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Heaven Is Real: A Doctor’s Experience With the Afterlife
Newsweek/Daily Beast ^ | Oct 8 2012 | Eban Alexander

Posted on 10/08/2012 3:01:21 PM PDT by WilliamIII

As a neurosurgeon, I did not believe in the phenomenon of near-death experiences. I grew up in a scientific world, the son of a neurosurgeon. I followed my father’s path and became an academic neurosurgeon, teaching at Harvard Medical School and other universities. I understand what happens to the brain when people are near death, and I had always believed there were good scientific explanations for the heavenly out-of-body journeys described by those who narrowly escaped death.

... In the fall of 2008, however, after seven days in a coma during which the human part of my brain, the neocortex, was inactivated, I experienced something so profound that it gave me a scientific reason to believe in consciousness after death.

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To: Excellence
Sub-particle physics is the stuff of dreams.

As is particle physics, but it's not a dream.

It's true.


The pain you feel today is the strength you'll have tomorrow.

51 posted on 10/08/2012 4:09:41 PM PDT by rdb3 (Democrats: Once a slave owner, ALWAYS a slave owner!)
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To: CatherineofAragon

I remember when my grandmother was in the hospital and we knew she was dying. She was 100. I remember hearing her having a conversation with her two sisters who had died before her. It was like they were welcoming her to Heaven. She died within the hour.


52 posted on 10/08/2012 4:10:15 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: WilliamIII
Why do these "near death" experiences appear to be independent of religion?

I also note that none of these "near death" experiences involve someone being revived in a terror struck state describing torment and suffering?

53 posted on 10/08/2012 4:12:12 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Misterioso

You owe me a new laptop keyboard!! LOL!!


54 posted on 10/08/2012 4:12:38 PM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: Misterioso

“So heaven is unimaginable. For you, you should add.”

Not really. God Himself said that the human mind cannot encompass what He has prepared for us after this life.


55 posted on 10/08/2012 4:16:09 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: fso301

Oh, there are ones like that. But most people who see a hellish situation don’t publicize their visions or experiences.


56 posted on 10/08/2012 4:18:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Sam’s Club used to sell the most beautiful Manger sets at Christmas — incrdibly detailed and dressed in “silk” robes. (I have one from several years ago.) The sets were different evey year, but they always came in 2 versions — black figures or white figures. The “white” set had one of the kings who was black, but the black set was all black (I think). The faces were the same — just the skin a different tone and the hair diffeent. Actually I liked the black version better because the colors had a little more depth, but I thought that the grandchildren wouldn’t understand.

The set I have is in a desert scene with a stone manger that looks like a ruined building and palm trees. It’s beautiful.


57 posted on 10/08/2012 4:19:00 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Larry Lucido

Very nice. :)


58 posted on 10/08/2012 4:19:26 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: WilliamIII

Fascinating story. It confirms a lot of things Christians have always suspected it was like. In a way, I’m glad he was such a skeptic beforehand.

It explains, as much as our earthly minds can fathom, some of the things we are told in Scripture about the joy and peace of Heaven that surpasses all understanding.


59 posted on 10/08/2012 4:19:37 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I can’t help but think that it will be on a completely different level.

****

I think so too. How else can we be reunited with our parents and our children - people who intersect our own lives at very different stages.

But I also believe in near death experiences. My nephew, about age 4, fell out of a window, was unconscious for a time and when he regained consciousness, related that he had “dreamed” of going up in the air to the sky with balloons holding him up. He said it was a wonderful feeling. Could this have been how a four-year-old human brain interpreted what was happening to him?


60 posted on 10/08/2012 4:21:49 PM PDT by maica
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To: ilovesarah2012

“I remember hearing her having a conversation with her two sisters who had died before her.”

Everyone is sitting around grandpa’s hospital bed waiting for his last breath. The room is quiet. Suddenly he raises his head from the pillow, his eyes fixed on a corner of the ceiling, he smiles and exclaims: “JACK”!?? He lays back and is dead. His son Jack had predeceased him by a year. True story.


