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Live Thread: Vice Presidential Debate 9:00 P.M. EDT 10/11/12 Joe Biden vs. Paul Ryan
Commission on Presidential Debates ^ | Thursday, October 11, 2012

Posted on 10/11/2012 5:10:45 PM PDT by kristinn

All debates will take place from 9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern Time.

Vice presidential debate:
Thursday, October 11
Centre College, Danville, KY
Moderator: Martha Raddatz, Senior Foreign Affairs Correspondent, ABC News

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; 2012veep; 2012vpdebate; angryjoe; biden; emo; live; oct11; paulryan; popcorn; standupchuck; thread; vpdebate
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To: patriciamary

Ryan looked great and very professional. VP Biden played the role he needed to play. Raddatz actually hurt Biden by letting him talk.

Ryan came across as thoughtful. It was a good performance.


1,001 posted on 10/11/2012 7:58:50 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: All

I’ve never seen a debate participant behave in a more obnoxious and rude manner in my life. I wonder how it will play out with the public. Ryan performed up to his experience level unfortunately. Not aggressive enough in talking over the interruptions and not aggressive enough in demanding equal treatment from Martha. He held his own on substance but missed several opportunities to call out Biden on outright lies (Libya is an example). Ryan finished strong though.


1,002 posted on 10/11/2012 7:59:21 PM PDT by PAR
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To: Darnright

Biden has gotten more than equal time and then some.

It is as you say, like a drunk at the bar. A blowhard, loudmouth, know-it-all who does not listen to anyone but himself and only part time at that.

Ryan will not lose this debate. Biden and Raditz will win it. She needs equal billing on the ticket.

I’d have bitch slapped Biden several times:

1. Never call him Joe. Always call him Mr. Biden drawing attention to his age and not necessarily superiority
2. When Biden said they would not put troops into Syria I would have said YOU ALREADY HAVE! You put chemical troops in yesterday, at least that is when you announced it, on the Syrian / Jordanian border. Who will support them when they get in trouble?


1,003 posted on 10/11/2012 7:59:23 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: goron

This was no debate. I suggest she go back to High School and learn what it means. This was a very smug failed loser getting time and time again to stay OFF DEBATE.


1,004 posted on 10/11/2012 7:59:24 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: kevao
Based on his performance.Romney did not let Obama or the moderator take charge. Why has't Ryan firmly responded to the constant interruptions by Biden & MODERATOR.
1,005 posted on 10/11/2012 7:59:47 PM PDT by patriciamary (9)
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To: goron
Martha the moderator is a C0MPLETE FAILURE and should be fired!

Fired from what? She's a MSM journalist, who in fact even earned a bonus tonight!

Fired should be the GOP! Dead silence on the fact that the wife of an incumbent administration official was moderating a debate? No effin' way that would fly if a Pubbie were in the WH. No. Effin'. Way.

1,006 posted on 10/11/2012 8:00:12 PM PDT by kevao (Is your ocean any lower than it was four years ago?)
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To: Fresh Wind
Two hours ago, I didn’t hate Biden.

Now I do.

Two hours ago I didn't have any use for Biden and I still don't. Won't say I hate him personally but in general I hate arrogant assholes. And I'm pretty sure most people do.

1,007 posted on 10/11/2012 8:00:51 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (I will not comply.)
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To: sonic109

We’ll fluoridate the water. It will sap them of their precious bodily fluids.


1,008 posted on 10/11/2012 8:01:08 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: kristinn
The BEST line of the night:

"I always mean what I say" [Joe Biden]

Talk about the gift that keeps on giving ...

This is gonna be the next Romney commercial. Use the sound bite and then compile all of Biden gaffes of the last 4 years ...

1,009 posted on 10/11/2012 8:01:10 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Today that was in Ryan’s favor.


1,010 posted on 10/11/2012 8:01:16 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: voteNRA

>Per FOX the unofficial time count was just under 42 minutes for the jerk vs. just over 40 minutes for Ryan <

And just how many of Ryan’s 40 minutes had Biden yelling over the Congressman?


