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Vanity | 10/14/12 | Saoirise

Posted on 10/14/2012 8:15:29 PM PDT by Saoirise

Has anyone else received this survey in the mail in the last month?Allegedly it's from the census bureau and dept of commerce. The form asks very intrusive personal questions such as: "What time do you go to work? What time do you return from work? How much income do you earn?". I had never heard of this survey before so I didn't respond. A stranger showed up at my door and has left a couple of notes asking me to contact him to complete the survey. Get this - this alleged Government worker even contacted my HOA's Management Co and had them get in contact with me to return his call.

Any thoughts or advice at this point is greatly appreciated.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: census; orwellian; survey; vanity
Can they (census bureau/dept of commerce) force me to respond to the survey? PS its approx a 10 page survey and I feel like I am dealing with Newman from Seinfeld.
1 posted on 10/14/2012 8:15:36 PM PDT by Saoirise
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To: Saoirise

I use it for bathroom tissue when I run low, otherwise fire starter works.

Got 5 of them. Even when I move, I get them.

They call and bug you, might even send a peeping tom over to try and fill it out for you.

No one has ever been charged with a crime that I know of for saying “FU” to them.


2 posted on 10/14/2012 8:19:00 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Saoirise

I’m very much looking forward to getting one of these so that I can shred it up and put it in the postage-paid envelope.


3 posted on 10/14/2012 8:21:08 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Saoirise

They will threaten, cajole, and try to contact neighbors about you.

While there is a statute on the books that says they can fine you, never ever heard of it happening.

If they catch you coming or going, ask for a card and tell the guy you will pass it along to those folks.

Lying to any gov’t worker these days is not a smart move, telling him the above is not a lie. Just ignore them, they will go away eventually.


4 posted on 10/14/2012 8:21:57 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Saoirise

Tell them to shove it.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/orwellian-american-community-survey?nopager=1


5 posted on 10/14/2012 8:23:18 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady ("When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Saoirise

why is a census being done in 2012/2013?


6 posted on 10/14/2012 8:25:41 PM PDT by Principled (Vote Romney to stop Obama. Vote for conservative Reps and Senators to stop Romney. [ZET 7/30/12])
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To: Saoirise

I got one in the mail months ago; I returned it unopened and put “Refused” on the envelope. I got about 50 or so calls from the Census Bureau leaving messages asking me to call.

I never did and I haven’t heard from them in the past couple of months.


7 posted on 10/14/2012 8:26:15 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Saoirise

They can’t make you take the survey. This issue has been brought up and discussed by a lot of people. I’ve read a lot about it, but my memory isn’t that great because I’d play cat and mouse with them. I have plenty of free time to do that. Bwhahahaha! One option is a “No Trespassing” sign and calling the police on them. I like the idea of putting a little fear into them. Or answering the door with my firearm holstered, and glancing at it with twitchy fingers. Another good idea is filling it out with a Sharpie marker- bleed through. Who knew? A crayon would be fun, too. I personally want the chance to use the 5 years of French I had and make them send a translator. I’m not sure I could pull off being deaf, mute and blind, but that might be a fun challenge. Then there is my German Shepherd from E. German blood lines with 10% wolf.... So many possibilities! Aww, crap! I think I dropped my thumb tacks by the front door and I think some neighborhood juvenile delinquent smeared Poison Ivy on my gate. (I wouldn’t really do that, but I do like to mentally mess with low IQ sheeple once in a while.)


8 posted on 10/14/2012 8:32:00 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: Saoirise

Tell your HOA, that they have zero permission to give your name and number to anyone (in California HOAs must have written permission to give your name and number out), throw the survey away.


9 posted on 10/14/2012 8:32:24 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Saoirise

No


10 posted on 10/14/2012 8:34:18 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Saoirise
Huge thread on this over at "Truth is Reason" (How to Legally Refuse to Participate in the Census Survey.