61 posted on 10/08/2012 4:27:10 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: WilliamIII

Heaven will be far superior to life on earth. Good enough for me.


62 posted on 10/08/2012 4:30:42 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: I want the USA back

Lazarus dead 4 days.


63 posted on 10/08/2012 4:35:28 PM PDT by sopwith (don't tread on me)
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To: TalBlack

I believe there’s got to be something to it.


64 posted on 10/08/2012 4:37:15 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: WilliamIII

Thanks for this post. I enjoyed imagining his experiences. Sounds very beautiful and peaceful.


65 posted on 10/08/2012 4:37:23 PM PDT by catbertz
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To: tet68

I’ve thought of that but who do you ask?


66 posted on 10/08/2012 4:41:48 PM PDT by sopwith (don't tread on me)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I don’t doubt for a moment she was hearing/seeing them. Amazing.


67 posted on 10/08/2012 4:41:48 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Don't be afraid to see what you see. (Ronald Reagan))
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To: maica
Could this have been how a four-year-old human brain interpreted what was happening to him?

I see a lot of attempts to either validate or discredit these descriptions of NDEs by comparing the details that are related to other people's NDEs or other sources of description of what lies beyond this mortal experience. What they are failing to take into account is that the descriptions are all given when the subject is back in their bodies and using their brains and the tools of ordinary language to attempt to describe their experience to people who have never had one.

It is not necessarily the case that what they experienced was actually different just because the descriptions they give when back in the ordinary realm of life contain different details and varied analogies. They certainly must be analogies since they all say they are trying to describe something that doesn't exist in any way shape or form here in our ordinary state.

68 posted on 10/08/2012 4:44:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: fabian
How glorious for you!

I wish I could have one gentle word from God whispered in my ear, or some joyful change of fortune to prove that my family's suffering is only temporary.

69 posted on 10/08/2012 4:48:58 PM PDT by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
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To: tflabo
I know this is going to sound flippant to some, but the one thing I'm looking forward to in the afterlife is time to read all those books that have been piling up all around me. It seems like I never have enough time to read in this mortal life!

Imagine having eternity to read every book ever written.

Looking forward to that Great Kindle in the Sky!

70 posted on 10/08/2012 4:49:58 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: sopwith

Relax, and think, think back, it’s all there.


71 posted on 10/08/2012 4:58:02 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: WilliamIII

The ususal little simple minded demons jumped in on the comments below the article.

This scientist going public with experiencing God is like a Black person announcing she is voting for a Republican. The herd people can not tolerate any public defections from group think.


72 posted on 10/08/2012 4:59:29 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: LoveUSA

well...go to fhu.com and give that Be Still exercise a try. It will put you on an amazing road. You can hear it for free also at copingstrategiescd.com.


73 posted on 10/08/2012 5:01:03 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: I want the USA back

Who said anything about near death being the same as death?? Just say , hey, I don’t believe any of this instead of making useless statements.


74 posted on 10/08/2012 5:01:37 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: WilliamIII

bm


75 posted on 10/08/2012 5:04:55 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: I want the USA back; Peter W. Kessler
Heaven isn’t going to be like anything we can imagine. Our earthly imaginations are far too limited.

Of course. And the reason the people who write about these things relate visions that may seem a bit pedestrian to the rest of us--herds of butterflies, a blond Jesus, lovely gardens--are because our heavenly hosts have to speak the language our limited human minds can comprehend. No, the people who are blessed to have these experiences have to be able to grasp them and then relay them to the rest of us. As you note, they don't actually die and go to heaven, but only seem to be on the doorstep. Surely our minds could not circumscribe the joys of heaven. Naturally their visions may seem somewhat mundane. But that doesn't mean these things didn't happen or that the patients haven't been entrusted with an important message for the rest of the world.

76 posted on 10/08/2012 5:07:51 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: ilovesarah2012
<<>> AGREED!
77 posted on 10/08/2012 5:08:19 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: WilliamIII

Here in Revelation 4 we see heaven and the activity of heaven. God the Father and The Son Jesus Christ are the center of everything in heaven and all activity is around them in worship and adoration.

