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Was the attack on Benghazi an "October Surprise" gone bad?
JEFFHEAD.COM ^ | 19 October 2012 | Jeff Head

Posted on 10/19/2012 8:09:15 AM PDT by Jeff Head

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To: DManA
The facts on the table are so bad for Obama you really don’t need to stretch the narrative.

Perhaps.

Perhaps not.

Is there a jurisdiction on earth that hasn't had someone confess to a lesser crime that they did commit in order to prevent being charged with a much more severe crime?

51 posted on 10/19/2012 9:31:40 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1368 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: butterdezillion

Disclaimer: For illustrative purposes only. I am not suggesting anybody actually do this.


52 posted on 10/19/2012 9:35:12 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Jeff Head
I would put nothing past this administration. Nothing at all. They are desperate and have been for sometime now. I would love to see their internal polling data. Bob Beckel said they were finished. Obama knows this as does his ilk.

The US Consulate is located in the southern part of Benghazi, not far from the ocean. There are numerous routes of egress therefrom. Many options. None were taken. 6 hours is a long time. Fast movers could easily have been scrambled in such time. None were.

When early reports claimed the attackers were employing mortars, I knew then this was not a spontaneous demonstration gone bad. Rather, a planned, coordinated military type attack. Civilians make poor cannon-cockers.

Obi and company clearly dropped the ball on this one. Now doing damage control until post-election. With their ownership of the media, they may succeed...

53 posted on 10/19/2012 9:38:42 AM PDT by donozark (I was a Vietnam Veteran before it was popular...)
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To: Jeff Head
Although your thesis does unify actions in Egypt and Libya, why would AQ kill the guy facilitating supplying them weapons in Syria?
54 posted on 10/19/2012 9:39:23 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us choices: convert or kill, submit or die.)
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To: Jeff Head
Just a "few" links that support this idea that Benghazi was a failed Obama plot....

Benghazi Attack Was Botched Kidnapping To Trade Blind Sheik.
Western Journalism.com ^ | October 17, 2012 | Kris Zane
 

 

Weapons Hunting: The Reason for the 9-11 Murders in Libya

Monday, October 15, 2012 4:28:02 PM · by tsowellfan · 7 replies
 

Did Obama stage the Benghazi attack?

Monday, October 15, 2012 4:40:22 PM · by mgist · 40 replies

 

Two SEALs ruin October Surprise

Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:28:48 AM · by Kozy · 111 replies

 

The Benghazi Scandal

Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:12:48 AM · by 2ndDivisionVet · 53 replies

 

Leader Of Libya Attack Linked To Obama Donor

Monday, September 24, 2012 7:07:37 AM · by IbJensen · 14 replies

 

BENGHAZI-GATE: Post Threads Here for Cross Reference

Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:06:57 PM · by nanetteclaret · 48 replies

 

Col. Hunt On The Newest Libyan Revelations (huge coverup!)

Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:07:38 AM · by Gritty · 284 replies

 

Newt Gingrich: ‘Clear’ That Obama Team Had Biden Lie About Benghazi

Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:19:39 AM · by maggief · 31 replies

 

Did Obama deliberately try to stage a hostage taking in Benghazi as an “October Surprise”

Monday, October 08, 2012 7:34:49 PM · by RummyChick · 90 replies

 

Benghazi-Gate: A Timeline of Government Deceit, Deception, and Outright Lies

Saturday, September 29, 2012 7:28:03 PM · by nhwingut · 28 replies

 

Benghazi Worse than Watergate

Saturday, September 29, 2012 1:02:01 PM · by jazusamo · 41 replies

 

US Relied on Muslim Brotherhood for Benghazi Consulate Security

Friday, September 21, 2012 5:15:31 PM · by tobyhill · 23 replies

 

Giuliani suggests Libya cover-up by Pres. Obama (video at link)

Monday, October 15, 2012 4:54:59 PM · by tsowellfan · 3 replies


 

55 posted on 10/19/2012 9:50:44 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: butterdezillion

Purely as an academic thought experiment, of course.

Just explicitly saying it because there might be someone reading who is dead stupid, flat out evil, paid to protect with maximum violence and minimum reason the occupier of the White House against all enemies real or imagined, a DU lurker, member of the MSM, lacks any ability to discern humor or exaggeration or is all of the above...


