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Curiouser And Curiouser: Romney Surprises Us.
Free Republic Original Content | October 11, 2012 | by Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 10/11/2012 5:14:48 PM PDT by Lazamataz

It was obvious to me, and to all ConservativeKind, that Romney was an East Coast RINO, the sort of politician who we detest almost more than an "honest" liberal Democrat.

We were off-put by his Massachussettes record, we were enraged at his selection, and we vowed to fight him right up to the very second he was named the Republican candidate.

Yet, a few things happened recently that call into question our assumption:

  1. The Debate. Sure Romney shined. Yes, Obama sulked. The contrast in performance was wonderful to behold. But this is not enough for conservatives: A skilled RINO is as deadly to our cause as an incompetent Marxist. No, the critical takeaway from this debate, for me, was the not-insignificant mention of the 10th Amendment! Perhaps I am wrong about this, but in my adult lifetime, I do not believe I have ever heard any Democrat or Republican candidate mention this all-important limitation of the Federal Behemoth.
  2. In the very same debate, Romney repeatedly observed that the private sector manages the economy much better than central planning at the Federal level. Any student of history surely recognises this, but Obama seems to be only a student of his own "magnificent self". This core belief tells me we are dealing with a Capitalist, and this checks off another box for those of us who value conservatism.
  3. Again, at the debate: Romney, when finished, hugged his many children. This is small, but significant, since I observed Obama hug only his wife and his aides. Family values WIN.
  4. An interview by the NRA of Romney shows a much different Romney than has been portrayed by our conservative brethren. Yes, of course, Romney will be a little more compliant to the views of the NRA when in front of them, yet his going on record will make it more difficult to flip flop -- and remember, a first term means he needs to live to his word to garner support for a second.
  5. I have heard, from the rumor mill, that Romney's closest aides say he is much more conservative than his record in Massachussettes shows, and that he actually has to tamp his beliefs down a bit to connect with the fuzzy middle of America, the all-important Independent. Hearsay? Absolutely. Yet this is a tiny wisp of smoke that may indicate a hidden fire.
In Massachussettes, Romney had to play ball with liberals to get anything done at all. In his own words:

In Miami, Romney said he reached out to Democrats to make deals -- most notably, the state health care plan, which he did not explicitly mention during Wednesday’s event.

"My legislature was 85 percent Democrat," he said. "It did not take a rocket scientist to realize I had to work with people across the aisle. I didn’t attack the senate president, I didn’t attack the speaker of the house, I had to work with them. I hope we have a Republican House and a Republican Senate and I get elected as president. But I will not ignore people across the aisle."

Color me skeptical about working with the enemy should we capture the House and Senate, but okay. I can see this in a man of honor.

So: Could it be? Could our wildest fantasies be realized? Could we have accidentally stumbled into a candidate that we fought tooth-and-nail, who is actually a conservative, or close to one?

It's worth gambling on. I have changed my vote from third party to Mitt Romney.


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To: Revolting cat!
Dittos..... you feel as many of us feel..

Hopefully on Jan 2013 we can say what Ronald Reagan said.. it's a new day in America.
101 posted on 10/11/2012 9:48:19 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Lazamataz

Thanks 2ndDV. I think we always knew Romney loved family and country and that counts for a lot, then he completely thrilled us in his debate. Best Presidential debater in 40yrs some have said.

Sadly, I still am unsure if we can post pro Romney graphics....and it’s just a few weeks before it’s a choice between him or the Obamination.


102 posted on 10/11/2012 9:54:30 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: bigheadfred
He's a DIY type of guy.
I read a article about him moving from his house and he loaded the truck himself, went to Home Depot and bought lumber to build ( yup, I built that myself ) crating to move his furniture.
103 posted on 10/11/2012 9:54:43 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: muir_redwoods
If Romney turns out to be a decent President and turns out alright... I do now apologize for all the bad and nasty things I have said about him.... I was wrong.. I am sorry.

I am a cross over voter....

Anything is better than BOZO !
104 posted on 10/11/2012 9:57:12 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Lazamataz

Sounds good to me...


105 posted on 10/11/2012 9:59:30 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: muir_redwoods

No matter if it’s Mitt Romney or any other President with any other name, the next president will be faced with such a huge task unlike anyone has ever seen since George Washington faced the task of keeping the Revolutionary War and Cause together.


