clause, and it passed only due to their changed votes.
March 29-31, 2004 Romney seeks stay of SJC ruling until constitutional amendment issue is settled, but Atty. General Reilly refuses to take Governors case before SJC.
March 30, 2004 Romney says hell abide by the law of the land as it exists on May 17 and says he would not order town clerks to defy court edict. Romney says hed not explored the Constitution section giving him power over causes of marriage and whether it gives him any legal power to stop same-sex marriage (according to spokesman).
April 12, 2004 Romney spokesman says training sessions for town clerks will begin with plenty of room to spare before May 17. Ron Crews of Mass. Coalition for Marriage states hope for an Executive Order to halt the marriages.
April 15, 2004 Romneys DPH Registrar of Vital Records informs town clerks by letter of training sessions before SJC ruling becomes effective.
April 16, 2004 Romney announces his administration is scheduling training sessions for May 5-12 with licenses changed from husband/wife to Party A/Party B.
April 17, 2004 Mass. Dept. of Revenue (under Romney) declares SJC ruling the new law.
April 22, 2004 Romney does not comment on Rep. Goguen’s filing of Bill of Address for Article 8 Alliance/MassResistance to remove the 4 SJC judges, or Article 8s revelation of Chief Justice Marshalls violations of the Code of Judicial Conduct. (Marshall had appeared as keynote speaker at homosexual advocacy group dinner in 1999 advocated extension of rights for homosexuals, and failed to recuse herself from ruling on same-sex marriage though she had publicly expressed her bias.)
April 26, 2004 Romneys chief Legal Counsel, Daniel Winslow, issues directive to Justices of the Peace to resign (or be fired, fined, or sued) if they are unwilling to perform same-sex marriages (exact date not given on document).
May 5-12, 2004 Town clerk training sessions held. [GLAD Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders, they were responsible for content.
May 15, 2004 Romney issues proclamation: May 15 is Gay/Straight Youth Pride Day. Romneys Governors Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth events include parade, GLBT activism (with prominent transsexual radical activists), and a GLBT prom two days before same-sex marriages are to begin.
May 17, 2004 Same-sex marriages begin across Massachusetts. Romney issues brief statement: All along, I have said an issue as fundamental to society as the definition of marriage should be decided by the people. Until then, I intend to follow the law and expect others to do the same.
May 18, 2004 Romney begins enforcement of section of marriage statute banning out-of-state couples marrying in Mass. if that marriage would be illegal in their home state, while other intact sections of the marriage statute are ignored.
Dec. 2004 Romney has no comment on bills filed by Article 8 Alliance / MassResistance for 2005-6 session: to remove four SJC judges; strengthen definition of marriage in statute; and declare same-sex marriages since May 17, 2004 null/void and without statutory basis.
Feb. 21, 2005 Romney makes speech before South Carolina Republicans, then is accused of flip-flopping on civil unions by homosexual lobby. Romney also negatively refers to demands by the homosexual activists that birth certificates be changed to read Parent A/Parent B (instead of father/mother), arguing he had no authority to make such a change. Although he did change marriage licenses.
June 16, 2005 Romney joins VoteOnMarriage (VOM) amendment effort, which would recognize same-sex marriages prior to amendment taking effect, and not ban civil unions. Romney says hes opposed to removing the four SJC judges.
Calls for a high degree of respect and tolerance for people whose lifestyle and choices and orientation is as they may choose.
Jan. 2, 2006 Boston Globe reports Romney issued special Governors ceremonial marriage licenses to 189 same-sex couples in 2005 (including to homosexual activist state senator).
March 10-14, 2006 Romney says laws require Catholic Charities not to discriminate against same-sex parents in its adoption placements. He says same-sex couples have “a legitimate interest” in adopting children.
Sept. 30, 2006 Romney says he has to follow the law, and accept Mass. Superior Court ruling stating Rhode Island lesbian couple can marry in Massachusetts.
1994 till present Romney supports homosexuals in the Boy Scouts.
Dec 11, 2011 Romney announced homosexuals should be permitted to serve openly in the military.
