Skip to comments.Was the attack on Benghazi an "October Surprise" gone bad?
Posted on 10/19/2012 8:09:15 AM PDT by Jeff Head
Folks, is it possible that the gruesome murder of our Ambassador in Benghazi was acutally the beginnings of an October surprize gone horribly awry?
I believe that somehow, because of all the unanswered questions there...because of the unbelievably chaotic and rushed manner in which the Obama administration tried to cover it up...and continued to cover it up well past all rational thinking would indicate that they were doing ss...and because of just common sense questions, questions like:
Tragically, there very well could have been people in our own government who knew about all of this.
Could it be that an "October Surprize" is what was really "supposed" to happen in Benghazi after the kidnapping. We would have seen an outraged Obama, stoked up and rightously indignant over this, on National TV claiming it would not be tolerated and that we would secure the release of Stevens. He would maybe even have "suspended his campaign to deal with it...for all Americans to see.
Then October would have been full of "that" story, and you can bet it would invariably lead to a Stevens release just before the election.
But because a couple of US Navy SEALS happened to be there contracted out on another unrelated State Department matter, and because a couple of other personnel (possibly CIA personnel) put up one hell of a fight against overwhelming odds...holding them off for 6 hours...that the terrorist plan (and potentially the entire "surprize") went bad.
The attackers got mad when many of their own were killed and wounded and they ended up killing Stevens and the SEALS and the other fellow that got seperated from the main group (who escaped...and whom alll should be carefully questioned regarding what they saw and heard) when they caught them.
Thus what was supposed to be a great moment for Obama in an arranged tough negotiation to save Ambassador Stevens (who himself would have had no clue about any of this and would never have gone along with it), turned into a gruesome murder instead.
Precisely because this was so horrible for America. Precisely because these questions remain unanswered. Presicely because 12 operations centers saw this in real time and no help was attempted. Presicely because of the umitigated lies, deceptions, and now cover-up of this administration. This entire affair should actually be absolutely front page news in the whole country until it is resolved, campaigns or not.
We have American blood on the ground and we potentially have those amongst us who at the very least are covering it up for political purposes because it does not fit their narrative...or who, at the worst may have helped to arrange it in an effort to create a new political narrative just before the election.
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FYI...as horrible as it may seam, this is something to think about.
This is quite possible. I first heard this theory a week ago.
Once again the Obama administration giving the American people the not so subtle, good ole one finger salute.
I pray so Jeff. This is a National disgrace !!
I agree. And don’t forget the pre-planned video to blame.
And don’t forget the unexpected presence of two SEALS that fought back. They weren’t supposed to be there. They “messed up” a likely pre-planned hostage situation that 0dumbo would solve.
If so none of the attackers, if identified, will be taken alive. Some know too much.
Or maybe the SEALS killed those who were supposed to get the Ambassador alive.
Do not forget, Fast and Furious was an attempt at gun control likely by executive order, and it went horribly wrong.
The October Surprise angle is very plausible with these manipulators controlling our government, complete with their lap-dog media.
Most of those were probably the producers updating and editing and fixing it as best they could...and then their family and friends.
With the Chicago Mob, anything is possible.
I think that is why NBC and MSNBC ran the story about the terrorist responsible for the attack on the Embassy thumbing his nose at America. I think he is being set up (willingly) to replace the Embassador in the trade for the Blind Sheik.
Now whether this story is truthful is another issue. I for one want to hear from the security guys who State says were there. Without starting a witchunt I think Issa should subpoena them and the vids and radio comms. My own feeling is that if five guys are tasked with protecting Stevens and Stevens winds up dead then some or all of those five should be lying beside him, like Randy Shuggart and Gary Gordon
Yes. The hidden story is that of this abomination of a regime arming al Quaeda. Fast and Furious, Middle Eastern edition.
That is beyond treasonous.
What you suggest is certainly possible, especially considering the chicago thugs with which Obama surrounds himself.
However, IMHO “never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity”.
Obama and his choom gang were (and are) single-mindedly focused on Obama’ re-election. Their entire world view and all of their behavior in the run-up to this tragedy were informed by that single, simple goal.
Embassy security was neglected out of pure sloppy management and focus on other things (the convention, the campaign).
Other than the fact that the islamofascists are ALWAYS predisposed to killing us, if there was anything that “set them off”, it wasn’t that retarded movie — it was parading bin Laden’s head on a pike around the ‘rat convention. But again, Obama and his genius advisors were focused on the election. The possibility of fallout from their spiking the bin Laden ball enver came up in their planning sessions.
Once the tragedy occurred, an explanation HAD to be found that let Obama and his administration off the hook. That’s really all that’s necessary to completely explain the ham-fisted coverup.
IMHO, those things, and not an October surprise conspiracy, are the “occam’s razor” explanation for what has occurred.
Just my 2c, and FRegards
The first comments out of Steven’s Libyan friends was ‘he was killed by his own puppets’.
The facts on the table are so bad for Obama you really don’t need to stretch the narrative.