1,011 posted on 10/11/2012 8:01:18 PM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: KansasGirl; All

CNN destroyed Biden- especially Gergen; said he looked childish and condescending...said it won’t go over well with the American people...


1,012 posted on 10/11/2012 8:02:08 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: chessplayer
You mean like the way obama, by being meek, let Romney hang himself in their debate?

Being meek is NOT a synonym for being out of touch.

1,013 posted on 10/11/2012 8:02:16 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Jim Robinson

What is the status of the new servers?

Will we have them by next week’s debate?


1,014 posted on 10/11/2012 8:03:44 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: ncalburt

Yes, Joe Biden was a jerk and the moderation was a hack, BUT Paul Ryan was passionLESS and passive. He didn’t even bring up the recent things Biden has said about the Obama administration’s plan to raise taxes $1 trillion or the middle class being buried for the last 4 years... I’m just sick.


1,015 posted on 10/11/2012 8:03:56 PM PDT by Southnsoul
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To: lapsus calami

This could be the Anti JFK/Nixon Moment.

The visual made Biden Smarmy.

He laughed at peoples pain.
He smirked over dead Americans

I did NOT want to have a beer with him.


1,016 posted on 10/11/2012 8:03:58 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: bigbob

Mr. Biden. I’m doing you the courtesy of letting you speak without interrupting you. Why don’t you do the same for me?

The whole mess was wrong on so many levels. Romney didn’t lose. Biden and Raditz hardly let him compete and when they did didn’t let him finish.

Like I said before, Raditz has earned equal billing position on the bo / plugs ticket.


1,017 posted on 10/11/2012 8:04:25 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Salamander
Absolutely right. I haven't seen a good old-fashioned leftist street thug shout-down like this since I was a student at UW-Madison, 40-some years ago.

Biden wasn't playing to make his points, he was playing to make sure Ryan didn't get a chance to make his points, by making sure no one could hear him. Standard leftist thug tactic. Annoying as hell but brutally effective.

1,018 posted on 10/11/2012 8:04:41 PM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (OVERTHROW OBAMA!)
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To: patriciamary
It’s called politics,Ryan should know this.Ryan is terrible

I know for one thing. Your punctuation stinks. That's the highlight of a concern troll.

If you were a normal American, who cared about the future of this country, you wouldn't have bought into Biden's snarky non-answers.

Call it for Biden if that's your view. I certainly have a different one.

1,019 posted on 10/11/2012 8:04:54 PM PDT by mplsconservative (A non-vote is a vote FOR 0bama.)
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CNN’s focus group - 1/3 Biden 1/3 Ryan 1/3 Undecided


1,020 posted on 10/11/2012 8:04:56 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: mylife; Liz; sickoflibs

FlingWingFlyer on Biden:

“I feel like I just spent a very, very, very long Christmas dinner with a drunken, obnoxious, “know it all ” uncle.”


1,021 posted on 10/11/2012 8:05:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (You only establish a feel for the line by having crossed it. - - Freeper One Name)
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To: mykroar
FOX’s Baier stated;
41 min, 57 sec for Biden;
40 min, 5 sec for Ryan
1,022 posted on 10/11/2012 8:05:13 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: kristinn

Take a message to Martha, she did well this evening. Must have read the McGurn article in the WSJ quoting Jim Lehrer: “The moderator should be seen little and heard even less.”


1,023 posted on 10/11/2012 8:05:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Fresh Wind

There’s that point, too, but once you have say 1.8 critical masses of sufficiently enriched uranium, how hard is it to make an artillery tube inside a bomb casing, put a .9 critical mass hemisphere at one end, and a .9 critical mass hemisphere at the other and put a big explosive charge behind one to drive it into the other?

Your argument only addresses Biden’s specious “they don’t have a weapon to put it in”. Mine calls that into doubt, and also points out the fallacy that we’d know before they did. If they’re building a copy of Little Boy, the test will be the attack.

