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High Stakes Ryan-Biden Bout Could Seal Deal for Romney
Newsmax ^ | 08 Oct 2012 | David A. Patten

Posted on 10/09/2012 8:55:07 AM PDT by kingattax

President Barack Obama’s perilous drop in the polls following last week’s shaky debate performance sets the scene for an extraordinary moment in presidential politics: A vice presidential debate that could play a major role in the outcome in November.

If Vice President Joe Biden can prevail in his 90-minute face-off against GOP foe Rep. Paul Ryan, it could turn the media narrative and help repair some of the damage incurred by the weak Obama showing on Oct. 3.

But the savvy Ryan, who gobbles up dense budgetary reports as if they were dime novels, will try to replicate the political jiu-jitsu Romney performed against Obama. If he succeeds, it could go a long way toward convincing swing-state independent voters not to wait to see what four more years under Obama would bring.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates
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To: kingattax

If you look real close when he gets mad you can see where they did Biden’s lobotomy.

21 posted on 10/09/2012 9:35:10 AM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: kingattax

No but I do think this cavalier dismissal of Biden is a huge mistake. God has a habit of humbling hubris.

22 posted on 10/09/2012 9:35:39 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: kingattax

Hope all this ‘hoop-la’ over the first debate, doesn’t put a jinx on RnR. In the words of Yogi Berra, “It ain’t over till it’s over”.

23 posted on 10/09/2012 9:44:44 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: 13Sisters76
I remember the Quayle/Benson debate very well. It STILL makes me burn.

The irony is that Dave Powers, one of JFK’s closest aides and then director of the JFK library, was quoted after the debate as saying he had no idea that JFK and Bentsen were even acquainted. They did briefly serve together in the House in the early ‘50s, but no one could ever recall an instance where they were together, or when JFK had even mentioned Bentsen’s name.

My guess is that Bentsen knew JFK well enough to say hello in the hallway, or make small talk in an elevator, but they were hardly the good friends like Bentsen intimated they were in the debate. I’ve read numerous books on JFK, and nowhere is Bentsen named in any of them.

24 posted on 10/09/2012 9:51:19 AM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: kingattax

I wonder if Biden might damage the Obama campaign by being too honest, for instance, by acknowledging that some of the Obama ideas do indeed have flaws.

25 posted on 10/09/2012 9:55:18 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: dead; All

Biden is well known all over the D.C. area as a pathological liar. Ryan will mop the floor with Neil Kinnoch....I mean Joe Biden.

26 posted on 10/09/2012 10:04:41 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: kingattax

I might even tune in to see Biden’s comedy act. Ryan will beat him with an idiot stick.

27 posted on 10/09/2012 10:30:19 AM PDT by pallis
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To: pallis

get the popcorn

28 posted on 10/09/2012 10:37:44 AM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: bigbob
This could be a replay of Obama versus McCain, i.e., the young, virile challenger versus the grumpy old man. The 42 year old against the almost 70 year old. Ryan has the requisite style and substance to beat the old pro.

Let's not forget that unlike Palin, Ryan is a seasoned Washington pro. He has been in Congress for almost 14 years. He has been reelected 7 times in a Dem leaning district. Ryan knows the issues and won't be fazed by the 40 year Washington insider--Biden.

Biden will want to focus on foreign affairs, his strength. Hopefully, Ryan can swing that issue towards his own strength, the budget and domestic issues. As former JCS Mike Mullen said, the biggest threat to our national security is the national debt.

29 posted on 10/09/2012 10:37:47 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kingattax

Keep praying for Ryan and Romney.

Four weeks left to save a nation.

If Biden makes a fool of himself, the momentum will build into a crescendo to elect Romney. We need enough votes to counter any potential voter fraud by the Dems.

30 posted on 10/09/2012 10:43:03 AM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Ryan is going to clean his clock, just like he did to Obama in that budget meeting.

Ryan has probably been in meeting with Joey Plugs, and knows his style.

I think Ryan will be respectful, but call him on any misrepresentation of the facts.

Joey can try the scare tactics, but Paul will call him out on them by using the
“ what have you done in the last 4 / 6 years line”

Many forget the majority the Dems have had to push their agenda, but failed to deliver on their 2008 promises.

31 posted on 10/09/2012 11:00:42 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: patriotspride

Biden has been in seclusion for 6 days. Just enough time to get rid of Rove’s programmer and get another chip in his head programmed by someone who is actually part of the Obama team.

Rove you magnificent bastard. I read your book!!!!

32 posted on 10/09/2012 11:06:06 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz
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To: workerbee

I think the pressure now on Biden is severe—Obama they are waiting for Biden to bail out the Dems.

My money is on Ryan.

33 posted on 10/09/2012 11:20:51 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: soccergirl

I agree with you - Biden is a evil clown, and a LOT more dangerous than folks realize!

34 posted on 10/09/2012 11:29:26 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: soccergirl

I’m on a different side of the fence.

First of all, I believe Biden to be one of the dumbest people ever elected to high office. Its not just his gaffes, but he is consistently on the wrong side of every important issue (think Alaskan pipeline vote in 1973). He really is plain dumb.

But fast forward to his debate against Palin. I was amazed at his ability to lie with absolute conviction. One example - he claimed McCain had voted just like Obama on a tax bill. It turns out McCain had not been present for that vote...but Palin wasn’t prepared to defend against a complete fantasy. She had to let it slide...she pushed a little, but Biden was just so darned confident...and she relented.

Other small things like the restaurant he frequented...but had been closed for 15 years, and the misplaced Home Depot he hung out in...its very hard to defend complete fabrications.

So, no, I don’t ‘respect’ Biden. I recognize that he is an accomplished politician...mostly because he is an unabashed liar (remember how he plagerized campaign speeches during one presidential run).

I think Biden will do better than Obama...and he will be very well rehearsed. But nothing ‘stellar’.

35 posted on 10/09/2012 11:53:55 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew
If I were Ryan I would remind Ole Plugs that it was President Dumbo that put HIM in charge of the Stimulus money and was to see to it that every dollar was spent on things that would Stimulate the Economy.

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36 posted on 10/09/2012 1:07:30 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: mosaicwolf
Biden is in the same position as Obama. You can't defend the defenseless.

More accurate: You can't defend the indefensible.

37 posted on 10/09/2012 1:08:41 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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