Exaclty. The MSM is following the lead of the Administration and would be wholly unaware of the depths that this thing goes, if such a scenario were true. But they would cover for (as they have obviously been doing) Obama to the hilt because of their unbelievable bias.
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My hubby and I were talking this idea over last night and this scenario makes a lot of sense. I’ve a feeling there’s more sewage at the bottom of this rabbit hole than anyone can ever imagine. Praying for the mother of the murdered ambassador who still has been given no answers about her son’s death.
This is the most plausable scenario.
There are, at the very least, some very critical and very dark issues involved here. Answes that they are willing to abjectly lie about to the entire nation on the eve of a Presidential Election in order to keep them from being answered. That tells you right there that it is very, very bad.
I read that there is a possibility that all the weapons we managed to recover/buy back were the primary target. I do not doubt that kidnapping the ambassador was a part of the plan as well. I think the reason why the admin is willing to look like a doofus on all levels is because they do not want the real story of how they managed to lose everything they just bought
Two other things:
1) “Argo” was released simultaneously. (Film about rescuing American hostages in Iran 33 years ago).
2) Kennedy was questioned about the the Blind Sheik at a Congressional Hearing two weeks ago on Benghazzi. Setting up a Quid pro quo.
I think the theory needs to be rewritten with Stevens accidentally killed.
The part about jihadists getting mad and killing him doesn’t work. There’s no reason the plot couldn’t have gone on with little adjustment once they secured Stevens.
This might also explain why they already had that video in their hip pocket. It was to be the precipitating cause, and Obama’s grand diplomacy, Dempsey’s grand stand with pastor Jones, and the arrest of the video producer would have all been original parts of the plan.
Stevens came up dead, and they carried on with the plot, hoping some opportunity for some kind of negotiating would arise, but CNN screwed it all up with the release of the diary.
I don’t think anybody could be incompetent enough to “overlook” a 40-foot hole blown into a wall.
The advance steps taken to set this up are way beyond being explained by mere incompetence, IMHO.
We’ve got 90-year-old ladies having the choice between being scanned nude or having a rectal exam, just to get on an airplane.... and yet we “overlook” a 40-foot hole blown into the wall of our consulate in the most dangerous part of Libya?
Both Hillary and Obama need to be subpoenaed by Congress to testify under oath on these questions. Even if Obama would “find” the person who led this attack and assassinate him, it doesn’t undo what created this potential in the first place - or the cover-up afterwards. The arrest of the person who supposedly created that film just shows that the rule of law and truth are the casualties of a cover-up agenda. What else is the casualty of the agendas of this administration - especially in the last 2 months of the campaign?
If national security is too tempting as an “October surprise”, maybe we need to look at the President being removed from national security decisions in the 2-3 months before an election - for the sake of the nation. This is serious doo-doo, and the politicization of national security will eventually lead to another Twin Towers attack being successful, unless we do something to make it impossible for political games to be effective. The nation’s security is too important to become a pawn in a giant political chess game.
I tend to agree...clearly one of Obama’s flase narratives is that “Al Quida” is defanged because, after all, he killed Osama Bin LAden. This attack destrroys all of that and would leave them doing everything they could to keep it from America.
But that alone does not answer all of the questions leading up to this attack.
Why was Stevens even there? It was the 11th Anniversary of the 911 attacks and 11 is a Holy Number to the Islamics. Particularly when it is clear that Stevens was in fear of his own life? Why was he there? Who sent him there? Why was there no US security supplied for him?
If the false narrative about Al Quida is the answer, the Obama administration would simply have had everyone hunkered down in their embassy trying to avoid anything at all that could intice remaining al quida terrorists. He has an election to win and anything like this would have been an impediment. He would have avoided any chance of an event.
Also, why, after two attacks, very recently, particularly when the one in June blew a 40 ft hole in the wall (which was not repaired), was the small security team removed rom Benghazi? He did not need to do that to advance his narrative.
No, there are these and a number of other very critical questions that do not fit that particular “Occam’s Razor.”
And those questions simply must be answered.
All security-denial went through Hillary - she admitted it.
So why is this ignored?
Security-denial WAS the op!
I tend to agree, Matt...but read my post number 30. Some of the questions just are not answered at all by these Occam’s Razors.”
Also, it is now becoming more and more apparent that a botched kidnapping attaempt on the part of the terorrists was a very real potential...which further leads towards a potential Octrober Surprize.
Do you have a link for that?
If somebody could put together links to document all this stuff it would be very helpful.
My daughter talks about politics with her middle-school friends. One otherwise intelligent kid told her that the facts she was giving him were from the internet and probably created by some 10-year-old in his basement who doesn’t like Obama and made it all up to trash-talk him. Had no clue that there are Congressional investigations of both Fast & Furious and Benghazi. The kids and the mentally disabled are the people who are able to give us the most accurate picture of what the uninformed masses are picking up from the media. They pretty much tape-record the total of what they’ve heard and then play it for the world to hear.