This what our activity on earth should also be like, for those of us who are the bride of Christ.

Matthew 6:9-10 ESV

Pray then like this:
“Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.


Revelation 4:1-11 ESV

After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne. And he who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian, and around the throne was a rainbow that had the appearance of an emerald. Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and seated on the thrones were twenty-four elders, clothed in white garments, with golden crowns on their heads. From the throne came flashes of lightning, and rumblings and peals of thunder, and before the throne were burning seven torches of fire, which are the seven spirits of God, and before the throne there was as it were a sea of glass, like crystal.

And around the throne, on each side of the throne, are four living creatures, full of eyes in front and behind:
the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with the face of a man, and the fourth living creature like an eagle in flight. And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say,

“Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty,

who was and is and is to come!”
And whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to him who is seated on the throne, who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who is seated on the throne and worship him who lives forever and ever. They cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
“Worthy are you, our Lord and God,

to receive glory and honor and power,

for you created all things,

and by your will they existed and were created.”


78 posted on 10/08/2012 5:08:29 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: WilliamIII

Sounds a lot like DMT experiences I’ve read on erowid. Apparently the brain releases DMT when near death, so it wouldn’t surprise me that when you really die you get all this (if it’s slow, not totally brain destroyed at once violently) and then fades out to a state of what it was like before you were born.


79 posted on 10/08/2012 5:08:36 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: WilliamIII

Heaven will be for me to reunite in Heaven with my beloved SO who had passed away suddenly early last month.


80 posted on 10/08/2012 5:11:38 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Lazamataz

See you there! I am completely okay with all of that.


81 posted on 10/08/2012 5:27:31 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: fso301

I have heard of several “hell” stories. You could probably google (or bing) them.


82 posted on 10/08/2012 5:27:34 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: SamAdams76

I’ve thought of that before. Eternity to read every book ever written.


83 posted on 10/08/2012 5:29:15 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: WilliamIII

My father was friends with his father. They were both neurosurgeons.


84 posted on 10/08/2012 5:30:16 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
What gives this away as something other than an other-worldly experience is the author’s description of seeing and hearing. Sight and hearing are facilitated by the organs of the body and the brain. If there is a means of perception in the world beyond, I can’t help but think that it will be on a completely different level.

I've heard from those who actually seem to have had a geniune 'peek behind the curtain' that, for example, the 'white light' they 'saw' was much too bright to really call it 'seeing the light' because with earthly eyes, they say it would have immediately blinded them. That's but one example of what you state, being probably true.

85 posted on 10/08/2012 5:31:10 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: WilliamIII

There is a little kid’s story, the little kid is now in his early teens, but he tells about being in Heaven at the age of 3 and that he saw his great-grandfather and his older sister. There is a book about his experience. I read the beautiful pictures children’s edition.


86 posted on 10/08/2012 5:31:45 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Ken H
Seems like there was more willingness to believe this guy's story on a thread back in March.

We got cynical.

I blame Obama.

87 posted on 10/08/2012 5:32:16 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: WilliamIII

Heaven is a may fly hatch on the West Madison River.


88 posted on 10/08/2012 5:32:56 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Take two Aspirin and call me in November - Obama for Hindmost.)
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To: SamAdams76
I know this is going to sound flippant to some, but the one thing I'm looking forward to in the afterlife is time to read all those books that have been piling up all around me. It seems like I never have enough time to read in this mortal life! Imagine having eternity to read every book ever written.

Me, I'm going to explore the rest of the universe. I imagine there's an infinite number of life forms on an infinite number of planets. How cool would it be to look them all over?

89 posted on 10/08/2012 5:34:01 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: tet68
Before I was 3 years old I told my mother that before I was born I was in Heaven with the angels. I said they only fed me Lemon Meringue Pie. Doesn't that sound Heavenly?
90 posted on 10/08/2012 5:39:43 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: WilliamIII

Does sleep apnea reduce the flow of oxygen to the brain?


