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Curiouser And Curiouser: Romney Surprises Us.
Free Republic Original Content | October 11, 2012 | by Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 10/11/2012 5:14:48 PM PDT by Lazamataz

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To: The Wizard

I have mixed feelings, which I have compromised on:

Initially I strongly supported Sarah Palin.

When she bowed out, I was crushed, but then I threw my support to Mitt Romney.

Now I see a small possibility, the two of them could oppose each other in four years.

Let’s see how Mitt does.


151 posted on 10/12/2012 7:56:35 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Lazamataz
Well, Buckeye looked on as I made a can dance from 10 to 25 yards, hitting 9 out of 10 shots with a Glock.

You hit it!

152 posted on 10/12/2012 8:15:52 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: Lazamataz; All

Johnsoncare/Hillarycare/Romneycare/Obamacare/Totalitariancare...lack of choices...MANDATES...attack on freedom. What the government gives you on the one hand...it can take from you with the other hand.

Not 1 politician has slowed down this TOTALITARIAN leviathan.

A 10th amendment totalitarian is no different than a commerce clause collectivist.

It’s all TREASON to “free” people.

OMG (Obama Muat Go)

Delayed response, Laz. Thanks for the ping/post.


153 posted on 10/12/2012 8:36:10 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Lazamataz

Hear! Hear! I swore I would never pull the lever for Romney. Never. Ever. No way Jose.

He got the nomination and I was bitter. Then I watched the Obamanation at work to do his best to further the destruction of this country by executive fiat and realized I had no choice.

I cannot sit idly by and not do my part to get that rat bastid commie out of our Whitehouse. I find that crow actually tastes pretty good with a hunk of gruyere volcano bread washed down with a few dressed Dos Equis.


154 posted on 10/12/2012 10:06:28 PM PDT by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: Lazamataz

FWIW- I listened to the debate on the car radio. It started 1/2 way thru my 2hr commute home. I couldn’t handle more than 20mins. 2 guys arguing- not TALKING!

Politics......One guy wears a (D) and one wears a (R). The plane is breaking apart but we think what letter the pilot is wearing on his hat makes a difference.

Obama sucks.

Romney is no better. He’s just different.

Obama will “F*** this country UP!” - IF he gets another term.

Same with Romney, probably, if HE gets 2 terms.

I’m not voting FOR Romney. I’m voting against Obama. No way CA doesn’t go to Obama. My popular vote is of no consequence here. UNLESS..... I can cast my vote as a protest that will get noticed and that MIGHT make an impact on Romney- IF he gets elected.

Would voting FOR Romney do that?
Nope.

Only one way to do that- vote 3rd party. In my case, the Libertarians are the CLOSEST to what I believe. Not the same, but close.

If Obama wins, it doesn’t matter. But, if Romney wins, MAYBE, just maybe, he’ll notice that me and a bunch of others would rather cast our meaningless vote for ALMOST anyone other than HIM. And that we will , again, when HIS re-election comes around.

We are NOT well-served by these 2 parties.

Time to serve them notice.


155 posted on 10/12/2012 10:38:17 PM PDT by REDWOOD99 ("Everyone should pay taxes. Everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Lakeshark; Lazamataz; 2ndDivisionVet; onyx; stephenjohnbanker; mkjessup; bigheadfred; P-Marlowe; ...
He said: Work like Hell for the candidate you want, work your butt off, but in the end, if you do not coalesce around the winner, then you are culpable for all the evil that will be done by this most crass, most divisive, most destructive and most radical administration ever.

I have no reason to change my view on Romney until I've seen him live up to his word. It's possible in a 2nd term he might get my vote provided he actually is pro-life, doesn't advance a homosexualist agenda, and does not come up with bi-partisan gun control legislation.

Until then: Jehoshaphat's alliances. 2 Chronicles 17 to 20

On the other hand, except on those occasions when Romney strays into his liberalism, I will spend my time attacking Obama. The greater enemy of my lesser enemy is still my greater enemy.