56 posted on 10/19/2012 9:51:58 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1368 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Jeff Head; Kozy; Travis McGee; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK; Ernest_at_the_Beach; navyvet; BOBTHENAILER

The first I heard about this possibility came from a thread posted by Kozy:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2944654/posts

Two SEALs ruin October Surprise
Author ^ | 10/14/2012 | Kozy

Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:28:48 AM by Kozy

The murder of Ambassador Stevens at Benghazi is Obama’s October surprise gone bad thanks to two former SEALS who were not supposed to be at Benghazi. But then I ran to the end of the story so let’s back fill the datapoints.

First President Morsi first public statement to us was that he wanted the blind iman who first bombed the WTC released. Now Obama forever dedicated to appeasing the muslim world, bowing to them comes natural to him, knew that he had to obey Morsi’s request however he couldn’t release Omar Abdul-Rahman. There had to be a reason powerful enough to warrant his release. What better than to return to the Carter era of American hostages?

Obama sees a way to release the iman and secure his reelection in one act. So the wheels are set in motion. So he needed a cover story. Oh, the You Tube video that no one has seen, released in July. America could be shamed into releasing the iman because someone posted an obscure video and we have to follow Obama’s lead and bow to muslims.

Next weaken the security at Benghazi by removing the security teams and employing Libyan bodyguards for the ambassador. In effect the embassy could not defend itself. The back channel had to be from the WH to the iman’s legal representatives. It was suggested that Obama needed a reason to release the iman that America could agree to. What better than hostages? They were informed that there were no security forces at Benghazi to defend Stevens so over run the embassy and take him hostage. Really easy.

What was not planned for were former SEALS Donerty and Woods. They were not part of Stevens security detail; they happened to be in Benghazi working for the CIA to located missing surface-to-air missiles.

So the terrorists plan the assault on the embassy thinking there would be no resistance. Well two SEALS never back down from defending America and Americans. These two heros gave their lives fighting to protect our embassy and our ambassador. No telling how many peaceful muslim they transported to the after life however the terrorists who thought this was just a walk in the park protect now sought out the Americans to kill them not hold them captive. The over throw went from hostage taking to killing.

Now the WH knew the plan had blown up. There were no hostages only dead Americans. How to cover? Roll out the 14 minute video, no one has seen, as the cause. The WH cover up was in play.

With the killing of Ambassador Stevens, there could be no exchange, no October surprise. Oh what was the October surprise? Well Obama would spend a month negotiating with the terrorists for the release of Ambassador Stevens and finally and after his focused efforts on saving Stevens’ live, Stevens would be released just before the election. Obama would have sucked out all the energy from the campaign as everyone would be watching him, the Nobel Peace Prize winner, negotiate for the release of Stevens. The world would applaud him, the muslim would have their murderous iman back, he would be reelected and the destruction of America who go on.

We can only thank every day these SEALS for defending America with their lives.

A lot of datapoints, Benghazi, President Morsi, SEALS, blind iman, 14 minute You Tube video; withdrawal of security from embassy, October surprise and Obama’s October surprise.

Wonder which story makes more sense? Mine of the one the WH spins every day that keeps changing as the lies are exposed.


57 posted on 10/19/2012 10:10:21 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Jeff Head
Saved to media as a .doc file (w/ standard edits) and distributed to correspondents (w/ credit given).

58 posted on 10/19/2012 10:23:21 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Lady Heron
If that is true then the ambassador's death was horrific and painful, not to mention a nightmare for this administration.

If what I've read is correct, then his and their deaths would not bear discussion with a polite woman.

Of course, that's swimming against the stream of "police procedural" material that has flooded television for the last 12 years, that used to be confined, even by yellow-journal editors, to the police blotter and raw detective files.

59 posted on 10/19/2012 10:31:07 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Jeff Head
Whatever it is...it is getting darker and worse for the President, as well it should.

Concurring bump. Barky owes us a couple of consecutive life sentences in Leavenworth.

60 posted on 10/19/2012 10:33:50 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Jeff Head
God grant that we can get to the bottom of this

The bottom of this is the Obama/Jarrett/Axelrod triumvirate. There can be no other explanation. Hillary will get even!(Woman now scorned again)The prison in Illinois that Obama pushed thru will become a suitable retirement venue for the whole choom gang.

61 posted on 10/19/2012 10:40:24 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Jeff Head

Everybody keeps looking at this from the American side. Look at it from al-qaeda’s side. The tough thing about plans is that the enemy doesn’t have to follow your plan.


62 posted on 10/19/2012 10:47:40 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Jeff Head
Was the attack on Benghazi an "October Surprise" gone bad?

That is honestly the only thing that makes any sense!

The obvious denial of the requested increase in security is the tell. What else makes sense?


The pain you feel today is the strength you'll have tomorrow.