91 posted on 10/08/2012 5:53:30 PM PDT by LaMudBug
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To: fabian

bfl


92 posted on 10/08/2012 6:03:54 PM PDT by snippy_about_it
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bfl


93 posted on 10/08/2012 6:04:03 PM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: LaMudBug

When I had surgery twice in my life, I had what looked like a “vision” of being with the Good Sheperd.


94 posted on 10/08/2012 6:05:36 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: WilliamIII
I don't know why people doubt that person who for all practical purposes see glimpses of heaven. For that matter person whether they are dieing or dreaming as well are permitted to see portions of heaven? Yes I believe it happens. I also believe some are shown hell. I know a preacher who said he went out for a drive arrived there. Not the fires we imagine but a place so desolate nothing grew or any life. There is no place within several hundred miles that could account for that. He also saw his two kids in coffins and that vision changed the mans life.

The Apostle Paul was allowed to see portions of heaven as was John. We also know the account of at least two persons Jesus himself brought back from the dead not counting the busted open graves upon His death. We have documentation of persons being brought back from the dead in the Old Testament as well. Elijah is associated with that event IIRC. Then we have Acts Ch 2

18‘In the last days, God said, I will pour out my Spirit upon all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.

Many person who have worked with persons in the process of leaving this world can tell you of their patients visions and descriptions. Then again some persons have no visions that they speak of. My wife had a NDE & I was with her when it happened. She never lost consciousness in the process and was aware of what was happening. She was describing it to me on the way to the ER. We understand so little of our spirit being which lives eternal.

I've read the of post in this thread and one stuck out. How could a person who has seen heaven at what ever level describe that which is not of this world? What was Paul seeing? John? Or go back to the Old Testament prophets. How could they describe what they saw. It would be like a person who lived 100 years ago seeing the world now.

I believe these things happen to strengthen us or help us understand to trust in faith something else is there. They are massages in some cases too help us come to Christ seeking salvation because of what we see or hear, or it is for the benefit of the ones witnessing the event. We likely won't know this side of heaven. My wife's grandmother was a music teacher. As she was dieing in her final last couple of hours her hands were moving in motions of directing a piano student or a choir. What was she hearing?

Look at Thomas. A Disciple of Christ who was taught by Christ and traveled with him. Thomas had problems when he was told Christ had arisen and had been seen by others.

John ch 24 24One of the disciples, Thomas (nicknamed the Twin£), was not with the others when Jesus came. 25They told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he replied, “I won’t believe it unless I see the nail wounds in his hands, put my fingers into them, and place my hand into the wound in his side.” 26Eight days later the disciples were together again, and this time Thomas was with them. The doors were locked; but suddenly, as before, Jesus was standing among them. He said, “Peace be with you.” 27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and see my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!” 28“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed. 29Then Jesus told him, “You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway.”

What will Christ do & to what lengths will He go to find and save His lost sheep? I don't think we anywhere near see & understand but a small portion of what goes on that is unknown to us but happens for our sakes.

95 posted on 10/08/2012 6:05:58 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: I want the USA back

Lazarus came back from death.

Yes, that was not “near-death”.

It was resurrection.


96 posted on 10/08/2012 6:14:34 PM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: LoveUSA

I wish I could have one gentle word from God whispered in my ear,


So do I! Tired of getting whacked up side the head. Deservedly so I might add.


97 posted on 10/08/2012 6:31:32 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: FredZarguna
Ooh! Ooh! Pick me. I know this one!

Everybody knows that the answer to that one is Virginia!

98 posted on 10/08/2012 6:36:16 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: WilliamIII

That was as lame as the Celestine Prophecy that I read as a New Age & Buddhism dabbler, and every bit as unbiblical.


99 posted on 10/08/2012 6:38:00 PM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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To: The Duke

Everybody knows that the answer to that one is Virginia!


Hopefully near the track at Richmond.


100 posted on 10/08/2012 6:38:47 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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