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Your right to resell your own stuff is in peril
MarketWatch ^ | 04 Oct 2012 | Jennifer Waters

Posted on 10/07/2012 2:48:27 PM PDT by NonValueAdded

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To: CORedneck

“Kind of funny, I remember in 1985 for college, I spent like $170 for books. When we got a new president, he issued an edict that textbooks had to be changed out every year and I ended up spending like $400. Plus no used book market either. He came from the East Coast.”

I’m a teacher now. I use 100 percent public domain sources. Textbook costs - 0 dollars. Students shouldn’t have to pay money to obtain quality instruction materials. The cost on my time in first year was somewhat high - but now that I have all the materials put together - the cost is very little. Just a print run once a year, say a couple hours with the photocopier and all the students are done.


51 posted on 10/07/2012 7:07:17 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Here inn Houston some were caught “five finger requistioning” some material from chemical plant and refineries. Stainless steel (304 and 316), Hastelloy C, Incalloy, Inconel, titanium........


52 posted on 10/07/2012 7:11:31 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: NonValueAdded

But, I thought they wanted us to recycle!! Screw that...I’ll just send everything to the dump from now on!


53 posted on 10/07/2012 7:16:21 PM PDT by happilymarriedmom
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To: JRandomFreeper

yeah...a used one with the right answers highlighted...


54 posted on 10/07/2012 7:21:14 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: visualops

Does that go for importing to resell?


55 posted on 10/07/2012 7:30:48 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Brad from Tennessee

>The retail prices in the book store would be outrageous.<

Ask any college student - those prices have gotten more and more outrageous with each passing year.


56 posted on 10/07/2012 7:38:22 PM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: svcw
I mean really the “resale” police would peruse neighborhoods looking for grandma and grandpa selling their stuff in a garage sale, and arrest them.


May not be as far fetched as one could imagine. Take a look at what the Louisiana Legislature passed in 2011. I guess it is actual law now although I've not looked up the current status.

Law Bans Cash for Second Hand Transactions

Cold hard cash. It's good everywhere you go, right? You can use it to pay for anything.

But that's not the case here in Louisiana now. It's a law that was passed during this year's busy legislative session.

House bill 195 basically says those who buy and sell second hand goods cannot use cash to make those transactions, and it flew so far under the radar most businesses don't even know about it.

"We're gonna lose a lot of business," says Danny Guidry, who owns the Pioneer Trading Post in Lafayette. He deals in buying and selling unique second hand items.

"We don't want this cash transaction to be taken away from us. It's an everyday transaction," Guidry explains.

Guidry says, "I think everyone in this business once they find out about it. They're will definitely be a lot of uproar."

The law states those who buy or sell second hand goods are prohibited from using cash. State representative Rickey Hardy co-authored the bill.

Hardy says, "they give a check or a cashiers money order, or electronic one of those three mechanisms is used."

Hardy says the bill is targeted at criminals who steal anything from copper to televisions, and sell them for a quick buck. Having a paper trail will make it easier for law enforcement.

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Other articles at this Google Search page


57 posted on 10/07/2012 7:38:55 PM PDT by deport
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To: JCBreckenridge
...I use 100 percent public domain sources.

There certainly is plenty, and probably as "quality" as the high dollar titles most of the time. Likewise I am a fan of free and open source computer software. One time one of my girls had a first year class which required "Microsoft Office". We were pretty broke at the time, I had a legit older version which wasn't functionally up to date so I set her up with the most current release of OpenOffice. The prof's reaction to that was "Hell yes I should have thought of that!" I honestly can't remember the last time I bought a piece of computer software. At work I have the usual corporate supplied package but the homework is all done with open source titles on Linux. It all goes back & forth just fine!

58 posted on 10/07/2012 7:41:40 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (I will not comply.)
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To: NonValueAdded

There goes recycling. I guess every used item will now have to be burned.


59 posted on 10/07/2012 7:44:25 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: JCBreckenridge

Funny you mention this. I am teaching a web programming class and we went with a web site instead of a standard text book. Students like the aspect of not having to buy a useless textbook.

> I’m a teacher now. I use 100 percent public domain sources.


60 posted on 10/07/2012 7:45:57 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: deport

FR Articles about Louisiana Law and second hand purchases with cash


61 posted on 10/07/2012 7:47:05 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport

Oh my good Lord.
How can something like this be enforced.
I get the history and exchange of stolen goods, like everything the government touches - unintended results.
The way the law reads I’d either have to set up a charge/debt card capability or take a check.
Yea, like I am having a garage sale and do either of these.
Thanks for the link, I will take a look.
(A bit off the subject, I saw a show the other day called “Storage Wars”, its about selling foreclosed storage units. All transactions must be cash. And gasoline, many stations give a $0.05 per gallon discount, guess that will stop.)
Well, thanks again.


62 posted on 10/07/2012 7:48:46 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Also note: your governments already do this.