63 posted on 10/19/2012 11:57:43 AM PDT by rdb3 (Democrats: Once a slave owner, ALWAYS a slave owner!)
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To: Jeff Head; Noumenon; All
Another link to add to what is rapidly becoming Obama's Syrian Fast and Furious. This will make your blood boil if you haven't already seen this!
64 posted on 10/19/2012 1:22:21 PM PDT by ShorelineMike (Constituo, ergo sum.)
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To: Grampa Dave; Marine_Uncle; TigersEye; SunkenCiv; onyx
Thanks for the ping.

The delay in calling this an Act of Terror by Obama,...leaves a ton of questions as to WHY>>>>?

65 posted on 10/19/2012 2:12:59 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
RE: "The delay in calling this an Act of Terror by Obama,...leaves a ton of questions as to WHY>>>>?"

Perhaps Daryle Issa's committee will provide the answer in due time.
66 posted on 10/19/2012 2:25:05 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Jeff Head; Grampa Dave
Just in case you have not seen this:

McClatchy: Obama admin changed story on Benghazi to blame video 3 days after attack

67 posted on 10/19/2012 2:38:19 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Jeff Head

obama, Biden and Hillary should be impeached and tried for teason. Of course, the GOP are too whimpy to do it. They’re hoping the voters will remove them.


68 posted on 10/19/2012 3:19:16 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Sontagged; zencycler; bitt; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; ...

Thanks Ernest, Sontagged, zencycler, and bitt.
69 posted on 10/19/2012 5:23:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Lady Heron

Look closely at all the images, his arm is always in the same position. Due to rigor mortis imo.


70 posted on 10/19/2012 6:32:26 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Jeff Head

I agree.


71 posted on 10/19/2012 6:40:31 PM PDT by Kitty Mittens (To God Be All Excellent Praise!)
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To: Fred Nerks
Look at the arm not being held up by the guy in the crowd. The muscles are being use. He is alive. It takes hours before rigor mortis sets in. Besides his body is flopping around not suck in one position in the other pictures...no rigor.

I saw this picture the first day it was released and said something about that arm on Freerepublic that day, and not thinking him dead in that picture because of the muscle use. I did not realize they were talking about the same picture.

72 posted on 10/19/2012 7:08:20 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Lady Heron

the arm is in the same position in both images...maybe I am seeing what I want to see because at least if he's already dead when he was found, he might have escaped the horrific death Gaddafi suffered.

73 posted on 10/19/2012 7:24:33 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
There is another picture where they are starting to lift him or have just pulled him out of the window and a guy is lifting him with one of his arms. You see that the other arm in that picture is down but the muscles are taut, being used like he is starting to raise it.

So before your picture with an arm raised, there is another with the arm is down and looks like he is starting to raise it or use it, so not rigor.

My Comment on that picture on Sept. 12:

No, there is a photo before these where they are carrying him one by his arm and another person under his arm. His muscles are flexing in his arms in this picture and there is no blood on either side of his head. Because of the muscles in his arms flexing I was wondering if he was still alive at this point. One arm is being stretched by a person pulling on that arm so can be explained away but the other arm is also flexing and can not be explained that way.

The later photos show him dead, either being carried over someone's shoulder or laying down and there is blood and a gash on the head. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2929841/posts

Post 70

74 posted on 10/19/2012 7:40:59 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Fred Nerks
The photo on Drudge looks like his head is bloody and he is dead, where this one you can see he has been exposed to smoke. My question is was he still alive in this photo but not after the crowds had their chance at him?

Here is another from that same thread on Sept.12 post 38

75 posted on 10/19/2012 7:50:40 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: txrangerette
But they would have to be INSANE, whoever they were, to believe they could pull off such a plan, that they actually could’ve had control of events, when dealing with the people they would’ve had to deal with, to carry out the kidnapping and release.

Could it be that they live in an artificial world of Hollywood-supplied "experiences", where such plans actually do come off?

Liberals expect to be able to control all manner of things which are in no man's power, because they live insulated lives. Such illusions don't long survive contact with reality, which is why so many libs are found in occupations which shelter them from it (government, academia). A good stint of "cutting it" in the "real world" has a way of making one conservative, and not coincidentally unwilling to take such risks when so many factors are not controllable.

Besides which, liberals seem disposed to "use" people as means to a "greater" end, much like a farmer uses his livestock. After all, to them, we ARE animals, not beings created in God's image.

76 posted on 10/19/2012 8:25:21 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Jeff Head

Thanks for the ping, Ernest.

The Marxist would look WEAKER than Carter trying to pull an October surprise hostage taking and trade.

