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Scientists to simulate human brain inside a supercomputer(666?)
CNN ^ | 10/13/2012 | CNN

Posted on 10/13/2012 1:19:43 PM PDT by Dallas59

(CNN) -- There's no escaping the fact that the Human Brain Project, with its billion-dollar plan to recreate the human mind inside a supercomputer, sounds like a science fiction nightmare.

But those involved hope their ambitious goal of simulating the tangle of neurons and synapses that power our thought processes could offer solutions to tackling conditions such as depression, Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's.

The Human Brain venture is the next step in a long-running program that has already succeeded in using computers to create a virtual replica of part of a rat's neocortex -- a section of the brain believed to control higher functions such as conscious thought, movement and reasoning.

Scientists at its forerunner, the Switzerland-based Blue Brain Project, have been working since 2005 to feed a computer with vast quantities of data and algorithms produced from studying tiny slivers of rodent gray matter.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: brain; computers

1 posted on 10/13/2012 1:19:52 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59
"It is a step that will need both a huge increase in funding and access to computers so advanced that they have yet to be built." "If their current bid for €1 billion ($1.3 billion) of European Commission funding over the next 10 years is successful, Markram predicts that his computer neuroscientists are a decade away from producing a synthetic mind that could, in theory, talk and interact in the same way humans do."
2 posted on 10/13/2012 1:23:54 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Dallas59

This was already done a long time ago. HAL 9000.


3 posted on 10/13/2012 1:24:07 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Dallas59

But will it help cure socialism, Marxism, and liberalism?


4 posted on 10/13/2012 1:24:49 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Dallas59

http://www.amazon.com/Moon-Harsh-Mistress-Robert-Heinlein/dp/0312863551


5 posted on 10/13/2012 1:26:46 PM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: Dallas59
Don't know whether to name it Colossus or Joshua
6 posted on 10/13/2012 1:27:30 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: unixfox
But will it help cure socialism, Marxism, and liberalism?

No, it will merely perfect them.

Be afraid, be very, very afraid...

7 posted on 10/13/2012 1:28:45 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1362 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Dallas59
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8 posted on 10/13/2012 1:41:28 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Dallas59

Perhaps now we can get some decent AI in computer games.


9 posted on 10/13/2012 1:45:06 PM PDT by soupbone1
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To: Dallas59

Guffaw. I recently made a related argument in one of my philosophy courses for why AI is likely a pipe dream.

For this in particular, despite a great deal of knowledge that’s been accumulated under of the umbrella of cognitive neuroscience research, we still don’t know much about how a brain actually works (much less mind itself—the two are not necessarily equivalent phenomena).

Sounds like a nice waste of money at this point to attempt building functional models of brains inside of computers. Even if we possessed sufficient knowledge about how brains work, it may be the case that brains work in a way that could never be simulated in model via computers no matter how powerful, given the mathematical bounds of computability. At least not without introducing certain simplifying assumptions, simplifications which themselves may destroy the practical value of such a simulation.


10 posted on 10/13/2012 1:45:09 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Dallas59

As long as they don’t simulate a liberal’s brain, then they should be OK. Otherwise, the computer will eventually will be looking to join a union or demand free stuff.


11 posted on 10/13/2012 1:47:53 PM PDT by bushbuddy
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To: Dallas59

Unless it has a quantum mechanical component to it, it will just be a big computer.


12 posted on 10/13/2012 1:50:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: Dallas59

Skynet reference...


13 posted on 10/13/2012 1:55:35 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Dallas59

When will Skynet become self-aware???


14 posted on 10/13/2012 1:56:22 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: Dallas59

Won’t happen. They don’t know how the mind operates, so they won’t be able to simulate it.
What they will do, is mimic one aspect of the mind’s functioning, and then say they have succeeded.