Any resale of a titled object - house, auto, boat, plane, etc, - is re-taxed without regard to any prior tax paid. They'll support the corporations before the People!

63 posted on 10/07/2012 8:02:41 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: NonValueAdded

Very interesting. Thanks for posting. I saw that link reading zerohedge tonight.


64 posted on 10/07/2012 8:18:38 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: NonValueAdded
I wonder if this is the closure of the so called “gun show loophole” that liberals have been hoping for?

Personally, I don't feel that there is a gun show loophole, but if you can't sell your own stuff without permission of the manufacturer/copyright holder, then this could change the wall all things are sold, including firearms.

65 posted on 10/07/2012 9:17:24 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: NonValueAdded
I wonder if this is the closure of the so called “gun show loophole” that liberals have been hoping for?

Personally, I don't feel that there is a gun show loophole, but if you can't sell your own stuff without permission of the manufacturer/copyright holder, then this could change the wall all things are sold, including firearms.

66 posted on 10/07/2012 9:19:27 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: NonValueAdded

BTTT


67 posted on 10/07/2012 9:22:52 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
[Investment - 500 dollars. Return, 5k.]

Nice work. I would guess today you're keeping your head above water.

68 posted on 10/07/2012 9:47:59 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: ctdonath2

But he was buying his inventory at full retail pricing, not at a wholesale price as normal sellers would. His behavior is exactly what happens each Christmas as opportunistic early arrivers buy all available pieces of that holiday’s “hot” item and immediately offer them at triple the price on eBay. You may remember the shortage of PlayStations or XBoxes or Tickle-me-Elmo dolls. How is what this guy did any different, adjusting for the scale of his operation?


69 posted on 10/07/2012 11:00:10 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: goat granny

We’re gonna have to be like the Japanese and Charlie....


70 posted on 10/07/2012 11:19:53 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: NonValueAdded

It’s just the ‘gray market’.

Gray markets are a natural consumer response to price discrimination on the part of producers, where they will sell the same product in one country at a much higher or lower price than in another - as in the textbook example.

Some years ago when the dollar hit extreme highs, I was traveling in Europe. The big rage at the time was buying European cars and shipping them to the states. I almost bought a Ferrari for $17,000 - but it was right-hand drive, so declined.

There was a huge industry of changing cars from European standards to US standards (Emissions, lights, etc.).

As currencies now begin the race to the bottom, we can expect similar opportunities. If the dollar crashes, a lot of cash can be made shipping European cars to Europe - BMWs and other cars currently cost a lot less in the USA than here in Europe. If the dollar crashes, used BMWs, Volvos and other popular European models will begin getting exported...


71 posted on 10/08/2012 12:48:53 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: DBrow

I don’t want to pretend to know everything, but if you can purchase direct from a manufacturer overseas I don’t know of a problem with reselling. I believe you have to be a business with an import license to directly import (and you need to clear customs which can be done with a broker or in the case of small packages it’s done with the customs declaration on the air waybill). But if someone bought at retail overseas, shipped to you and you resell there are no issues that I know of (but that doesn’t mean I know everything lol). Generally speaking the barrier is freight costs (most people have no idea how expensive freight is). If you want to find out what the tariffs are look up the harmonized trade lists to see the import duties.
But a lot of people do have home businesses where they are buying wholesale and selling ebay.


72 posted on 10/08/2012 4:40:16 AM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Alas - that money went back to pay for a semester at college. :) I’m doing ok, but still a long way to go.


73 posted on 10/08/2012 4:45:11 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Clinging Bitterly

I do a fair amount of data entry and I use Open Office exclusively.


74 posted on 10/08/2012 4:51:46 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Textbooks are a scam, but photocopying them and selling them is illegal under copyright law.


75 posted on 10/08/2012 5:07:03 AM PDT by Michamilton
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To: ctdonath2
"He wasn’t buying individual books for his own use and then reselling them, he was buying by the case with the intent to immediately resell for profit."

So?

Its none of the Gub'ments business if I buy and sell items and make a profit except for taxes I owe.

If he didn't pay his taxes then fine hi,. but having a Constitutional challenge on first sale rights so "Big Publishing" can keep their text book monopoly was not the original intent established by the founding fathers when they wrote the Constitution.

"Big Media" and "Big Publishing" have lobbied Congress with hundreds of millions of dollars until they've got the copyright laws fixed where they can fleece the public over and over. Now they have this back-handed Constitutional challenge that if it is upheld will remove the right of consumers to re-sell their legally bought goods without ponying up more cash to the Copyright Mafia.

They can all kiss my ass.

76 posted on 10/08/2012 5:20:34 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Churchillspirit
"For which he should have had a business license and pay taxes on his profits."

Ahhh, if you make a profit, no matter if you have a business or not, you owe taxes on that profit.

In fact if you own a business most likely you will owe "less taxes" because you can usually write off things individuals can't.

