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Rampant recycling fraud is draining California cash [They built it]
Las Angeles Times ^ | October 7, 2012 | Jessica Garrison

Posted on 10/07/2012 1:56:25 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Just over 8.5 billion recyclable cans were sold in California last year. The number redeemed for a nickel under California's recycling law: 8.3 billion.

That's a return rate of nearly 100%.

That kind of success isn't just impressive, it's unbelievable. But the recycling rate for certain plastic containers was even higher: 104%.

California's generous recycling redemption program has led to rampant fraud. Crafty entrepreneurs are driving semi-trailers full of cans from Nevada or Arizona, which don't have deposit laws, across the border and transforming their cargo into truckfuls of nickels. In addition, recyclers inside the state are claiming redemptions for the same containers several times over, or for containers that never existed.

The illicit trade is draining the state's $1.1-billion recycling fund. Government officials recently estimated the fraud at $40 million a year, and an industry expert said it could exceed $200 million. It's one reason the strapped fund paid out $100 million more in expenses last year than it took in from deposits and other sources.

"The law says California has to make it easy to recycle … so anyone with a devious mind, it's so easy, they can just go right in," said Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy Dave Chapman, who has investigated fraud rings in recent months.

Under the state's 25-year-old recycling law, California charges consumers a deposit on most beverage containers sold within its borders. Anyone who brings empty containers back to one of about 2,300 privately run recycling centers can collect 5 cents for most cans and bottles and 10 cents for larger containers.

Only products sold in California are eligible. But a can is a can — and many recycling centers in California aren't that interested in where they come from.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: environment; green; nannystate; recycle
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1 posted on 10/07/2012 1:56:34 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I always wonder about these programs. IF they actually recycle a can or a bottle, what does it cost to do it?

I don’t recycle anything.......


2 posted on 10/07/2012 2:02:03 PM PDT by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

When government hands out money, this is what happens


3 posted on 10/07/2012 2:03:46 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: basil

It’s quite a story...... and then,

“This year, CalRecycle has removed 19 recycling centers from the program and launched reviews of 256 others.”


4 posted on 10/07/2012 2:04:00 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: basil

Apparently can recycling makes SOME economic sense but when government hands out cash, people are going to cheat


5 posted on 10/07/2012 2:06:03 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

For God’s sake...Government get the heck out of our hair! All you can do is screw up anything you touch. Tin cans, low flow toilets and spotted owls all have proved to be a disaster along with free food, free education and free anything. Big Government GO AWAY!


6 posted on 10/07/2012 2:08:22 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: GeronL
When government hands out money, this is what happens

Exactly!

Oh, and don't forget to put your recycle box at the curb.

In Great Britian: ....."Cornwall's verdant lanes are now becoming better known for being littered with an assortment of multi-coloured rubbish bags as the council forces residents to separate recycling into six different containers.

Richard Madeley, who has a holiday home in the area, said the system is causing his beloved corner of the county to become a "disgrace".

The television presenter is one of 250,000 households forced to laboriously separate paper into blue bags, cardboard into orange sacks, glass into a black plastic box, plastics and tin into a red bag and garden waste into a brown wheelie bin - not forgetting the black bag for ‘non-recyclable’ waste.

The 56-year-old said: "It is really awful to see all these coloured bags and boxes littering our countryside.”

Cornwall Council is just the latest local authority to introduce more separate bin collections, with some providing residents with up to nine bins, including a slop bucket for food waste, in order to boost EU-imposed recycling targets. ...."

7 posted on 10/07/2012 2:12:04 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Don Corleone
........Big Government GO AWAY!

Right. There is NO FREE LUNCH - only federal hooks in your hide (and you pay for them).

8 posted on 10/07/2012 2:13:43 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Leftwing Fascism was such a stupid choice


9 posted on 10/07/2012 2:14:15 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I live in Tennessee where there is no beverage container deposit. However many products sold here are labeled CA CRV—the California refund code—and 5 CENTS REFUND CT,VT,ME,MA,OR,IA,NY, [10 CENTS MI] [10 CENTS NV].
10 posted on 10/07/2012 2:14:27 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bahiyah at 12:31 PM October 7, 2012
The only solution is to make recycling uniform across the land in all States. Then we’ll get truck loads of trash comming from Mexico for trade into cash.