156 posted on 10/13/2012 4:51:19 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Perhaps you should read something more current than Chronicles and develop a truer feel for the present


157 posted on 10/13/2012 4:55:23 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: bert

Why?

It’s not as if I’m not an avid, long-time reader and conservative supporter on Free Republic for these past 14 years who reads countless articles, books, etc., almost continually.


158 posted on 10/13/2012 5:09:01 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Here's the problem: Even in those areas you claim are most important, abortion and gays, the current administration is totally trustworthy to be the most extreme group ever for the things you say you hate. They have a record, proof that they hate and want to change everything you say you love. Mitt isn't a true conservative, but he's nowhere near that.

Breitbart was right. If you allow this man and his minions to stay you will be culpable for everything they do.

Sorry, you should rethink before you make a horrendous mistake.

159 posted on 10/13/2012 5:38:59 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: bert; xzins
Perhaps you should read something more current than Chronicles and develop a truer feel for the present

That is one sad statement.

160 posted on 10/13/2012 5:51:05 AM PDT by bigheadfred ( I will stand with the CHRISTIANS should the political winds shift in an ugly direction)
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To: Lazamataz
I am proud of our Presidential ticket. They are honorable honest humble men. They deserve the support of every God fearing Patriotic American.
161 posted on 10/13/2012 5:52:20 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: PGalt
I actually saw the beginning of the Leviathan waaaaay back in Reagan's second term. I was working at Xerox, and the War on Drugs was flexing new muscles: Civil forfeiture. It was already a 'prove your innocence' deal, and I flipped. I posted stuff on the bulletin board (the FIRST version of Free Republic) about where this would lead. I got no response, positive or negative.

The modern totalitarian state can mark it's beginning there. I don't think it was Reagan's doing -- it was late in his term and he was faltering -- I think it was that execrable globalist George H.W. Bush's doing.

162 posted on 10/13/2012 6:23:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: bert; xzins

bert, you know I love ya, but I gotta side with xzins here. The Bible is timeless.


163 posted on 10/13/2012 6:24:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: SCalGal; BuckeyeTexan
"Well, Buckeye looked on as I made a can dance from 10 to 25 yards, hitting 9 out of 10 shots with a Glock."

You hit it!

And Buckeye Texan watched!

(I'd say she's a voyeur, but she hit it quite a bit herself) XD

164 posted on 10/13/2012 6:26:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Peanut Gallery

You are added, sugarplum!


165 posted on 10/13/2012 6:32:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz
Xerox?

Utah Binger Xerox 1967-1980

166 posted on 10/13/2012 6:40:25 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger

Missed ya by about 13-15 years. :)


167 posted on 10/13/2012 6:50:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lakeshark

Read the 2 Chronicles link and you’ll see why I cannot.


168 posted on 10/13/2012 6:58:03 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Lazamataz

Xeroids everywhere.


169 posted on 10/13/2012 7:09:06 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: xzins
Did you vote for Reagan?

Try Romans 3 starting at vs 9 for a while after you realize Reagan was just as flawed.

170 posted on 10/13/2012 7:16:15 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: bigheadfred; Lazamataz; Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe; Lakeshark; betty boop

You both are correct about the bible. Any argument against one claiming to take a biblical stand should be a more biblical stand.

As I understand her, and I truly do not wish to put words in her mouth, Alamo-girl believes Romney’s support of Israela and Obama’s obvious disdain for Israel to be justification for supporting Romney. (God’s statement to Israel that “those who bless you, I will bless; those who curse you, I will curse.)

We have discussed it, and I respect her position. My response to her has to do with Jeremiah’s opposition to Judah during the days when Nebuchadnezzar was amidst his campaign that conquered Judah.

Jehoshaphat’s reign explains my concern for sinful alliances.

Now, does this discussion become moot in the face of Obama’s ineptitude with Libya, the economy...even life?

It is true — I was believing God for a greater deliverance than that offered by Mitt Romney. Who knows what would have grown and come to pass had we not placed our hopes on an unrighteous alliance.


