Skip to comments.Rampant recycling fraud is draining California cash [They built it]
Posted on 10/07/2012 1:56:25 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Just over 8.5 billion recyclable cans were sold in California last year. The number redeemed for a nickel under California's recycling law: 8.3 billion.
That's a return rate of nearly 100%.
That kind of success isn't just impressive, it's unbelievable. But the recycling rate for certain plastic containers was even higher: 104%.
California's generous recycling redemption program has led to rampant fraud. Crafty entrepreneurs are driving semi-trailers full of cans from Nevada or Arizona, which don't have deposit laws, across the border and transforming their cargo into truckfuls of nickels. In addition, recyclers inside the state are claiming redemptions for the same containers several times over, or for containers that never existed.
The illicit trade is draining the state's $1.1-billion recycling fund. Government officials recently estimated the fraud at $40 million a year, and an industry expert said it could exceed $200 million. It's one reason the strapped fund paid out $100 million more in expenses last year than it took in from deposits and other sources.
"The law says California has to make it easy to recycle so anyone with a devious mind, it's so easy, they can just go right in," said Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy Dave Chapman, who has investigated fraud rings in recent months.
Under the state's 25-year-old recycling law, California charges consumers a deposit on most beverage containers sold within its borders. Anyone who brings empty containers back to one of about 2,300 privately run recycling centers can collect 5 cents for most cans and bottles and 10 cents for larger containers.
Only products sold in California are eligible. But a can is a can and many recycling centers in California aren't that interested in where they come from.
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I always wonder about these programs. IF they actually recycle a can or a bottle, what does it cost to do it?
I don’t recycle anything.......
When government hands out money, this is what happens
It’s quite a story...... and then,
“This year, CalRecycle has removed 19 recycling centers from the program and launched reviews of 256 others.”
Apparently can recycling makes SOME economic sense but when government hands out cash, people are going to cheat
For God’s sake...Government get the heck out of our hair! All you can do is screw up anything you touch. Tin cans, low flow toilets and spotted owls all have proved to be a disaster along with free food, free education and free anything. Big Government GO AWAY!
Oh, and don't forget to put your recycle box at the curb.
In Great Britian: ....."Cornwall's verdant lanes are now becoming better known for being littered with an assortment of multi-coloured rubbish bags as the council forces residents to separate recycling into six different containers.
Richard Madeley, who has a holiday home in the area, said the system is causing his beloved corner of the county to become a "disgrace".
The television presenter is one of 250,000 households forced to laboriously separate paper into blue bags, cardboard into orange sacks, glass into a black plastic box, plastics and tin into a red bag and garden waste into a brown wheelie bin - not forgetting the black bag for non-recyclable waste.
The 56-year-old said: "It is really awful to see all these coloured bags and boxes littering our countryside.
Cornwall Council is just the latest local authority to introduce more separate bin collections, with some providing residents with up to nine bins, including a slop bucket for food waste, in order to boost EU-imposed recycling targets. ...."
Right. There is NO FREE LUNCH - only federal hooks in your hide (and you pay for them).
Leftwing Fascism was such a stupid choice
Bahiyah at 12:31 PM October 7, 2012
The only solution is to make recycling uniform across the land in all States. Then we’ll get truck loads of trash comming from Mexico for trade into cash.
This is nothing new...on an episode of Seinfeld, Newman & Cramer borrowed a US Postal van to take a truck-load of 5 cent New York cans to Michigan to collect 10 cents apiece that Michigan pays for returns!
I remember that, lol.
I bet there are people who try that on a bigger scale
How long until this is deemed a felony?
How long until this is deemed a felony?
What government program that spends taxpayers money buying something is not just rife with fraud but ripe for it? Zero, zilch, none.
And today, is there any reason for government recycling, if, “used” plastics and aluminum ARE economically efficient for container makers to use? And if so, then isn’t it worth it for commercial recyclers to buy it, themselves, and wouldn’t they do a better job than the government at insuring THEY were not defrauded.
What is it that government takers of the used platic and aluminum do? Don’t they just sell it to the actual industrial users of it?
Why not let the packaging industry run the “recycling” programs, offering their own rewards for used plastic and aluminum - and get the government and taxes out of it.
Newman is probably already in prison for his postal felony...LOL
To help identify people bringing cans into California, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a law last month that will require those importing more than 25 pounds of aluminum or plastic or 250 pounds of glass to declare at the border what their purpose is and the source and destination of the material.
We have a couple who moved here from California and they save cans and when they visit California it pays for their trip.
Kramer and Newman at it again?
In California, four hundred dollars.
I dont recycle anything.......
The garbage guys became such jack-azz garbage Nazis that I finally quit.
They would pick through throwing stuff into the yard that they didn’t like.
The recycle game got so bad that I started feeling like Bill Murray in Caddyshack.
Thanks for all the good articles you post. :)
I dont recycle anything.......I recycle. I throw everything in the garbage can, then the homeless come around on pick-up night, sort it and take what they want and never leave a mess.
BTW, recyclying glass is another joke. I replaced some aluminum framed windows and called a few recyclers about taking the glass seperate from the aluminum...FREE. No one would take it, they ONLY take glass bottles with redemption value.
I am all for recycling programs if they’re done well. I have relatives in southern Germany who recycle as much as they can.... why? Because the regular household trash is billed for removal by weight, their trash receptacle actually has a built in scale. Makes sense to me... no refuse tax, only a fee for use.
Sigh... tax the rat farms.
When I lived on base at Travis AFB I ignored the recycling rules and got a letter from base commander. Apparently one of the garbage nazi’s (a local civilian contractor) ratted me out for having beer bottles mixed in my trash. He heard them rattling in the bin and dug around and found them. I refused to use that little pos plastic bin, instead I wrapped each wine (we lived close to Napa) and beer bottle in newspaper and continued to use the big bin. Never got caught again.