We've been fighting this BS for about 6 weeks now and they keep coming and coming. I started to fill out the survey but so pissed off I threw it away. Today my wife talked to the guy who showed up at the door at 6 PM on Sunday! She gave him minimal information and refused to answer about half the questions. I was working on sealing air ducts in the attic and yelling at her to say "no answer" as I could hear the exchange at the front door. He tried to confirm a phone number and I said we would take no calls and they shouldn't have a phone number as the survey is sent to an address, not a person. It really hacked me off they have our phone number. I understand from Truth is Reason that they use landlines instead of cells.

TIR also provides solid rationale for resisting, a form letter and a link to a questionnaire that you can present to the surveyor at your door asking them permissible questions.

The House of Representatives has passed legislation to stop the ACS, but it's going nowhere in the Senate. The dictator wannabes want to collect as much information about us as they can. It's much easier to round up resistors that way.

Excellent thread on FR from April 10, 2010:
American Community Survey (ACS) - Little known mandatory ongoing survey by the U.S. Census Bureau

Another shorter FR thread from :
"You are required by U.S. Law to respond to this survey"

Search FR for American Community Survey.

11 posted on 10/14/2012 8:38:46 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: wrench

“They will threaten, cajole, and try to contact neighbors about you.”

During the last census, a young girl came to my door and asked about my neighbors. All I knew was someone new had moved in, I knew nothing about them or how many were there. It was the truth. I do know someone who told a census worker they were just vacationing in the particular location. It was technically true, though it was a very long vacation. LOL. I love Hawaii!


12 posted on 10/14/2012 8:39:25 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: Saoirise

I’ve received these surveys before in off years. Never filled one out either, but then again, I dodged the last two official censuses too. Can’t trust the government anymore. How do I know what they will do with the answers I give them? And yes, the questions are intrusive.

They will try to get answers from your neighbors too. Another reason I don’t get chummy with my neighbors.


13 posted on 10/14/2012 8:41:44 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: pops88

“I personally want the chance to use the 5 years of French I had and make them send a translator.”

I just had the thought- if they show up with a French translator I’ll have my daughter answer the door and talk to them in German. I had no idea I had such a devious mind! I have no social life. This could be really fun.


14 posted on 10/14/2012 8:44:41 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: Saoirise

Got one a few years ago. (They appear to be covering the country slowly.) I thought it was incredibly intrusive so I never returned it. Nothing happened.


15 posted on 10/14/2012 8:48:51 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Saoirise

Who is John Galt..


16 posted on 10/14/2012 8:50:29 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Saoirise

Can’t have a census thread without this SNL Christopher Walken gem, Census Taker:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/4165


17 posted on 10/14/2012 8:54:41 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: pops88
One option is a “No Trespassing” sign and calling the police on them.

Actually a census worker can request a police escort to enable them to knock on your door.

18 posted on 10/14/2012 8:57:17 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Funny, because I know someone that had a “No Trespassing” sign, did call the police, and the census worker was escorted from the property. Maybe they lived in the South.


19 posted on 10/14/2012 9:04:35 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: Strategerist
Actually a census worker can request a police escort to enable them to knock on your door.

"Actually," huh?

A police escort?

Do they get lights and sirens, the whole shebang? God I hope so!

20 posted on 10/14/2012 9:10:26 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: wideminded
Got one a few years ago. (They appear to be covering the country slowly.)

There's no intent to cover all residences in the country, it's a random monthly sampling of addresses.

The reason for it is that things change year to year, and only having data every 10 years means data is pretty old by the time 9 years have passed.

The questions about time leaving for work, commute time, etc. are for road construction planning.

21 posted on 10/14/2012 9:10:55 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

“The reason for it is that things change year to year, and only having data every 10 years means data is pretty old by the time 9 years have passed.”

As much as I joke, I’m married to a pilot. I can’t even count the number of places I’ve lived. During our second or third year of marriage I tried and gave up at 44. I’ve now been married 18 years. I’d just be throwing a monkey wrench into the works and skewing their data.


22 posted on 10/14/2012 9:17:00 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Based on what I was told in training 10 years ago. Never had to do it.

We were told to ignore no trespassing signs.


23 posted on 10/14/2012 9:20:45 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Funny.

They never seem to ‘push’ us hillbillies.