From the comments........................


11 posted on 10/07/2012 2:16:49 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is nothing new...on an episode of Seinfeld, Newman & Cramer borrowed a US Postal van to take a truck-load of 5 cent New York cans to Michigan to collect 10 cents apiece that Michigan pays for returns!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1blsZxXDCU


12 posted on 10/07/2012 2:17:52 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Minutemen

I remember that, lol.

I bet there are people who try that on a bigger scale


13 posted on 10/07/2012 2:19:28 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Minutemen

How long until this is deemed a felony?


14 posted on 10/07/2012 2:21:53 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Minutemen

How long until this is deemed a felony?


15 posted on 10/07/2012 2:21:59 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What government program that spends taxpayers money buying something is not just rife with fraud but ripe for it? Zero, zilch, none.

And today, is there any reason for government recycling, if, “used” plastics and aluminum ARE economically efficient for container makers to use? And if so, then isn’t it worth it for commercial recyclers to buy it, themselves, and wouldn’t they do a better job than the government at insuring THEY were not defrauded.

What is it that government takers of the used platic and aluminum do? Don’t they just sell it to the actual industrial users of it?

Why not let the packaging industry run the “recycling” programs, offering their own rewards for used plastic and aluminum - and get the government and taxes out of it.


16 posted on 10/07/2012 2:24:07 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Red in Blue PA

Newman is probably already in prison for his postal felony...LOL


17 posted on 10/07/2012 2:24:24 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Red in Blue PA

To help identify people bringing cans into California, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a law last month that will require those importing more than 25 pounds of aluminum or plastic or 250 pounds of glass to declare at the border what their purpose is and the source and destination of the material.


18 posted on 10/07/2012 2:25:39 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We have a couple who moved here from California and they save cans and when they visit California it pays for their trip.


19 posted on 10/07/2012 2:26:57 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Kramer and Newman at it again?


20 posted on 10/07/2012 2:30:05 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Red in Blue PA
-- How long until this is deemed a felony? --

In California, four hundred dollars.

21 posted on 10/07/2012 2:31:13 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: basil

I don’t recycle anything.......
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I did.

The garbage guys became such jack-azz garbage Nazis that I finally quit.

They would pick through throwing stuff into the yard that they didn’t like.

The recycle game got so bad that I started feeling like Bill Murray in Caddyshack.


22 posted on 10/07/2012 2:31:13 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Suckers!


23 posted on 10/07/2012 2:48:06 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks for all the good articles you post. :)


24 posted on 10/07/2012 2:48:38 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: basil
I don’t recycle anything.......
I recycle. I throw everything in the garbage can, then the homeless come around on pick-up night, sort it and take what they want and never leave a mess.

BTW, recyclying glass is another joke. I replaced some aluminum framed windows and called a few recyclers about taking the glass seperate from the aluminum...FREE. No one would take it, they ONLY take glass bottles with redemption value.

25 posted on 10/07/2012 2:50:22 PM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I am all for recycling programs if they’re done well. I have relatives in southern Germany who recycle as much as they can.... why? Because the regular household trash is billed for removal by weight, their trash receptacle actually has a built in scale. Makes sense to me... no refuse tax, only a fee for use.


26 posted on 10/07/2012 2:51:56 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sigh... tax the rat farms.


27 posted on 10/07/2012 2:52:19 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

When I lived on base at Travis AFB I ignored the recycling rules and got a letter from base commander. Apparently one of the garbage nazi’s (a local civilian contractor) ratted me out for having beer bottles mixed in my trash. He heard them rattling in the bin and dug around and found them. I refused to use that little pos plastic bin, instead I wrapped each wine (we lived close to Napa) and beer bottle in newspaper and continued to use the big bin. Never got caught again.


28 posted on 10/07/2012 2:55:09 PM PDT by strongbow
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To: Wuli
Why not let the packaging industry run the “recycling” programs, offering their own rewards for used plastic and aluminum - and get the government and taxes out of it.

Because it is not profitable. It costs the taxpayers a lot of money to recycle. Of course, it also creates plenty of government union jobs, which help funnel money to get Democrats elected.