171 posted on 10/13/2012 7:18:24 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Lakeshark

Lakeshark, I think you are a solid conservative. We have had our disagreements. I would seriously disagree with you about Reagan. There is no comparing the two men, there is only contrasting.

Romans is a wonderful treatise on the grace of God in the lives of sinful by nature humans. That, however, does not mean that I would make a good decision as a pastor if I put a former embezzlar in place as the church treasurer. I would expect God to call that person to a different ministry.


172 posted on 10/13/2012 7:23:44 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

The only solution to this entire mess is to give Laz a machine gun. I recommend an HK MP5, suppressed.


173 posted on 10/13/2012 7:23:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz

I am still a fan of the claymore.

(the exploding kind)


174 posted on 10/13/2012 7:25:55 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Reagan signed an abortion law while governor that was worse than anything Romney did as governor.

We only know he changed because he became president, his record did not show him to be pro-life, only his promises. At the point of the first vote for him we didn't know.

We do tragically know Bambi's record and positions on abortion, gays, pro-muzzie beliefs, anti-Christian attitudes (forcing us to pay for aborion, etc.) and they are for worse than your church treasurer embezzlement straw man.

You seem to not comprehend how distinctly different the two candidates actually are. Messily impure versus the face of evil on everything you claim to love.

175 posted on 10/13/2012 7:32:08 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: tnlibertarian

That’s the key and that’s what changed my mind. Romney loves our country and that’s exactly what we need in a President right now.


176 posted on 10/13/2012 7:41:45 AM PDT by CityCenter (It's too late, Obama yeah, it's too late.)
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To: Lazamataz; xzins
The only solution to this entire mess is to give Laz a machine gun.

Share-zees or I'm telling mom.

And it is pretty simple, Laz. If I don't vote for Romney then all of obama's (sins) will be my fault (blood on my hands). If I vote for Romney then what I decided when I was 11 is meaningless (my Faith in God and Jesus Christ) and I once again have (blood on my hands). Sooo, for me personally, I am going to wait for you to hand me that machine gun, cause I don't think that day can be avoided for all of us. Weird as it sounds, that blood on my hands I can accept.

177 posted on 10/13/2012 7:52:17 AM PDT by bigheadfred ( I will stand with the CHRISTIANS should the political winds shift in an ugly direction)
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To: bigheadfred

I gotchya now. Thx for the clarification....


178 posted on 10/13/2012 7:53:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz
Where was I? oh yeah..."Gods of the season...
Lead me to my next in-ci-dent"... ;-))
179 posted on 10/13/2012 8:06:06 AM PDT by bigheadfred ( I will stand with the CHRISTIANS should the political winds shift in an ugly direction)
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To: Lakeshark

Reagan contrasted with Romney: Reagan realized he was wrong and never went that way again.

Romney was pro-choice, pro-life, pro-choice, pro-life, then pro-rape, incest life, and the pro-rape/incest/life/health, and then pro rape/incest/life.

So, there’s really no comparison.


180 posted on 10/13/2012 9:42:44 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins



181 posted on 10/13/2012 9:50:28 AM PDT by o2bfree (All us minorities got us an Obamaphone!!!)
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To: Lazamataz

“Yes, I know I misspelled ‘Massachusetts’.”

Didn’t you know that they changed the spelling to “MACHUSETTS” when JFK was elected? ‘Cause the ASS went to Washington. (My uncle actually told that in the pulput once!)


182 posted on 10/13/2012 9:50:45 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Lakeshark

I should have added my caveat from the last few days: if Romney lives up to his word in his first administration, then I’ll support him.

However, I want to see it first.

In the meantime, I prefer not to discuss his failings. I would much rather spend my time attacking Obama.


183 posted on 10/13/2012 9:53:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Zins, you exaggerate. Yes, he ran as a pro-choicer, but he hasn't waffled since he changed in 2006.

Reagan was willing to sign a bill overturning Roe v Wade with the very exceptions you are complaining about, and would have got it but the very same exception Romney calls for today became a stumbling block for purist pro-lifers. Reagan would have signed it, it would have become law, but purists stopped it.