“And I am voting for a president of the nation NOT my pastor. O is a clear and present danger to our nation. He MUST be defeated.”
It’s this fear mongering that is really going to bite you in the butt if Obama wins. I’ve got bad news for you. Romney is as big a liar and degenerate as Barack Obama. And, while that ordinarily wouldn’t be a problem, he doesn’t have a real economic plan for the deficit. His plan is based on the premise that, magically, we will have 4 to 5 percent growth in the economy, even though all growth in the GDP over the past 30 years has been in SPENDING. Even Ryan’s plan promises to “balance the budget” in 30 years based on the assumption of 5 percent growth and 2 point something percent unemployment, something we’ve never seen in the history of the country. By the way, his second budget plan was a gimmick, as all he did was move the money from medicare into something else. IOW, the Republicans are betting on “growing” us out of debt, without making the painful cuts that are needed to keep us from being sucked into the black hole that the Europeeons are currently falling into as well.
We have no leadership, we have only people with nice smiles who, because of ambition, are willing to lie and scheme and destroy JUST so they can have a meaningless title and power that they will not even use properly.
But you say, “We HAVE to stop O!” But, O has already won, because his stated goal was to turn us into Europe, remember? And what do we have in Europe? We have far left and we have the left, and even the “far right” are actually just far leftists who happen to disagree on the finer points of socialism.
With Mitt Romney and the GOPe cementing their power in the party, guess what we are now? Yes, that’s right. Welcome to Europe. We’re living in it.
What will happen next is simple. We are going to play these political games, and either this year (if Republicans are lucky) or next year (if they’re not) the economy is going to collapse, and we’ll probably even witness a world war triggered in the middle east or by China, since they’re collapsing too, but less publicly than us.
I recommend stocking up on food and ammo.
“Mormonism teaches that baptism by water is a necessary ordinance for people to return to God their Heavenly Father. Mormons assert that the ordinance must be performed in the proper way and with the authority of Christ’s priesthood.”
Many people have died without receiving a valid baptism, and they cannot undergo this precious ritual as mere spirits. “Because all on the earth do not have the opportunity to accept the gospel during mortality, the Lord has authorized baptisms performed by proxy for the dead. Therefore, those who accept the gospel in the spirit world may qualify for entrance into God’s kingdom”.
One thing that should be made perfectly clear about Mormon baptisms for the dead is that each deceased soul has the personal choice to accept or reject it. There is nothing in Mormonism that states that the person who is being baptized by proxy must accept this ordinance; he or she is simply given the opportunity to choose.
Romney went on an lds mission for three years, and because of this lds mission received draft deferments and never served in the military.
Your Commission to Teach the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ
.......Many of these people are searching for purpose in
......You are called to represent Jesus Christ in helping people become clean from their sins.
You do this by inviting them to come unto Jesus Christ and become converted to His restored gospel.
Full pdf can be found at lds.org
“Cult-Schmult I could care less. Every Mormon I ever met was clean cut and pleasant. Ill take Mormons over Marxists any day.”
It’s “I couldn’t care less.” I could care less means you care to a certain extent and could care an unspecified amount of “less” than that.
I’ve never met a Temple Worthy Mormon who was not incredibly deceptive about what his religion teaches. Only occasionally have they ever embraced the whole “we will become gods,” and Christianity is the whore of babylon. And that they did only when given direct evidence that that is what their church teaches.
Mormonism is a deceptive and materialistic religion that measures personal righteousness with appearance, wealth and power. Every Mormon I have ever debated with has told me that, as a Christian, I am inferior in that I don’t know my own religion and that Mormons have superior scholarship. Meanwhile, there exists absolute evidence that Mormonism is a fraud, for example the Book of Abraham, which Smith translated from papyri he purchased from a traveling Mummy show which were examined by real Egyptologists back in the 60s.
It is for reasons like this that I can barely tolerate anyone who apologizes for such an absurd and evil religion in the name of politics.