29 posted on 10/07/2012 3:08:52 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Romney vs Obama, Round One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyNxHOZiQPA)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“.....in order to boost EU-imposed recycling targets. ....”

and should we continue on this road to Leftist Hell it would be to boost the UN-imposed recycling targets.

All this Leftist crap has to be stopped cold.


30 posted on 10/07/2012 3:11:52 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Recycling works in our town. The city provides every resident with a large 40+ gallon trashcan on wheels and everything recyclable gets thrown in -- cans, bottles, paper, glass, plastic all mixed together -- no sorting.

It gets wheeled out to the curb when full and/or once a week and trashmen dump it all in their truck and they sort it out at their facility.

Garbage and non-recyclables go in a trashbag and are picked up and disposed of separately. Two trash pickups a week are now down to one and could be every two weeks. Trash company makes money from the recyclables and that keeps the rates down.

It works.

31 posted on 10/07/2012 3:14:49 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

We have a similar system here where I live. We don’t have to separate anything - we just throw all recyclables into a 50gal wheeled bin that is provided to each house in addition to the wheeled trash container. The recyclables are sorted by hand when the pick up trucks get to the waste facility. It provides unskilled jobs and more than pays for itself. The fact that it is such a simple system means that compliance is very high. It’s a win / win. The more simple the system, the better the results.

Privatizing the CA system would fix it all. Gov’t attempting to make a share of the profits has a way of screwing everything up.


32 posted on 10/07/2012 3:21:42 PM PDT by RobertClark (Be prepared, be polite, be professional and have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: tiki

Where ever the heck here is.


33 posted on 10/07/2012 3:22:28 PM PDT by wita
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I am as always skeptical of anything the public is exhorted to do! (I am also skeptical that anything popular is any good or necessary until I have tested it for myself!)

I remember reading probably 20 years ago a paper published in Science that did a energy usage study on recycling. The paper's conclusion was that recycling was a energy hog!

All the reprocessing necessary to make recycled material usable as basic product feeds (e.g., recover the metal, the glass, etc) used significantly more energy then if you just made a new product and sometimes even required the introduction of new material. (So no net material savings!)

I remember my late (well wasn't late then!) mother-in-law a good FDR democrat was horrified by my statements on recycling. She was a wonderful and dear person but bought into every environmental fad hook-line-and-sinker that came down the road. I was on this issue her son-in-law the antisocial cranky curmudgeon conservative ( But who understood thermodynamics!). Who was just being that way because democrats were advocating it!

34 posted on 10/07/2012 3:24:46 PM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: basil
Aluminum cans are readily recycled when trash is dumped to go into a cogeneration power station for burning ~ a large electromagnet will kick them aside ~ just as it attracts steel cans and products to the other side.

I don't know how widespread the use of those devices is but even in states without return deposit systems aluminum cans are reported to have about a 90% rate of recycling.

So, here's the fraud ~ the idea that California through the misuse of state authority can make a significant impact in recycling aluminum cans.

SEE: >http://www.walkermagnet.com/separation-eddy-current-separators.htm

35 posted on 10/07/2012 3:25:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: basil
I don’t recycle anything.......

Me neither. But then I don't have much to recycle.

36 posted on 10/07/2012 3:28:29 PM PDT by upchuck (I miss my dog Snoopy. May 16, 1997-September 24, 2012 -- 15 years, 4 months. Forever in my heart.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Kalifornia charges sales tax (7.75 % or more) and it is not redeemable.


37 posted on 10/07/2012 3:28:59 PM PDT by Foolsgold (L I B Lacking in Brains)
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To: Uncle Chip

How much do you pay? What does your local government pay? I smell a rat. Recycling is rarely profitable and usually requires coercion or subsidies or extra fees/taxes.


38 posted on 10/07/2012 3:31:54 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: rockinqsranch
A few years back there was an earthquake in India that destroyed a modest sized city. Before Western aid agencies could come up with a plan to help them authorities in India had cleared the site and recycled every useful thing ~ including broken pieces of concrete.

One article I read on trash and refuse in India said there is basically no garbage or trash in India because someone down the line can always use whatever it is ~ intense grinding poverty insures that. Then, too, there are 70 million people who constitute a relatively formal jot which has as its job the removal and reprocessing of garbage, trash and other waste materials from all sources.