I haven’t seen a census worker in decades.

[the first and only one, actually]

Ironically, I was a tester/hirer for the ‘80 census and when the enumerators would get back in, they’d always come to me and ask “WTF is WRONG with your people?!”

I always said “They don’t like outlanders askin’ nosy questions.”

Secretly, I laughed at their tales of terror involving ‘yard dogs’ and ‘shotguns’.

Then, years later, one pesky lady came around to “enumerate” *me*.

[ I was sitting on the old original ramshackle front porch, cleaning a squirrel rifle with chickens grazing in the yard and 2 Dobes lying on either side of me]

She stayed on the outside of the fence and kept BSing me until I told her I’d hired and fired people like her and knew what she could and couldn’t legally do or ask.

So she gave up and went away.

Far as I know, they’ve only managed to get my name and hubby’s name.

We don’t even get forms anymore.


24 posted on 10/14/2012 9:22:07 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: Strategerist

“The questions about time leaving for work, commute time, etc. are for road construction planning.”

Yeah.

I love having strangers knowing when I won’t be home, don’t you?


25 posted on 10/14/2012 9:23:42 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: Strategerist

“We were told to ignore no trespassing signs.”

You were lucky.

Ignoring them here is a serious mistake.


26 posted on 10/14/2012 9:25:38 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: Salamander
I've only owned a house for two censuses (censi?), but I've never received anything in the mail, nor had anyone visit.

Of course, my district went 80/20 for McCain last election, so I don't think fedggov idiots are in a big hurry to add me, or others like me, to the tally.

27 posted on 10/14/2012 9:32:34 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Strategerist

For road construction? Seriously?

I’d of thought all those engineers and village workers
could track that information.

I just am not believing that reason, sorry.


28 posted on 10/14/2012 9:33:44 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
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To: Saoirise

We responded. Aparantly they didn’t like many of my answers. (”I don’t know” and “too personal. refuse to answer.”)

They started calling. And calling. And calling.

I blocked the number. That lasted about a week, then the calls started up again with a new number. I blocked that, too. No issues for more than a month, then they called that again. I blocked that one.

So far, I haven’t heard from them in the last few weeks.

You’re right. The information is too personal. If I have to pull out last year’s tax return to answer, it’s too much.

What really irks me is that it plainly states on their website that they share this information with companies.


29 posted on 10/14/2012 9:39:47 PM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Strategerist

“We were told to ignore no trespassing signs.”

So you were told to ignore the law? When I was growing up, my sisters took me onto a neighbor’s property and then we discovered “No Trespassing” signs saying trespassers would be shot and citing the law number. I was about 5 and scared to death. I was sure we’d all be shot. If a sign is posted, you’re taking a crap shoot with your life. I could understand that as a 5 year old.


30 posted on 10/14/2012 9:40:05 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: Saoirise
I answer all census and census surveys with 2 homosapians and with red marksalot, “none of your fu..ing business”!
31 posted on 10/14/2012 9:44:52 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Saoirise

Yes, I received one two months ago and filled it out. There is nothing sinister about it.


32 posted on 10/14/2012 9:47:26 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Count yourself blessed...:)

[or blessed that you're uncounted...whichever]

Back in The Good Old Bad Days of Gov. Glendening, he just ignored W.MD *completely*.

O'Malice is trying to turn us into a tourist destination for liberal flatlanders.

Stuff like this is common, here.

We love it when the libs ask us for directions.

Sometimes, I wonder where they actually ended up, hours later.

33 posted on 10/14/2012 9:59:36 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

Me either.

OTOH, I’ve got no-joke warning signs, 24/7 CC security cams on DVR and nasty dogs on duty whether I’m home or not.

We’ve had two series of break ins all around my area lately and we were the only house not hit.

Imagine that.


34 posted on 10/14/2012 10:02:02 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: pops88
I keep the front gate locked so they can't get in the yard.

Then I answer the door with him charging out.

Even that weirdo who keeps trying to sell me steaks out of the back of his truck never comes around anymore.

35 posted on 10/14/2012 10:08:32 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: wideminded

My elderly mother “helpfully” filled out the d____d thing and sent it in for us !