Now, as applied to politics, I’d probably be more graceful to Glenn Beck had he been running for the Presidency. But Mitt Romney, who has held leadership positions in his “church,” literally behaves just like the LDS always has. They are masters of revisionist history, and Mitt is the same. We even saw that in the debate, where, if you recall, in the primaries he specifically promised cutting taxes for all, including on the eeeevil “one percent.” And in the debate, he specifically said he wasn’t lowering taxes for them at all. Completely different message! And just one example of thousands of changes... just like the LDS, which has edited their own holy book over 3,000 times!
That is why I find him so intolerable. He is corrupt and deceptive, and I cannot support him under any condition.
You do care, as I explained before, you care about what other people believe, so the questions still remains, “why don’t you care what Romney believes?”
I posted the time line and a bunch of other stuff.
That was not the question at hand. The questioner asked to be provided with proof Romney supported abortion, I did.
The question was not about obama and his position.
they look great !!!
There is no one my ballot in California running for president whom I would vote for.
I can't resist. Would you be happy if he were a Satanist?
Romney's faith doesn't matter to me. His history of liberalism, though, shows he's far from the ideal candidate. I get that he's not Baraq.
So does obama, would you clarify what you mean by ‘faith’?
Because he hasn’t flown planes into buildings.
All you have to do is read my posts.
No Mormon has ever done enything to me aside from be nice to me.
His belief system may bother you, but it doesn’t bother me.
You will just have to find a way to deal with that.
That is not the question at hand.
You stated you did not care what people believe, I said that was untrue based on your posts and explained why I thought that based on your posts.
So the question remains: why don’t you care what Romney believes but do care based on your posts what other people beleive?
I am not bothered by Romney’s belief in the temporal but I am grieved by his beliefs in the spiritual.
Sorry, I will never get over that.
I feel sorry for you in your blind hatred of Romney. I don’t know what else to call it. You hate him more than you love your country, regardless of what you tell yourself.
I just love your ability to mind read and your interpretation of the truth of a persons political record as hate.
How do you do that? A peep stone, a crystal ball, a divining rod.....how?
“The Muslims I have spoken with, at least over the internet, have threatened to behead me during the End Times. I dont know about you, but I can respect that honesty.”
You respect these filthy bastards that have killed our military men and women, killed thousands of our fellow Americans at the WTC, bombed the USS Cole, killed our Navy Seals and our Ambassador because they were honest about it? We should respect them? I bet you thought Hitler and deserved our respect as well.
You made your intentions clear when you signed up here that it would be better to have Obama as President.
You bastard trolls will stop at nothing to promote your commie agenda. I guess that’s why you’re liberals. Your desperation is very telling.
I hope your next zot is permanent, OBot.
“You respect these filthy bastards that have killed our military men and women, killed thousands of our fellow Americans at the WTC, bombed the USS Cole, killed our Navy Seals and our Ambassador because they were honest about it? We should respect them? I bet you thought Hitler and deserved our respect as well.
You made your intentions clear when you signed up here that it would be better to have Obama as President.
You bastard trolls will stop at nothing to promote your commie agenda. I guess thats why youre liberals. Your desperation is very telling.
I hope your next zot is permanent, OBot.”
Take a pill, MittBot. I think your Hate of me for disagreeing with your Messiah is getting to your head.
You are so right. I remember Christians having stars in their eyes about Jimmy Carter and how he was a Sunday School teacher and a born-again Christian. He was a crappy President and a full-on enemy of Israel. It’s a HUGE, HUGE mistake to think that the religious affiliation of someone determines how they will govern, both morally and secularly. I mean, have you (or anybody) never been cheated or maligned or betrayed by someone claiming to be a Christian? Why is it that Christians are so easily fooled when it comes to politicians claiming to be Christian?
You really do not care what Mittens believes, since Mitt does not believe in much of anything, though he does habitually lean left.
Not only is Mittens better than Obama, he’s going to be the better Obama, except now he has you guys covering for him. Down goes our credibility for 2016 and the long term future of this country. Well, assuming we even make it that far.