America is truly a fortunate land ~ we have to think about dealing with trash. Others don't.

39 posted on 10/07/2012 3:33:03 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Irenic

I actually don’t consider this recycling. Curbside recycling is stupid and designed for economic illiterates to this they are helping.

But, I actually support bottle deposit programs. I lived in Michigan for 45 years then moved to Maryland. In MD, everyone is all exercised about the environment, yet there are cans and bottles all over the roadways. In MI, the cans have value and are either not tossed, or quickly picked up. Plus, a bottle drive is a great way for Boy Scouts and other youth groups to make money.


40 posted on 10/07/2012 3:43:52 PM PDT by cyclotic ( Obama's golden halo is really just a rusted hubcap)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

$16/month. No one is really coerced but it is so simple to throw recyclables in one container that I put out maybe once every three weeks if I choose. And the trashbag of garbage and slop is now so small that it would be hardly worth taking to the curb except for the smell. Our community actually made money off the recyclables last year.


41 posted on 10/07/2012 3:50:23 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I find it strange that you pay the California Redemption Value (CRV) on a per container basis, and the container says how much you should get back per container at a recycling center. However, when you go to the recycling center, your
CRV is based on the total weight of the containers recycled and not on the total number of containers brought in.


42 posted on 10/07/2012 3:58:20 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Reily
I remember reading probably 20 years ago a paper published in Science that did a energy usage study on recycling. The paper's conclusion was that recycling was a energy hog!

Depends upon what it is. Aluminum actually makes sense as a recylcable material because it is very energy intensive to process raw ore into aluminum, compared to the energy it takes to resmelt aluminum cans.

Paper, on the other hand, is not recycle friendly at all. It's actually more expensive to recycle paper than it is worth. The same for the most part can be said about glass, unless you're not as concerned about the appearance of the glass you produce. You can't, to the best of my knowledge, produce clear glass unless you only have clear glass fed into the stream.



43 posted on 10/07/2012 4:03:01 PM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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To: zeugma
I agree
I don't remember the details of the paper any more. I am trying to remember what the big recycling issues were at the time. Since my skepticism was aimed at my mother-in-law's enthusiastic household recycling activities it was likely paper, glass, plastics and probably cans. So in metal cans I might concede the point. Maybe.

I do remember the Science paper being quite comprehensive. I wish I could remember more. I wish I could remember the title & author!

44 posted on 10/07/2012 4:51:45 PM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: basil

I only recycle pizza boxes. Nothing else.

One pizza box can destroy a whole batch of recycled cardboard.


45 posted on 10/07/2012 4:53:52 PM PDT by Morris70
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To: RobertClark

“Privatizing the CA system would fix it all. Gov’t attempting to make a share of the profits has a way of screwing everything up.”

I live in the Bay Area in CA. We have had for many,many years curbside recycling. We have one contractor who picks up the garbage (small wheeled cart) and another who picks up the “recyclables” and the “green waste” (that are in separate large wheeled carts). He dumps both carts in the same truck, but he gets pissed off if you put some green waste in the recyclables bin and vice versa. Go figure! He also picks up used motor oil in gallon milk jugs, but if you try to put it out in a milk jug from the store, he won’t take it because it doesn’t have a hazmat label on it! Oh, and they are not permitted to touch anything you put out, so if they miss and drop stuff on the street, they drive off and leave it.


46 posted on 10/07/2012 5:30:39 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: basil
I don’t recycle anything.......

I do. About once a day, I pee outside.

47 posted on 10/07/2012 6:07:59 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: muawiyah

“America is truly a fortunate land ~ we have to think about dealing with trash......”

Yes, we are most fortunate, but I don’t understand what that’s to do with my point, which was addressing the source of policy, not recycling.


48 posted on 10/07/2012 7:07:59 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: elkfersupper

TMI !!!!


49 posted on 10/07/2012 8:07:16 PM PDT by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

kind of humorous actually...When California set this up they counted on making a bonanza from cans bottles never redeemed but thrown into the landfill. But the redeemed numbers are very close to the sold (and taxed 5 cents) number due to influx of out of state cans. So no windfall for California to squander


50 posted on 10/08/2012 4:37:35 AM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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