15 posted on 10/13/2012 2:03:20 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Liberalism is a malfunction of the brain.)
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To: Pride in the USA
BenLinus, eyes
16 posted on 10/13/2012 2:05:03 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: I want the USA back
They can fiddle with the physics and mechanics of the mind all they want...similar to a satellite immitating.

But it will never be alive and will never have a soul.....the essence of man

17 posted on 10/13/2012 2:09:43 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: Traveler59
Don't know whether to name it Colossus or Joshua

considering they're starting with rat brains, it's a no-brainer (sorry).......BEN

18 posted on 10/13/2012 2:13:20 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab him with a harpoon.....)
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To: faucetman

As I remember, that ended badly.


19 posted on 10/13/2012 2:16:53 PM PDT by Twinkie (Live and let live.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Unless it has a quantum mechanical component to it, it will just be a big computer.
Classical computers can simulate quantum mechanics, just not that efficiently.
Here's a link to a discussion on whether quantum mechanics is central to simulating the brain.
20 posted on 10/13/2012 2:18:42 PM PDT by conservativefreak
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To: Dallas59
I wonder how the human will is represented in ones and zeros. The imagination. Apprehension. Universals.

There's no doubt in my mind that in the future man will be able to create machines that can mimick human behavior --to what degree is an open question.

But ones and zeros can never be more than ones and zeros, without an actual intelligence to interpret them.

21 posted on 10/13/2012 2:31:28 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Dallas59

“Hey, let me out of this !:$+@ machine!”


22 posted on 10/13/2012 2:38:21 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Why do blacks think that a half-white multi-millionairre really cares about them?)
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To: Dallas59

2009

“a cell-by-cell simulation of the human visual cortex: 1.6 billion virtual neurons connected by 9 trillion synapses. This computer simulation, as large as a cat’s brain”

“1.6 billion neurons at only one-six-hundredth the speed of a living brain. A second simulation, with 1 billion neurons, ran a little faster—but still only at one-eighty-third of normal brain speed.”

The computer took 1 million watts of power - the human brain uses 20.

“simulating the entire human cortex, about 25 billion neurons, at full speed. To do that, he’ll need to find 1000 times more computing power. “

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/extreme-machines/4337190


23 posted on 10/13/2012 2:41:33 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: bushbuddy

The liberal human brain simulator has been done for a while now, it’s called the magic 8 ball.


24 posted on 10/13/2012 2:56:43 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Dallas59

They might well succeed simulating a conservative brain because it operates on logic. There are not enough logic gates in the universe to simulate a Commie Democrat brain. Democrat Commie brains can’t even understand reality; how in the world would you simulate that?


25 posted on 10/13/2012 2:58:17 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: conservativefreak
Classical computers can simulate quantum mechanics, just not that efficiently.

The operative word here is simulate in the sense of "approximate". Actual quantum mechanics is fraught with infinities which are gotten around via mathematical slight-of-hand designed to provide workable approximations to the hypothesized actual phenomena.

And even with these simplifications actual simulation of even the simplest quantum mechanical systems takes gargantuan amounts of computer resources. We are far, far away from being able to simulate anything as large as a single neuron at a quantum level, much less an actual brain.

But beyond that the science is backwards because it presumes that consciousness is an epiphenomenon of matter when quantum mechanics itself has told us repeatedly over the past century that matter is an emergent phenomenon of consciousness.

It's been well noted that AI has been the "next big thing" for 60 years and counting. These sort of projects make for great press, but don't hold your breath.

26 posted on 10/13/2012 3:00:50 PM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: Dallas59

The brain most likely is a quantum computer. Cant be simulated with current tech. Not even close. JMHO of course...


27 posted on 10/13/2012 3:02:49 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: faucetman
This was already done a long time ago. HAL 9000.

Yeah. How about Robo-cop? A least that would be more useful than just playing chess.

28 posted on 10/13/2012 3:12:25 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Dallas59

Until they can flood it with human hormones, they’ll never make human brain.


29 posted on 10/13/2012 5:25:31 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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