106 posted on 10/11/2012 10:05:13 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Lazamataz

Thanks for the ping Laz. Good job.


107 posted on 10/11/2012 10:34:31 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He’ll probably be somewhere between Bush 41/43 and Reagan.

Yup. Great quickie analysis. I am starting to think that MAYBE he is closer on that sliding scale to Reagan than Bush (either one). Possibly a lot closer to Reagan...

108 posted on 10/11/2012 10:38:54 PM PDT by America_Right (I am the 53%. Please get out of the cart and help me pull for a while.)
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To: Lazamataz
It's worth gambling on.

Not that you have a realistic choice.

But I pretty much agree with your post.

Quoth supply sider Larry Kudlow last March, "One can seriously ask whether Romney isn’t the most conservative presidential candidate since Ronald Reagan."

109 posted on 10/11/2012 10:43:33 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Lazamataz
No, the critical takeaway from this debate, for me, was the not-insignificant mention of the 10th Amendment!

That actually undermines your argument. Romney cites the 10th to differentiate RomneyCare from ObamaCare. E.g., states can mandate the individual, the federal government cannot. Hence, no need for him to abjure RomneyCare. I heard him advance that argument multiply before the primaries, when asked if he stood behind his Massachusetts opus. I figured it precluded his nomination. I was wrong. And, indeed, the argument got shot down (but only after he'd sewed up the nomination): the mandate is a tax, not a penalty (or whatever Chief Justice John Roberts's drivel stated). But he's the nominee.

So, in any case, the above is historical trivia! Obama must be ousted!! Romey/Ryan must be supported enthusiastically and without reservation!

110 posted on 10/11/2012 10:58:20 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: garjog

Romney destroyed Obama pretty bad in the first debate.

I hope he brings his A-game to the second and third ones to destroy him twice more.


111 posted on 10/11/2012 11:00:00 PM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: Lazamataz

Good job, Laz.


112 posted on 10/11/2012 11:08:13 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank you for the Ping!


113 posted on 10/11/2012 11:10:14 PM PDT by Kitty Mittens (To God Be All Excellent Praise!)
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To: MNJohnnie
Once 2016 rolls around the Judiciary will be so packed with Obamabots anything Conservatives DID manage to legislate would simply be undone by Judicial Fiat.

If Obama is reelected there will be nothing left to win.

Over the course of the years I have disagreed with many of your posts. Many I have agreed with, many I have not. It makes no difference. You are who you are and I am who I am.

Nevertheless, your simple statement is as profound and as accurate as any that I have read in all my years here.

FReegards, -Elliott.

114 posted on 10/11/2012 11:18:12 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
He sure convinced me that he wants to be POTUS so much, he’ll say anything...

Durn AMPU...you know how them mormons are! They'll say ANYTHING!

115 posted on 10/11/2012 11:23:12 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Kitty Mittens

I love your screen name.


116 posted on 10/12/2012 12:26:01 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz

117 posted on 10/12/2012 12:31:03 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: American Constitutionalist

I tend bar a couple of days a week, and I’m ABSOLUT-ly sure that is a bottle of water in front of them.


118 posted on 10/12/2012 12:37:06 AM PDT by ConservativeChris (I feel like Marvin Boggs!)
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To: Lazamataz

It was that “shout-out” to the 10th Amendment that also grabbed my attention. I don’t think that I’ve ever heard a presidential candidate talk about that forgotten bit of the Bill of rights.


119 posted on 10/12/2012 12:40:06 AM PDT by Redcloak (A founding member of Drunkards for Romney)
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To: Lazamataz
Thank you, Lazamataz!
I Enjoyed Reading your Article; you Made Many Good Points.
120 posted on 10/12/2012 12:55:49 AM PDT by Kitty Mittens (To God Be All Excellent Praise!)
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To: ConservativeChris
" I tend bar a couple of days a week, and I’m ABSOLUT-ly sure that is a bottle of water in front of them. "

It's confirmed then, that proves it, one of them is a Alaskan KingCrab Boat Captain.. no doubt about it.
121 posted on 10/12/2012 1:15:07 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Lazamataz
In Massachussettes, Romney had to play ball with liberals to get anything done at all.