All it takes is one person in the family to “cooperate” and all your privacy and also any firearms ,etc. etc. are at risk.

The government type know a woman in the house is much less likely to defy them.


36 posted on 10/14/2012 10:28:24 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Salamander

Things that make you smile.... If my dog ran to the front gate someone would have wet pants. Sadly, I’m just renting so there’s no lock. Does Poison Ivy grow in Nevada? I wonder if I could buy some from Gardener’s Supply...?


37 posted on 10/14/2012 10:29:00 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: pops88

Poison ivy, far as I know, grows just about everywhere.
And there’s always poison oak and Sumac.


38 posted on 10/14/2012 10:35:44 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: hoosierham

“The government type know a woman in the house is much less likely to defy them.”

LOL!

Some women, maybe.

:)


39 posted on 10/14/2012 10:37:17 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: hoosierham

“The government type know a woman in the house is much less likely to defy them.”

Oh, they’d much rather deal with hubby in this household. Don’t take on an aged ICU nurse from a world renowned university teaching hospital. I’ve biotch slapped the best and brightest. The census worker...cruel and unusual punishment meeting me. Hmmm, however my husband is a pilot and did reduce a Delta captain to tears in a bar once. I guess we both have our unique strengths.


40 posted on 10/14/2012 10:39:59 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Thanks for this info!


41 posted on 10/14/2012 10:52:20 PM PDT by Saoirise (1-20-2013 The end of an error)
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To: Saoirise
ALL - Thanks for the great info and tips, it really helps.

There was another note waiting for me when I returned home today.

42 posted on 10/14/2012 10:55:40 PM PDT by Saoirise (1-20-2013 The end of an error)
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To: dalereed

I had a self inking stamp made that said the same thing in RED ink.

stamped every question.

[grin]


43 posted on 10/14/2012 11:24:52 PM PDT by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: Saoirise

I threw it away three times, got phone calls twice and a visit from a representative while I was out. I called the Sheriff, who is a personal friend, and told him that they wee stalking me and I would like it to stop. Haven’t been bothered again since.


44 posted on 10/15/2012 1:13:26 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: Salamander

I wouldn’t even come close to your place - those are some scary-looking frogs there!


45 posted on 10/15/2012 2:00:57 AM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: 21twelve

LOLOL!


46 posted on 10/15/2012 2:09:12 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: Saoirise
Can they (census bureau/dept of commerce) force me to respond to the survey? PS its approx a 10 page survey and I feel like I am dealing with Newman from Seinfeld.

Before you can be legally required to respond, they must be able to legally prove you received it.

Did a cop or certified server deliver it to your door and did they have you sign a form you received it?

Was it delivered in person by a Dept of Commerce, and did they have you sign a form you received it?

Was it delivered certified or registered by the USPS and did they have you sign a form saying you received it?

If you answered no to these questions, toss it in the trash and, when asked, do your best impression of Sgt Schultz....

I know noth-INK!

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DISCLAIMER:
I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. I've just been studying it long enough to know the 3 methods of legal delivery, and some crap showing up in your mailbox like a piece of junk-mail AIN'T IT!

47 posted on 10/15/2012 6:28:54 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: pops88

Likely doesn’t mean all.

All the socialists need is 50% plus one vote to take office.


48 posted on 10/15/2012 6:44:09 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Saoirise

We dont open any mail from anyone other than a known acquaintance or someplace that we may owe money to; doctors, utilities, etc. Same goes for answering the landline phone, if it aint a number that I recognize, we dont answer it. Same goes for emails. Lots less irritants that way.


49 posted on 10/15/2012 7:56:56 AM PDT by rightly_dividing (really good tag line wanted here.)
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To: Saoirise

I only answered question 1 on the regular 2010 census form - the number of people at my residence. Then I got a visit from a census worker. Since I happened to be outside doing yard work, I couldn’t ignore him. He was persistent, but polite. Told him that the only answer he would get is the one that I answered on the form. Never heard back from anyone else.


50 posted on 10/15/2012 8:40:38 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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