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Quite the work.
1 posted on 10/13/2012 4:13:39 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII
The really great mystery is why this vendetta is being pursued at all.

Armstrong's critics have the perfect set-up...he can never “prove” his innocence and the critics can accuse endlessly.
I ask anyone to prove they did not take an injection years ago.
Having been in such a situation where to be accused is be considered guilty I can tell you it's maddening.

2 posted on 10/13/2012 4:37:53 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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All those years and never a misstep.......how convenient for the accuser.


3 posted on 10/13/2012 4:41:50 AM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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How do you get rid of your competitors?

Ya know...I don't care what meds he was using...He wworked every day of his life at this, rode his butt off and won.

IMHO: They're all using something.

4 posted on 10/13/2012 4:49:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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I wonder how much this investigation has cost, or perhaps wasted, is the better word. And who ends up paying for it.


5 posted on 10/13/2012 5:03:32 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: GonzoII
athletes took doses that would keep their hematocrit (a measure of the volume percentage of blood made up of red blood cells) in a plausible range (below 50 percent),

"Plausable Range" meaning a level that an athlete could possibly have on their own without the need of a "boost"? A drug readily on the market and accessible to all cyclists?

Maybe that would explain how other riders were able to out distance Armstrong and win many of the TDF stages or at least keep up with him on the stages he did win - which in 2003 and 2005 was only one.

By gosh, that's it - they were ALL doped up!

Now that they've brought down Armstrong, I think it's time they go after Miguel Indurain......

6 posted on 10/13/2012 5:09:49 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab him with a harpoon.....)
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They have no actual proof but since everyone believes it it must be true. The only witnesses is his ex-wife and people who have a vendetta against him. Pretty weak case.

Pray for America


8 posted on 10/13/2012 5:20:38 AM PDT by bray (Islam- A billion medieval savages can't be wrong!)
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Blood doping appears to be almost universal among professional cyclists. If one believes USADA. Based on sworn affidavits from cyclists, I could be a believer, but...

What do they propose as a solution? I haven’t seen anything other than a desire to go after US riders, which then leaves the US looking like a bad guy and in racing, at a distinct disadvantage to others.

If indeed they are “all doing it”, then it still comes down to who is the better rider and team tacticians as far as major wins are concerned. So, it appears to me that the rather benign efforts to marginally improve the bodies ability to recover from injury, and improve the oxygen holding capacity of the blood, are just factors of the competition. Not sure how this will all shake out, but it is beginning to look like the fed efforts to control Marijuana, leading to very high cost, and unintended consequences for absolutely no gain.


10 posted on 10/13/2012 5:35:25 AM PDT by wita
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ALL of that was done for YEARS and not one positive or misstep?

What about his 30% larger heart? Training?

It is easy to find guilt when a Defendant is prohibited from producing a defense


17 posted on 10/13/2012 6:32:50 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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They have been after Armstrong since day ONE! Especially the French. How dare an American win THEIR Tour de France?

THEY HAVE NO PROOF! They NEVER have had any. (Roger Clemens).

18 posted on 10/13/2012 6:47:02 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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Frankly, I don't get it. As a biologist I clearly understand the physiological and pharmacokinetic aspects of all such practices.

But sport is merely entertainment. If a 'Professional' athlete wants to increase his RBC count, take iron supplements, inject anabolic steroids, and he understands the risks, then let him. Isn't the goal bigger, faster, stronger?

I understand the inherent risks associated with these practices, and I wouldn't want to see young amateurs subjecting themselves to harm, but if a 'Professional' athlete wants to assume these risks for financial gain and to better entertain the people that like to see 500 foot home runs and 100 yards punts, and 400 yard drives, then let him. It's just entertainment. Don't take it so seriously that your head explodes.

19 posted on 10/13/2012 6:47:59 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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How the witch hunt was conducted.

The entire article is built on “May”, “Could”, “If”, “Might”.

Sounds like they dreamed up ways someone might have beaten the tests then decided Armstrong must have done it.
Because after all, he kept winning, didn’t he?


20 posted on 10/13/2012 7:10:21 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few, and let another take his office.")
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I’ll grant there are plenty of exceptions, but as a group, there aren’t many folks more self-righteous than cyclists. I find it amusing that at the highest level they may all be cheats.


21 posted on 10/13/2012 7:21:26 AM PDT by Stosh
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you know, if they just want to ride the route and not follow the rules, they don’t have to apply to follow the rules. just be like “professional” wrestling, ride the route fast and say you are better than the ones that adhered to the rules.


23 posted on 10/13/2012 7:24:21 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Armstong’s biggest problem here was himself. He was (and is) just a vindictive asshole. You have to be a really big jerk to come off that way in your own autobiography. Had he been a likeable person who demonstrated fierce loyalty to his team members and staff over the years, they would have kept their mouths shut and fought to support him. As it ended up, they couldn’t trip over themselves fast enough to turn him in.

I say this as a huge Armstrong fan, and an avid cyclist myself. If anything, he leveled the playing field for himself by using these substances as the sport is rife with it. But Armstrong in the end was his own worst enemy.


25 posted on 10/13/2012 7:55:39 AM PDT by Magnatron
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a lot of allegations and theory but no proof at all. doesn’t seem right


27 posted on 10/13/2012 8:23:37 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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Nothing but a waste of taxpayer money to illegally target a private citizen for government slander.


34 posted on 10/13/2012 9:07:33 AM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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