Here in lies the problem for me. This is the same old "good boy" attitude that currently exists in our government. We need to break this "bad habit".
That's why I'm liking Ryan, he wants to. And he's been a thorn in the side of the democRats these last few years.

122 posted on 10/12/2012 4:26:19 AM PDT by beachn4fun ("2008 to 2011, lesson learned; 2012, mistake corrected." Artur Davis)
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To: TADSLOS
The best this nation can expect from a Romney administration is a momentary step back from the abyss.

See my tagline...

123 posted on 10/12/2012 4:55:41 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: houeto

True that


124 posted on 10/12/2012 4:55:59 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Sorry, gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: skeeter
"I'll break my arm pulling the lever for Romney, fully expecting he'll disappoint me at some point. I despise Obama that much."

skeeter, I'd break my arm voting for the name that a dart hit on a wind-blown phone book over Obama.

Heck, at least we would have a chance that person loves this country a little.

125 posted on 10/12/2012 5:00:56 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Lazamataz

I love the pictorial comment! HIlarious.


126 posted on 10/12/2012 5:05:47 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Lazamataz

I love the pictorial comment! HIlarious.


127 posted on 10/12/2012 5:06:02 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: bigheadfred
I saw the demeanor of the 2 wives predebate. And I knew Romney was going to SMOKE o's butt.

I'll take June Cleaver over Angry Black Woman any day.

But we don't vote for wives.

128 posted on 10/12/2012 6:11:36 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Lazamataz

LOL. Great graphic to go along with the article. I would like to believe, but we’ve seen how badly CINO’s can screw us over as they play footsie with democrats and other socialists in order to appear “reasonable”.


129 posted on 10/12/2012 6:36:50 AM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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To: MNJohnnie; Lazamataz; Jim Robinson

"And those around here who feel their political sour grapes from the 2012 GOP Primaries are more important then [sic] the future of our country will have been the active allies of that destruction. "

And may well prove to be the agents of destruction of FR, itself.

