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Ryan Stuns Biden on Foreign Policy in Big Surprise of Vice Presidential Debate
New York Sun ^ | 12 Oct 2012 | Larry Kudlow

Posted on 10/13/2012 2:16:45 PM PDT by oblomov

The irony of ironies: The Biden-Ryan debate was more about foreign policy than the economy and jobs. Yet another irony: Paul Ryan, an expert on all things fiscal, disclosed a much better knowledge base of foreign policy than anyone thought existed. Shows how smart and well-rounded he really is.

Mr. Ryan’s Benghazi slam, right out of the chute, won him the debate. This terrorist attack is going to be a huge presidential-race issue. Americans are furious at the Obama-Biden-Clinton stupidity and mismanagement surrounding the tragic Benghazi deaths. They are enraged at the Benghazi cover-up. Mr. Ryan accused Mr. Biden of malfeasance in every aspect of this tragedy. It was a tremendous body slam right from the start.

Vice President Biden misled everyone with a string of falsehoods. He said the administration did not have complete intelligence at the start of the crisis. We now know they did have sufficient intelligence to realize that the killing of Ambassador Stevens and three others had nothing to do with spontaneous reactions to a YouTube video, and that it was a planned al-Qaeda attack.

Then Mr. Biden denied that the State Department asked the White House for stronger Benghazi security and was turned down on several occasions. But we know this to be true from various sources. We even know that State Department officials saw the Benghazi attack in real time. These untruths will dog Mr. Biden on the campaign trail.

The Benghazi round clearly went to Mr. Ryan. Later in the debate, when the discussion turned to Afghanistan, Iran, and Syria, Mr. Ryan went toe-to-toe with Mr. Biden, the supposed foreign-policy expert. He was every bit Mr. Biden’s equal and more, which is one of the surprising outcomes of this debate. The confidence factor in young Paul Ryan will rise as a result.

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biden; debate; kudlow; ryan
I disagree a bit with Kudlow. I think Ryan started off a bit shaky, but his performance grew stronger as the debate wore on.
1 posted on 10/13/2012 2:16:55 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: oblomov

I don’t think Kudlow was talking of delivery as much as content.
I honestly think we have lost the ability to LISTEN to what a person is saying as much as focusing on how they “ look” and what we “ see”.....
Maybe, just MAYBE AMERICANS are finally opening their ears! Sure hope so...


2 posted on 10/13/2012 2:21:55 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: oblomov

I don’t think Kudlow was talking of delivery as much as content.
I honestly think we have lost the ability to LISTEN to what a person is saying as much as focusing on how they “ look” and what we “ see”.....
Maybe, just MAYBE AMERICANS are finally opening their ears! Sure hope so...


3 posted on 10/13/2012 2:22:05 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: oblomov
It is worth noting that this debate centered around foreign policy, which should have heavily favored Biden. The story could easily have been that Ryan isn't ready to assume the presidency because he's a domestic policy exprt only, and yet the only question is whether Biden's misstatements will have an impact.

Ryan really isn't getting enough credit for his performance.

4 posted on 10/13/2012 2:26:01 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: pollywog

I believe it is very important for all FReepers to listen to the first 18 minutes of the podcast of Larry Kudlow’s show today. He interviews Ed Klein about BenghaziGate.

Essentially - Ed Klein told Kudlow that it seems that Obama is going to either have to deny what VP Biden said in the debate, or that he is going to have to try to hang it on State Dept and Hillary. Meanwhile, the Clinton’s are preparing legally for such an eventuality, and will eviscerate Obama if he tries to do that. They also went through how information goes up from agencies such as embassies, up through the chain of command, to the daily NSA briefings that the president gets (whether he reads or hears them or not). Quite a nice, detailed, yet concise account of the process.

Here is a link to the Kudlow Podcast page:
http://wabcradio.com/sectional.asp?id=33448

Please listen to the first 18 minutes.!!!


5 posted on 10/13/2012 2:34:49 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: oblomov

On composure alone, Paul Ryan came off looking good, in standing off a blustering bully who could not keep his facts or his face straight for ten seconds running.

Trying to shrug off what Joe Biden was doing, excusing it as “Joe just being Joe”, is to put lipstick on a pig, and calling it a ballerina. Joe was graceless, combative, and downright RUDE, and those were his GOOD qualities.