Here is the current pResident telling us of his faith.
You are obsolete. The efforts to get rid of Obama continue without you. While you sit on your thumb and rotate. When Romney disposes of Obama even you will smile, even you will benefit, not that you will ever admit it. Crazy people never do
That’s too bad, and there is no question at hand.
As I stated, you will have to find a way to deal with the fact that I am over it. Whether or not you are satisfied with the reasons I have given or not is not particularly relevent to me.
Mr. Romney seems just fine with his spiritual beliefs, and I am quite certain that he does not need your approval.
No Obot, I just find your muslim ass kissing disgusting.
Better a Mormon than a Muslim.
Well, I’ll tell you this.
I like Mitt Romney a lot more than I like you.
You win the prize this week......people who do not support Romney are
must be zotted
“Well, Ill tell you this.
I like Mitt Romney a lot more than I like you.”
It’s because I don’t tell you lies.
As you are about Romney?
Whatever you say, Mr. Gibbs.
I guess you missed his post, fool.
“No Obot, I just find your muslim ass kissing disgusting.”
I find your denial of Christianity by defending Mormonism, and your denial of all values and principles by refusing to even defend Mitt Romney from the accusations traditionally made against him, to be quite disgusting.
Let me know when you find a magic way to explain how Mitt Romney isn’t a confirmed progressive liar.
Or Wiccan,Atheist or I would say a Unitarian.
You have made your choice, you are correct, you do not need my approval, what every that choice is.
I will say it again: it is the eternal choices that grieve me, whether it’s your’s or Romney’s or anyone one else’s.
My spirit is grieve when people do not choose the path of God Almighty, but that choice is yours and yours alone.
I defend Israel, our military and all the other Americans against your assertion that the muslims should be respected because they are honest about killing us.
You can kiss my ass, Obot.
Are you going for a bigger prize as you have added: fool.
So you agree with RC that the muslims deserve respect because they are honest about their intentions to behead you? Apparently you do or you wouldn’t have gone to such great lengths to defend his/her post.
“I defend Israel, our military and all the other Americans against your assertion that the muslims should be respected because they are honest about killing us.
You can kiss my ass, Obot”
Here is a summary of your posts, your hate and this thread, unfortunately:
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
If, in the years that Romney was governor of Massachusetts, he had had any pro-Mormon bias in his appointments or in any other way, we would have heard all about it.
Your liberal interpretation is underwhelming. Thanks for playing OBot.
She doesn’t care if we do get Hugo Chavez. All she cares about is that a Mormon doesn’t sit in the White House.
“If, in the years that Romney was governor of Massachusetts, he had had any pro-Mormon bias in his appointments or in any other way, we would have heard all about it.”
Well, I guess that’s the problem! How many of those appointments weren’t pro-abortion, pro-gay agenda, or otherwise freaks and creeps? But, then again, Mitt says the LDS is not pro-life, that many of its leaders are “pro-choice, but are against abortion.”
So what? That was the policy put into place by the U.S. government. It’s kind of like complaining when someone writes off a perfectly legal business expense on their tax return. If you don’t like the rule, complain to the people who made it. In this case, you’re about 40 years too late. But nice try.
“Your liberal interpretation is underwhelming. Thanks for playing OBot.”
You attack me on every thread, but I’m still waiting, MittBot, for you to explain one false thing I’ve ever written about Mittens. That’s an open challenge I’ve been putting out there for awhile, but no one is biting. You worry more about who I am and what I believe, than you ever have for the guy you are bullying everyone into supporting. I’ll stand on the facts, and I will not pimp my religion or my vote to make you happy Mr. Keyboard Commando.
You know whose feet we need to hold to the fire? Every stinkin’ “Republican” in the House and Senate, that’s who. If they’re wishy-washy with Romney as President, then is it up to HIM to straighten up their thinking and make them all good little conservatives?
(Not picking on you! I’m just more fed up with people like Boehner, Cantor, McCain, etc. They’ve shown very little backbone with Obama, in spite of what the Democrat propaganda says.)