Why is that different?

From what I am reading, you wouldn't vote for Reagan in 1980 if you had the same standards then. You know Reagan was true to his word only because he continued that way as president, not because of his record which was worse than Romney's. That you wouldn't give Romney the same chance to prove himself, when you KNOW what his opposition will do is simply foolishness.

Is this because Romney's a Mormon? Please answer straight because your logic isn't holding water.

184 posted on 10/13/2012 1:02:38 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: xzins
I give you this: you do attack Bambi, unlike a few others here that I have dubbed Axelrod conservatives.

Fwiw, the only attack that will be effective is to remove him from office. The only way you can do that is to vote for Romney.

If you allow this truly evil administration to stay in office you will be ashamed for the rest of your life (or should be).

185 posted on 10/13/2012 1:05:51 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark

A Mormon president is not an issue for me. I have spoken to this at many points since Romney’s first run for the presidency, so I repeat it here. I have no religious test for the president. (The reservation, of course, being that we are speaking of a reasonbable religions. I would not support a president who worships Ba’al or Appolyon.)


186 posted on 10/13/2012 8:53:19 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Lakeshark

Lake, I don’t exaggerate about Reagan’s record, nor Romney’s.

Besides, with Reagan we are talking 1967 before the national conversation on this subject. We are also talking about a 3 network media in 1967 that we learned long afterwards contained radical liberals clandestinely pushing the nation to the destination at which we’ve now arrived.

The only group prepared to discuss abortion in 1967 was the Catholic Church and even it was caught flat-footed.

Roe v Wade hadn’t even happened yet, and at the time the exceptions mentioned all were incorporated under “health of the mother” which everyone parsed to “life of the mother”.

The Conscience of a Nation” represents Reagan’s mature understanding of abortion and life. I recall him braving an entirely hostile media AND “hip” culture with his arguement that we should err on the side of life if there’s doubt about the beginning of life. I even remember the gulping sound in his voice when he spoke those lines.

He was a brave man to tackle that head on the way he did.


187 posted on 10/13/2012 8:59:22 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins; bigheadfred; Lazamataz; P-Marlowe; Lakeshark; betty boop
As I understand her, and I truly do not wish to put words in her mouth, Alamo-girl believes Romney’s support of Israela and Obama’s obvious disdain for Israel to be justification for supporting Romney. (God’s statement to Israel that “those who bless you, I will bless; those who curse you, I will curse.)

You are correct, dear brother in Christ, that is what I said.

The Obama administration is the most anti-Israel, anti-Christianity and pro-Islam I've ever known.

It is true — I was believing God for a greater deliverance than that offered by Mitt Romney. Who knows what would have grown and come to pass had we not placed our hopes on an unrighteous alliance.

I was, too. I wanted a President who would lead on his knees before God. But I'm also confident that God has heard our prayers and will work everything together for the good for all of us who love Him.

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. - Romans 8:28

God's Name is I AM.

188 posted on 10/13/2012 10:32:22 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thank you, Sister. I was concerned about presenting your position fairly.

Ro 8:28 is true consolation in the face of any missteps we might take in life. Thank you for responding.


189 posted on 10/14/2012 3:07:58 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Lazamataz

Like all in house political debates, when the fighting stops and the smoke clears, we are still on the same side.

There is but two things that keep me in the Republican party, defense of the unborn, and marriage between a man and a woman.

The day the Republican establishment succeeds in removing those items from the platform, will be the day I forever become a voting Independent.

Other then being Pro-Life & the defense of traditional marriage, all else is meaningless. I say so, because the moment a person or party goes against God’s most vulnerable creatures, or his institution of marriage is the moment a Christian cannot support them any longer.

Christians cannot, and must not ever support abortion or gay marriage. If they do so, they are not a Christian. It’s as simple as that, because it all starts and ends with a heart for God’s commands.

That being said, if Romney does one thing to extend any help to the pro-choice crowd or to normalize same sex marriage in his administration, he is toast to me, and he should be for all Christians.