He was also stupid, uninformed, and completely WRONG on the few “facts” he managed to muster, and let the cat out of the bag on Benghazi, claiming the “intelligence community” had failed to keep the White House informed. If you never show up for briefings, how could ANYBODY be informed?

Plausible deniability does not apply here, this is DELIBERATELY remaining uninformed, therefore, everything is somebody else’s fault.

Valerie Jarrett knew EVERYTHING that was going on, as SHE never missed any of the briefings, yet she never passed the concerns on to either Obama or Biden. Of course, since she is the de facto President, and has made many if not most of the decisions in the name of the Oval Office, any onus should fall upon her the heaviest.


6 posted on 10/13/2012 2:36:46 PM PDT by alloysteel ("You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity".)
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To: pollywog; oblomov

I heard a piece in the last day or so claiming that “reporters” and “journalists” were pretty much agreeing that Ryan held his own or won the first 75 minutes of the debate. They thought Biden finally came through in the last 15.

That is remarkable given that the “experts” on that stage with regard to foreign policy were supposed to be Biden and the moderator, definitely not Ryan.


7 posted on 10/13/2012 2:38:57 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: pollywog

I was able to listen to a good portion of the debate on the radio and Ryan had some numbers, some solid information. Unfortunately, as another article has pointed out, too much of our population are “low information” voters and they don’t quite understand those numbers.


8 posted on 10/13/2012 2:41:37 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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To: AFPhys
Joe Biden's Gaffes Call For A Thorough Neurological Examination ~ Forbes

Henry I. Miller, a physician, and the Robert Wesson Fellow in Scientific Philosophy and Public Policy at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution,ASKS:

Don’t voters have a right to know whether Biden is ill or merely unlikeable, impulsive and prone to deceitfulness?

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9 posted on 10/13/2012 2:55:53 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee

Very interesting article. Uncle Joe’s behavior surely reminded me of some of the Alzheimer’s patients I have come across during my visits to nursing homes and other such locations, although when my dad had Alzheimer’s, that was not the way he exhibited.


10 posted on 10/13/2012 3:07:59 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: AFPhys
disease presents in various ways

Biden's son just has some mini strokes and Biden has twice has brain surgery to correct aneurysms

I think the chorus to see his medical records should begin

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11 posted on 10/13/2012 3:13:35 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee

Biden only showed up because it was Kentucky
and could get away with a “little” drinking.


12 posted on 10/13/2012 3:15:27 PM PDT by Morris70
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To: oblomov

Decide for yourself whether Biden was out of line – here are the 85 interruptions of Joe Biden:
https://vimeo.com/51308728


13 posted on 10/13/2012 5:55:20 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: oblomov
What's the surprise? He's been a Congressman for FOURTEEN years. Not everybody has Obama’s LACK of experience.
14 posted on 10/13/2012 6:44:37 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: oblomov

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15 posted on 10/13/2012 6:50:59 PM PDT by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: pollywog

I watched this phenomenon, when the word “vetted” worked itself into vogue. We’re seeing the next phase as “optics” becomes part of the vernacular. Corrupt language, corrupt government, it all goes hand-in-hand. This is not the country I grew up in.


16 posted on 10/13/2012 9:22:45 PM PDT by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: oblomov
I disagree a bit with Kudlow. I think Ryan started off a bit shaky, but his performance grew stronger as the debate wore on.

I disagree with you both, and award the debate to Biden. These are not "debates" in the sense that Albertus Magnus and Thomas Aquinas used the word. They are a three way cross between a high-school forensics contest, the Westminster dog show, and a WWF "Smackdown". Biden won because he bullied Ryan without effectively being "handled", and bullying is what counts with the slope-brows who are Obama's constituency and the Friday-night-wrestling fans who mostly constitute the "undecideds". Who, Karl Rove tells us, will decide the election.

The only thing Ryan has going for him is that, again, Rove's Holy Grail of 330,000 "undecided women" in 10 battleground States may give Ryan the benefit of the "diddums-wuzzums" factor and decide that Joe Biden was being a meanie.

17 posted on 10/13/2012 10:27:57 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: AFPhys
Uncle Joe’s behavior surely reminded me of some of the Alzheimer’s patients

May I disagree? I think Biden was just practicing some old-school, combative, personalizing Democratic politicking, of the kind resorted to regularly by pols like, say, Earl and Huey Long, Boss Vardaman, Theo Bilbo, Dick Daley I, and "Landslide Lint'n" Johnson.

18 posted on 10/13/2012 10:33:19 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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