She asked me to come up with documentation for this stuff, and right now that’s more than I can do because of other commitments. But if people could pitch in links for the outline you’ve created, Jeff, this could be a very important resource.
Quite horribly possible.
>> No, there are these and a number of other very critical questions that do not fit that particular Occams Razor.
Well, that could be.
On the other hand, your trail of logic presumes rational thinkers. (e.g. “Why was Stevens left unprotected at such an obviously dangerous time in such a risky place?”)
These people are NOT rational. They are high on “hopium”. They actually BELIEVE that the World Loves Them because they are Better Human Beings Than George Bush, and other such nonsense.
Again, Machivellian conniving *could* explain it... but “stuck on stupid” pretty well explains the whole thing, as well.
Unless more evidence surfaces, I’m going to have to stick with stupid. :-)
Ping per your prediction post. I believe this administration will become even more reckless and destructive over the coming weeks.
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Petraeus was actually on hand, attending an event at the Canadian Embassy and then watching the film alongside other prominent Washingtonians at the movie theater in Chinatown. Also in the crowd were Argo cast members John Goodman and Bryan Cranston, along with former Rep. Anthony Weiner and his wife, State Department official Huma Abedin. Affleck explained why he invited his good friend Abedin, who in turn brought along her husband. The reason why she is here, is she was instrumental in helping us shoot at the State Department, Affleck said. As you noticed, we shot at the real State Department ... our production designers were allowed to go inside and look at the seventh floor and recreate it.
Well it does fit the Obama MO to plan an October Surprise and then botch the execution.
That is very doubtful since there is supposedly(read this on another site today) a video of the ambassador flung over a back of a guy in the streets raising his hand to his eye.
The comment was something like..."that sort of defies gravity for a dead man".
If that is true then the ambassador's death was horrific and painful, not to mention a nightmare for this administration.
I believe Obama and his crew are much more capable and intelligent than you give them credit for. He has largely accomplished what he really set out to do, and that is to bring his “fundamental change” to America. it is no accident that the employment rate, the economic hardships, the decline in US foreign policy, etc. etc. are taking place and continuing. That was the plan...and an idiot did not accomplish it.
Just the same, those Benghazi questions, in either case have to be answered...and they continue to absolutely evade them. There is a reason for that, and the answeres will reveal a lot mnore about what really went on.
Until they are answered...all of this is on the table, and has to be if we are going to be open to the truth and willing to dig to find it. I cannot dismiss it all as simply stupid and leave it at that. The answers need to be had, either way.
And by the way... I’m groovin’ on the fact whether I’m right and the root cause is sheer stupidity... or YOU’RE right and it’s something sinister... either way this situation is a BIG lose-lose for Obama. At a *very* (shall we say) awkward time in his life. :-)
I’m just sorry that American lives were lost, needlessly. THAT I am NOT groovin’ on.
At first I thought this crazy talk. Now I'm not so sure.
Have you watched the video of the CNN interview with Mohammed Al Zawahiri, the brother of the Zawahiri, who was the Al Qaeda leader? The video did not air in the US, only in Canada. It’s supposed to be a peace proposal, but it is just a series of demands, the same demands that were issued by Osama Bin Laden, prior to the first 9/11 attacks.
My guess is that Obama was going to allow Stephens to be captured and then trade him for All the Islamic prisoners, as in the demands and capitulate to all the other demands, as well. Then Obama was going to claim that he had single handedly brought peace to the Middle East.
Or he has documented the plot and the White House knows if he dies the truth will come out. If so he is untouchable.
Anyone who believed such a plan could be set up and executed without anything “going wrong” had to be insane. Look at who would have to be trusted to do the kidnapping and the later release...what kind of people!
What would stop people like that from keeping the ambassador, not releasing him? Answer, nothing.
OR deliberately killing him AFTER pretending to go along with a kidnapping/release scheme? Answer, nothing.
And who would the person be who was trying to orchestrate all of this for Obama??
Would they have been working personally for Obama’s re-election, under the radar, OR, would they have had an official job with the American gov’t while pursuing this scheme for Obama on the side?
Just some questions that came to me when I tried to “imagine out” the scenario.
But they would have to be INSANE, whoever they were, to believe they could pull off such a plan, that they actually could’ve had control of events, when dealing with the people they would’ve had to deal with, to carry out the kidnapping and release.
The only thing I can think of, aside from that, is if a dummy operation were planned. That is, America, or Obama personally, had people who would pretend to be the kidnappers but could be counted on not to harm Stevens and to release him later.
But the dummy operation - if there was one - had to have ended up being CRASHED by real kidnappers or deliberate killers (depending on your POV).
Very bad neighborhood, eh?
Hannity indicated yesterday that he would be breaking big news about this story tonight on his show. We’ll see. Whatever it is...it is getting darker and worse for the President, as well it should.
Let’s try an experiment. Let’s blow a 40-foot hole in the White House wall and see if these people are stupid enough to ignore it.