All else can be negotiated without going against God’s commands.


190 posted on 10/14/2012 9:42:04 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Lazamataz

BTTT for Sunday crew.


191 posted on 10/14/2012 11:06:21 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: xzins; Alamo-Girl
I think you exaggerate in both cases. Reagan before he was president was unclear concerning his pro-life commitment as a result of his record. In the end he became a genuine warrior for life; yet it is true, he urged the GOP and all pro-lifers to accept the compromise proposed to vote out Roe V Wade., the same compromise you claim won't allow yourself to vote for Romney.

The fact is, you know there is only one way to get rid of Bambi. The fact is clear, this administration is the most pro-death (and pro-everything you say you hate), destructive group ever, yet you pick at this as though somehow the two people are the same. They're not remotely the same.

Reagan was a great president, but when we first voted for him we didn't know how stalwart he would be, what a great warrior for all that is good and right. Just so you know, and this is a fact: In the 80's, he urged people to vote for a bill he said he would sign that included the exception of the health of the mother, then when the purists were winning on the GOP side, he chided them with his famous "Don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good" speech.

I would suggest you could say "Don't let the fear of the unknown (and you do not know) get in the way of taking out the total evil you do know."

If you don't help take him out when you can, it will be hard to live down the evil he and his minions will perpetrate on us all.

192 posted on 10/14/2012 12:06:43 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: xzins
Ro 8:28 is true consolation in the face of any missteps we might take in life.

Indeed. Praise God!!!

193 posted on 10/14/2012 7:51:16 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Lakeshark

Thank you for sharing your views, dear Lakeshark!


194 posted on 10/14/2012 7:55:56 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Lakeshark; Alamo-Girl
Just so you know, and this is a fact: In the 80's, he (President Reagan) urged people to vote for a bill he said he would sign that included the exception of the health of the mother, then when the purists were winning on the GOP side, he chided them with his famous "Don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good" speech.

Please provide a link to that information. I've looked high and low and can't find it even mentioned anyplace at all.

195 posted on 10/15/2012 6:32:44 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins; Alamo-Girl
Zins, sorry but I don't have a link because it came from my memory and not something I read recently.

I clearly remember when this happened because Reagan was my first vote ever for president, I was a newly minted pro-lifer (meaning the official cause) as well and I followed the news fairly regularly. It was so startling to me when the bill failed, I think it was the only time pro-life legislation could have been passed before or since and it was an attempt to overturn Roe V Wade.

I don't remember if his speech was exhorting pro-lifers to change their purist tactics or because he was so disappointed that they had already failed in doing so.

196 posted on 10/15/2012 4:30:58 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark

Lake, I’ve respected the way you’ve been fair with me in our conversations. I have every reason to give you the benefit of the doubt. At the same time, the same venerable gentleman, iirc, said: “Trust...but verify.”

To repeat, I’m not particularly interested in tearing down Romney at this point. I no longer see a 2-front war as viable. Therefore, I’m concentrating my fire on the Obama front.

I have no regrets beyond what could have been.


197 posted on 10/15/2012 4:37:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
I agree whole heartedly about concentrating on the Bambi front and "what could have been".

In twenty-twenty hindsight none of the conservative candidates could break out from the others, and unfortunately it was Romney who waltzed in and benefited as the conservative circular firing squad kept up its rounds. "We have met the enemy and it is us."

It is what it is, we have a candidate we don't particularly trust. He is trying to unseat what I consider to be the most evil and destructive administration of our lives, and for that reason alone I fall in line. More often than not I have been pleasantly surprised by Romney's campaign pronouncements, but it will take a track record in office for them to gain my trust.

198 posted on 10/16/2012 4:53:11 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark

Thank you for sharing your insights, dear Lakeshark!


199 posted on 10/16/2012 11:02:00 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Lazamataz

I just keep on imagining the announcement no more Bama.

and the cheering that follows!


200 posted on 10/18/2012 4:17:17 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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