77 posted on 10/08/2012 5:25:09 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Michamilton

So I and the remainder of the students were supposed to do without any readings whatsoever for the term?

The books had already been ordered and paid for and the textbook company said they had ‘lost’ the order and could not fill the order, nor provide refunds.

I was fulfilling the contract that they themselves had voided, and helping out the students that they screwed over.


78 posted on 10/08/2012 5:28:21 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: NonValueAdded

We have some of the most stupid IP laws in the US imaginable.

When I was in school, I bought a few textbooks from a friend from Thailand. My professor got really mad, as it was his book, but couldn’t do anything about it.


79 posted on 10/08/2012 6:07:14 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I agree with you. Nonetheless, that’s how this system works.


80 posted on 10/08/2012 7:01:59 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: ctdonath2
"Nonetheless, that’s how this system works."

Ahhh no it isn't. The reason people are licensed to do business is first to buy merchandise that will be used to resell without paying "sales" tax" and then they must charge and collect sales tax and remit it to the state.

However if I buy items without that business license then those selling it to me must charge sales tax (even if they don't charge me for the taxes they must remit them to the State Tax Agency for any sales of items direct to entities that don't have a Business License.) AND I then don't have to charge sales tax when I resell it, because the Sales tax has already been paid. (Except for things with titles like cars and such which is a different sort of tax)

Now the Gub'ment would like you to believe that its against the law for you to resell new items you bought sans a Business License but it isn't. All a business license is, (save for those specialized things that concern health issues) is an agreement to collect the sales tax the State charges and it allows you to buy wholesale without paying sales tax on merchandise you are going to resell.

81 posted on 10/08/2012 8:24:26 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Wow, that sounds so much like illegal copyright infringement, which could land you in jail or get you a huge legal penalty.

How did you get the book’s owner and publisher to agree to your scheme? I would have thought they would just run off some more books....


82 posted on 10/08/2012 11:29:18 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: NonValueAdded

STILL seems cut and dried to me.
If Wiley sells books so cheaply abroad that they can be IMPORTED and sold more cheaply in the US, than books already produced here, well, that is their problem, not the sellers.


83 posted on 10/08/2012 11:43:23 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

By the time the books were ready, the students would be finished for the semester, and the students would have no need for them.

The publisher should have upheld the contract for the books so ordered by refunding the money the students paid to order the books in the first place. We all did the right thing, and the publisher took our money and delivered nothing.

Rather then sue the publisher for the money - the essential problem was solved. We all got what we paid for, eventually.


84 posted on 10/08/2012 4:31:58 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

It would make sense if each person photocopied the book for their personal use. I don’t understand why any of you would simply accept a seller taking money and not delivering. Any small claims court would get you back your money plus costs. It’s hard to imagine a publisher taking the chance of damage claims either.

It becomes iffy if one person starts making enough profit in selling photocopies of a library book to pay for a year of college.


85 posted on 10/08/2012 7:32:38 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ctdonath2
he was buying by the case with the intent to immediately resell for profit.

So? That is what my entire business is based on. I buy with the intent to resell and make a profit.

If they don't sell, if I make a boo-boo, then I am stuck giving a quarter ton of sock monkeys to the Salvation Army.

86 posted on 10/08/2012 7:48:59 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Fate plays chess and you don't find out until too late that he's been using two queens all along)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

One, it would have taken time to take them to court and get our money back and in the meantime, still not getting the materials that we needed. Once I printed there was no need to fight to get our money back, because we had what we needed, the readings.

Two, it was a course materials package. What I did was photocopy only the required readings from each book. So it wasn’t a photocopy of the book, it was a photocopy of the readings, printed and put together and organized according to how our prof wanted them read. At the 50 bucks I charged it was one fourth what it would have cost to buy all the books, plus it was much smaller since it had only the required readings.

Anyways, if the publisher wanted to sue - they would have had to sue the professor too. The same guy recommending that they use his books. ;) It wouldn’t have been a wise decision for them to go after their customers.


87 posted on 10/09/2012 2:31:13 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: NonValueAdded
Discussion in SlashDot
Including, to so degree, international law ramifications

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/10/09/0241250/supreme-court-to-decide-whether-or-not-you-own-what-you-own

88 posted on 10/09/2012 5:59:15 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: tet68

“Here in Ga. scrap metal dealers are now asking for
photo ID. in order to buy YOUR scrap.”

I do not believe this is relevant to the story...the photo ID thing on scrap is because of all the copper etc being stripped from empty foreclosure properties etc and being sold for scrap. This is an attempt on the part of the scrap dealers to protect themselves from charges of buying stolen property.


89 posted on 10/09/2012 8:35:20 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
>>The problem is getting congress to act upon their powers before they themselves become corrupted.

I am certain you would enjoy Gordon S. Wood's “The Creation of the American Republic.” Check out the reviews at Amazon.

We revolted against Great Britain in part because we refused to accept importation of British political and social corruption.

90 posted on 10/10/2012 5:03:32 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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