Israel know it. Anyone who knows the history of the run-up to Hiroshima knows it. And anyone who claims we’d know before they had a weapon is either overconfident in our intelligence capabilities, clueless about nuclear weapon design, deluded, or selling something. (In Biden’s case, I’d be on all four.)


1,024 posted on 10/11/2012 8:05:25 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

CSPAN was entirely split screen, or perhaps I should say split scream.


1,025 posted on 10/11/2012 8:05:37 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Romney/Ryan just gained at least another point with women.

Women despise arrogant, condescending, overbearing assholes like Biden.

So many women have been browbeaten by such pricks at least once in their lives....such memories endure forever.


1,026 posted on 10/11/2012 8:05:48 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: frnewsjunkie
The folks out here are going to be so turned off by biden that Ryan wins this... no one who has any sense is going to side with the smirking rude biden... he’s a liar from one end to the other.. and smirking/laughing/interrupting is condescending and folks know this!!

I agree, I'm totally turned off by the petulant child biden is, screaming and ranting while Ryan is speaking as an adult. Henceforth, all mentions of names biden or obama should be in lower case, because they have shown America how little and petty they are. RYAN and ROMNEY are the adults in the room, any room.

1,027 posted on 10/11/2012 8:05:59 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: exit82

Well the Undecided have a much different take on this the either the political junkies on either the Left or the Right. They hated Biden

Interesting to note all the Leftist propaganda outlet AND ABC News were out with headlines about “Smiling Joe steals the debate” within minutes of the ending. Seems that is the pre programed propaganda line from the Obama Regime tonight.


1,028 posted on 10/11/2012 8:06:30 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: PAR

From the “Catholic question” forward, Biden increasingly was reduced to ‘ums’ and ‘ahs.’ I don’t see how any real practicing Catholic can answer how s/he supports abortion.


1,029 posted on 10/11/2012 8:07:33 PM PDT by EDINVA (I)
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To: Revolting cat!
It all comes down to this...

Would you buy a used car from Joe Biden?

1,030 posted on 10/11/2012 8:08:33 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: All
Gretawire poll:

VP Joe Biden 20.29% (382 votes)

Rep. Paul Ryan 79.71% (1,501 votes)

Total Votes: 1,883

1,031 posted on 10/11/2012 8:08:43 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: bert

Just kept crashing.Very hard to post.


1,032 posted on 10/11/2012 8:08:51 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: kristinn

Biden kept claiming that Romney is talking about his parents.

FACTCHECK: both of his parents are dead!


1,033 posted on 10/11/2012 8:08:57 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Darnright
And just how many of Ryan’s 40 minutes had Biden yelling over the Congressman?

Exactly. I was really looking forward to what Ryan had to say tonight. I was voting for RR anyway, but never had an opportunity to really hear Ryan for an extended period of time. And I still haven't had an opportunity to hear Paul Ryan speak for an extended period of time!!!

THANK YOU SO MUCH to the debate organizers for your public service!!! Hang you heads in shame, assholes!

1,034 posted on 10/11/2012 8:09:01 PM PDT by kevao (Is your ocean any lower than it was four years ago?)
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To: GOPJ

Obama will do his best to make Mitt the “know it all Uncle” in the next debate.

At Least Romney/Ryan aren’t drunk.


1,035 posted on 10/11/2012 8:09:18 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Salamander

“Saul Alinsky playbook.”

I hadn’t thought about that, but you’re right.

I was thinking up excuses like has an undiagnosed mental illness, or that he had been drinking. He came off as almost maniacal.

Whatever the reason, it was absolutely creepy.


1,036 posted on 10/11/2012 8:09:27 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia ("Together we will unite America and get this done" - Paul Ryan - August 11, 2012)
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To: 1010RD
My wife thinks I'm mean with some of the things I say about the marxist and the jerk, but she never paid much attention to Biden 'til tonight. She said something like "I don't know who that guy is on the left but I don't like him".

I said "Oh, that's just Joe - he's not just any old ass, he's Obama's ass".

1,037 posted on 10/11/2012 8:10:27 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (I will not comply.)
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To: exit82

I think you’re spot on.