Because it is not profitable. It costs the taxpayers a lot of money to recycle. Of course, it also creates plenty of government union jobs, which help funnel money to get Democrats elected.
“.....in order to boost EU-imposed recycling targets. ....”
and should we continue on this road to Leftist Hell it would be to boost the UN-imposed recycling targets.
All this Leftist crap has to be stopped cold.
It gets wheeled out to the curb when full and/or once a week and trashmen dump it all in their truck and they sort it out at their facility.
Garbage and non-recyclables go in a trashbag and are picked up and disposed of separately. Two trash pickups a week are now down to one and could be every two weeks. Trash company makes money from the recyclables and that keeps the rates down.
We have a similar system here where I live. We don’t have to separate anything - we just throw all recyclables into a 50gal wheeled bin that is provided to each house in addition to the wheeled trash container. The recyclables are sorted by hand when the pick up trucks get to the waste facility. It provides unskilled jobs and more than pays for itself. The fact that it is such a simple system means that compliance is very high. It’s a win / win. The more simple the system, the better the results.
Privatizing the CA system would fix it all. Gov’t attempting to make a share of the profits has a way of screwing everything up.
Where ever the heck here is.
I remember reading probably 20 years ago a paper published in Science that did a energy usage study on recycling. The paper's conclusion was that recycling was a energy hog!
All the reprocessing necessary to make recycled material usable as basic product feeds (e.g., recover the metal, the glass, etc) used significantly more energy then if you just made a new product and sometimes even required the introduction of new material. (So no net material savings!)
I remember my late (well wasn't late then!) mother-in-law a good FDR democrat was horrified by my statements on recycling. She was a wonderful and dear person but bought into every environmental fad hook-line-and-sinker that came down the road. I was on this issue her son-in-law the antisocial cranky curmudgeon conservative ( But who understood thermodynamics!). Who was just being that way because democrats were advocating it!
I don't know how widespread the use of those devices is but even in states without return deposit systems aluminum cans are reported to have about a 90% rate of recycling.
So, here's the fraud ~ the idea that California through the misuse of state authority can make a significant impact in recycling aluminum cans.
Me neither. But then I don't have much to recycle.
Kalifornia charges sales tax (7.75 % or more) and it is not redeemable.
How much do you pay? What does your local government pay? I smell a rat. Recycling is rarely profitable and usually requires coercion or subsidies or extra fees/taxes.
One article I read on trash and refuse in India said there is basically no garbage or trash in India because someone down the line can always use whatever it is ~ intense grinding poverty insures that. Then, too, there are 70 million people who constitute a relatively formal jot which has as its job the removal and reprocessing of garbage, trash and other waste materials from all sources.
America is truly a fortunate land ~ we have to think about dealing with trash. Others don't.
I actually don’t consider this recycling. Curbside recycling is stupid and designed for economic illiterates to this they are helping.
But, I actually support bottle deposit programs. I lived in Michigan for 45 years then moved to Maryland. In MD, everyone is all exercised about the environment, yet there are cans and bottles all over the roadways. In MI, the cans have value and are either not tossed, or quickly picked up. Plus, a bottle drive is a great way for Boy Scouts and other youth groups to make money.
$16/month. No one is really coerced but it is so simple to throw recyclables in one container that I put out maybe once every three weeks if I choose. And the trashbag of garbage and slop is now so small that it would be hardly worth taking to the curb except for the smell. Our community actually made money off the recyclables last year.
I find it strange that you pay the California Redemption Value (CRV) on a per container basis, and the container says how much you should get back per container at a recycling center. However, when you go to the recycling center, your
CRV is based on the total weight of the containers recycled and not on the total number of containers brought in.
Depends upon what it is. Aluminum actually makes sense as a recylcable material because it is very energy intensive to process raw ore into aluminum, compared to the energy it takes to resmelt aluminum cans.
Paper, on the other hand, is not recycle friendly at all. It's actually more expensive to recycle paper than it is worth. The same for the most part can be said about glass, unless you're not as concerned about the appearance of the glass you produce. You can't, to the best of my knowledge, produce clear glass unless you only have clear glass fed into the stream.
I do remember the Science paper being quite comprehensive. I wish I could remember more. I wish I could remember the title & author!
I only recycle pizza boxes. Nothing else.
One pizza box can destroy a whole batch of recycled cardboard.
“Privatizing the CA system would fix it all. Govt attempting to make a share of the profits has a way of screwing everything up.”
I live in the Bay Area in CA. We have had for many,many years curbside recycling. We have one contractor who picks up the garbage (small wheeled cart) and another who picks up the “recyclables” and the “green waste” (that are in separate large wheeled carts). He dumps both carts in the same truck, but he gets pissed off if you put some green waste in the recyclables bin and vice versa. Go figure! He also picks up used motor oil in gallon milk jugs, but if you try to put it out in a milk jug from the store, he won’t take it because it doesn’t have a hazmat label on it! Oh, and they are not permitted to touch anything you put out, so if they miss and drop stuff on the street, they drive off and leave it.
I do. About once a day, I pee outside.
“America is truly a fortunate land ~ we have to think about dealing with trash......”
Yes, we are most fortunate, but I don’t understand what that’s to do with my point, which was addressing the source of policy, not recycling.
kind of humorous actually...When California set this up they counted on making a bonanza from cans bottles never redeemed but thrown into the landfill. But the redeemed numbers are very close to the sold (and taxed 5 cents) number due to influx of out of state cans. So no windfall for California to squander