Look around: many of the fine FRNames who made FR and its activism great and effective are no longer active on FR. And the likelihood of having enough donors to provide servers capable of dealing with election night looks pretty slim...

~~~~~~~~~~~

Laz, thanks for this ray of hope!

130 posted on 10/12/2012 8:08:27 AM PDT by TXnMA (EPITAPH: (if FR dies) "Committed suicide over 'principles'"...)
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To: Lazamataz

Agree with your points. I saw many of the same things.


131 posted on 10/12/2012 8:22:02 AM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: MNJohnnie; houeto; Lazamataz

“...what he is a pragmatic business man. We will have to work daily to keep his feet to the fire but he will listen to us. Obama will work tirelessly against us.”

Exactly, Houeto.

And many thanks for the hopeful vanity Laz.

May God keep watch.
Tatt


132 posted on 10/12/2012 8:35:55 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: Lazamataz

I still don’t like or trust Romney. As of this second, I can’t see myself voting for him (ok, technically, his slate of electors), but as I live in Maryland, my Presidential vote is rather an academic question anyway.

However, I have to say I have been impressed by his campaign so far, and I expect it will crescendo into the first week of November. If so, I may find myself changing my mind and casting a Romney vote, just to reward good behavior.


133 posted on 10/12/2012 8:44:51 AM PDT by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Lazamataz

I still don’t like or trust Romney. As of this second, I can’t see myself voting for him (ok, technically, his slate of electors), but as I live in Maryland, my Presidential vote is rather an academic question anyway.

However, I have to say I have been impressed by his campaign so far, and I expect it will crescendo into the first week of November. If so, I may find myself changing my mind and casting a Romney vote, just to reward good behavior.


134 posted on 10/12/2012 8:45:06 AM PDT by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
LOL.

Truly.

135 posted on 10/12/2012 9:00:30 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Lazamataz

Thanks for sharing your insights, dear Laz!


136 posted on 10/12/2012 9:00:42 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

I still love you!


137 posted on 10/12/2012 9:03:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: ansel12

Hey man, I got your back on that other thread against the troll, but this post tells me you are still wayyyyy out there.


138 posted on 10/12/2012 9:05:18 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz

bttt, trying to see if I can get this buzzing again....


139 posted on 10/12/2012 10:02:45 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Old Sarge
But we don't vote for wives.

All I'm saying is Mrs. Romney looked like she was sitting in church. The wookie looked like she was sitting in a bar.

140 posted on 10/12/2012 11:27:44 AM PDT by bigheadfred ( I will stand with the CHRISTIANS should the political winds shift in an ugly direction)
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To: Lazamataz
The candidates' opinion of the Constitution is striking, to be sure: little barry bastard faggot commie considers the Constitution a hindrance to what he wants for his Amerika, while Romney appears to hold the Constitution as the standard to which we ought focus.

Kudos on citing this not so nuanced difference in the two ...

141 posted on 10/12/2012 11:50:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: thesearethetimes...; MNJohnnie

That was Johnnie’s writing, not mine. Credit where credit is due.


142 posted on 10/12/2012 1:29:59 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: skeeter

I met him in person twice and I like him.

At a min... He beats the day lights out of the alternative.


143 posted on 10/12/2012 2:20:23 PM PDT by WomBom ("I read Free Republic for the pictures")
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To: bigheadfred

Oh, that sounds like a PUN coming!

“So this wookie walks into a bar; the bartender says, ‘Your usual, Mrs. O?’”


144 posted on 10/12/2012 2:26:06 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Lazamataz; 2ndDivisionVet; onyx; stephenjohnbanker; mkjessup; xzins
I happened to go see Breitbart two weeks before he died, it was while there was still a competitive primary, Newt was rising, and so was Santorum. He said something I wouldn't forget, being an anti-Mitt FR type. He said it to everyone, every kind of conservative was there, people for each one of the more than half dozen declared candidates were there, lots of good solid types to see him and Michelle Malkin.

He said: Work like Hell for the candidate you want, work your butt off, but in the end, if you do not coalesce around the winner, then you are culpable for all the evil that will be done by this most crass, most divisive, most destructive and most radical administration ever.

It took me a while to get over Mitt winning, but in the end Breibart's impassioned plea hit me. I became an ABO, plain and simple. It became a no brainer: a RINO squish that I didn't trust nor care for, versus one of the faces of evil in our time. Every single candidate I admired for one reason or another, those that I supported had come to this position: Palin, Cain, Newt, Perry, Santorum, Bachmann

I took a lot of flack during the time prior to Jim Rob coming to the same realization (about 6 weeks), people pinged him and moderators trying to ban me, I have been called a Mitt bot, a Mitt lover, and lots worse. Most days I would log on expecting to be zot meat.

Like you, I have to admit Romney has surprised me in lots of ways. He has not tacked to the middle, not hardly at all. He has defended free enterprise, liberty, religious freedom, family values, pro-life causes and a strong military. He is fighting an uphill battle against the MSM, not to mention some of the stalwart hold outs here on FR.

I have no illusions that Romney won't disappoint us if he wins; I can handle disappointment, just not the wholesale destruction of the Bambi administration. If he turns out better, I would be the first to cheer, but right now, there is a choice: One of two people will be elected, and Romney's not near as bad as the extremists paint him, and Bambi is far worse than anything I can imagine with a record to prove it.

Like I say: Welcome. Good post.

145 posted on 10/12/2012 2:59:08 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Pagey

read tonight bump


146 posted on 10/12/2012 3:29:14 PM PDT by Pagey (B. Hussein Obama is weak, and is a worse human being than F.D.R., on multiple levels.)
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To: Old Sarge

...and she says not today...something to get that burned taste out...

...and she says yeah...old crow...


147 posted on 10/12/2012 4:45:42 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( I will stand with the CHRISTIANS should the political winds shift in an ugly direction)
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To: Lazamataz
Color me skeptical about working with the enemy should we capture the House and Senate, but okay.

If we capture the House AND Senate, there will be no need to do so. But in MA, he had Democrats in control of the Legislature.

148 posted on 10/12/2012 5:09:07 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Lazamataz

Hey Laz! I trust you are fully recovered from last weekend by now. Please add me to your ping list. I promise to be more *regular* in checking my pings.


149 posted on 10/12/2012 7:48:05 PM PDT by Peanut Gallery
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To: Lazamataz

*Smooch* and {{{hug}}}


150 posted on 10/12/2012 7:50:05 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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