1,038 posted on 10/11/2012 8:11:00 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: GOPJ

Obama will do his best to make Mitt the “know it all Uncle” in the next debate.

At Least Romney/Ryan aren’t drunk.


1,039 posted on 10/11/2012 8:11:02 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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Joe Biden's performance tonight was a near-perfect - albeit unintentional - lesson on why most Americans are fed up with politicians (of any stripe).

Mr. niteowl77

1,040 posted on 10/11/2012 8:11:18 PM PDT by niteowl77 (Getting stuck with other peoples' just desserts good and hard for over 50 years.)
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To: patriciamary
"It’s called politics,Ryan should know this.Ryan is terrible"


Crazy Joe Biden's schizophrenia was on national display for all to see tonight. Biden's mental illness symptoms prove he is unfit to hold the office of the Vice President.

Let me translate the above into liberal speak so you can better understand it: "hahaha hehehe hohoho.." (followed by uncontrollable condescending smirking, crazy repeated sentences and lip biting).

Reminds me of the crazy person outside the post office today who was running up to people damning them to hell and laughing uncontrollably. Joe Biden is that crazy uncle you won't let your children alone with.
1,041 posted on 10/11/2012 8:11:19 PM PDT by goron ("Folks, I can tell you I've known eight presidents, three of them intimately." --Joe Biden, 8/22/12)
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To: Southnsoul; Flatus I. Maximus; patriciamary
Well the Undecided in the Focus Groups have a much different take on this the political junkies on either the Left or the Right.

They hated Biden

Interesting to note all the Leftist propaganda outlet AND ABC News were out with headlines about "Smiling Joe steals the debate" within minutes of the ending. Seems that is the pre programed propaganda line from the Obama Regime tonight.

1,042 posted on 10/11/2012 8:11:25 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Need to FREEP the cnn poll: Who fared better in the debate?
Current results are: Biden 66% Ryan 34%.... That pretty much reflects their viewer political leanings IMHO.


1,043 posted on 10/11/2012 8:12:03 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Revolting cat!
>Take a message to Martha, she did well this evening. Must have read the McGurn article in the WSJ quoting Jim Lehrer: “The moderator should be seen little and heard even less.”<

According to this article, she's now set the bar for future moderators (GAG!):

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/martha-raddatzs-approach-should-be-the-standard-for-future-debate-moderators/

1,044 posted on 10/11/2012 8:12:51 PM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I did notice that!


1,045 posted on 10/11/2012 8:13:26 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: kristinn

This was not a debate, it was a god-damned disgrace.
It was nothing short of an ambush.
The winner of tonight’s debate was David Axelrod.
The loser was ABC, as they will never again be able to fool anyone of objectivity.
I don’t care who did well or poorly, I recognise a Stalinist show trial when I see one.


1,046 posted on 10/11/2012 8:13:40 PM PDT by ct_libertarian (W.W.J.G.D? What would John Galt do?)
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To: conservativepoet

Dick Morris said Biden was a charicature of a politician. IMO Biden was like a guy you meet in a bar who has a standard slimy line and just makes your skin crawl.

Since people wondered about how this appealed to women well I just thought Biden was disgusting. But Ryan was too timid. Where was the comment about Obama’s budgets not getting even 1 vote???? I wish Ryan had been stronger although his ending statements were good.


1,047 posted on 10/11/2012 8:15:27 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: The_Reader_David

The same experts that said Pakistan didn’t have nukes right up to the minute one was exploded??


1,048 posted on 10/11/2012 8:17:05 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: bert
What is the status of the new servers? Will we have them by next week’s debate?

One thing we must never put past "the regime" is its ability to "spontaneously" provide Directed Denial of Service attacks (DDOS) that even the biggest of servers can be gimped by.

Free Republic is a huge entity that this commie bastard regime despises and wants to shutter.

1,049 posted on 10/11/2012 8:17:15 PM PDT by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: Darnright
 
 
According to this article, she's now set the bar for future moderators
 
LoL! Where at? North Korea?
 
 

1,050 posted on 10/11/2012 8:18:17 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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