Sheeesh.

This was all about his political career. His Middle East policies are unconscionable failures.

Left-wingers in charge and they have no idea about Islamic terrorism. Muslims are nice. Outreach is all it takes in their fantasy world. The Marxist has a lofty opinion of himself that his own sorry self doesn’t deserve.

He’s a flown blown sociopath. He is blameless. Others failed.

Four dead Americans are bumps in the road or not optimal. He only fears and dreads the political fall out, hence the cover-up.

Plausible lies for Monday’s debate are being concocted at Camp David as I’m typing right now.


77 posted on 10/19/2012 8:26:47 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Lady Heron
Here is another from that same thread on Sept.12 post 38

How would I be able to find that? If you want to use images to make comparisons or or make a point, why don't you show it?

So far, from what I can see, it seems he died lying face down, shielding his head with his arm. Rigor motis commences within a few hours, it's progressive. The entire body doesn't stiffen all at once.

We will probably never agree. You want to be convinced he was tortured while still alive etc...and I prefer to see a man who is deceased in all images we have seen so far. I believe he died from smoke inhalation. Whatever they did, they did to a dead man.

78 posted on 10/19/2012 8:42:29 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Grampa Dave

After Brett Baer’s excellent documentary tonight on Fox abot “Death and Deceit ion Benghazi” we know a lot more details about the attack itslf.

I have updated my own site to agree. Here’s the story:

Late that September 11th evening in Benghazi the attackers rushed into the compound and the communications specialist saw it, yelling, “Attack, attack, attack,” into the microphone and activating the security alert system which turned the videos over to satellites so the other command centers could see it in real time. At no time on the videos, or according to the live reports from the communications building, or later testimony, was there any “demonstration,” or “spontaneous protest” that somehow turned into an attck. This was a dedicated and well coordinated attack from the beginning. At the time, when scores of attackers streamed onto the consulate grounds, there were only seven Americans at the consulate. Four security officers, one communications specialist, the Ambassador and one state department specialist.

A brave security officer in the main consulate building ushered the Ambassador and a State Department specialist into the safe room which was protected by thick concrete walls, a very massive, steel security gate, and a bending hallway back to a room where the three could “hunker down.” The attackers could not get into the safe room, so they burned the building with diesel fuel. The four other personnel could not get to the Ambassador in the main building because there were sinmply too many attackers and they were hold up themselves in two other buildings, now themselves armed with automatic weapons, kevlar vests and full battle gear. The one security officer with the ambassador pried one of the barred windows open enough to get out so they could escape the deadly smoke. When he went out, the Ambassador and other State Department individual did not follow. He went back in to try and find them but could not and was driven out by the thick smoke. He tried again, but could not locate them again. Later, after joining up with them, he and the other four individuals were reinforced by a few more Americans and some Libyan personnel from the American “Annex” building a mile away. At that point, many of the attackers had left. The Americans went back to the main building to try and find the Ambassador but only found the body of the other State Department officer. At that point they came under heavy attack agaain and they had to retreat, under fire, in an armored vehicle back to the Annex.

At the Annex the two Navy SEALS were working with eight other Americans and eighteen Libyan security personnel to defend it. It soon came under very heavy and sustained attack by mortars, grenades and automatic weapons fire from a large group. During this attack the two SEALS were killed and the original security officer who had been with the Ambassador was wounded severely. Later, a small reinforcement group arrived at the airport from Benghazi and they came to the Annex and altogether they were able to hold off that attack Afterwards, they decided that even larger and more sustained attacks were possible at any time and so the determined to abandon Benghazi and they all left for the airport.

In the mean time other Libyans, who had entered the consulate grounds and the main building supposedly found the body of the Ambassador. Ultimately he was taken to the Benghazi hospital where doctors tried to revive him to no avail. On the way out, his body was picked up and the entire group, and with all four bodies, they flew back to Tripoli.


79 posted on 10/19/2012 9:15:21 PM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Bookmarked.


80 posted on 10/19/2012 9:18:59 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: onyx
Watched the Britt Baer Special on Bengahzi tonight....very well done.

Learned about the compound...and the attack and more ...

Repeat on Foxnews at 1 AM EST.

He spend some time with Col Wood....and had a timeline for the time line after the event.

81 posted on 10/19/2012 9:23:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: donozark

See my post at 79

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2947212/posts?page=79#79

After the Special by Brett Baier on Fox tonight we know a lot more details about the attack.


82 posted on 10/19/2012 9:24:05 PM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Carry_Okie

They may not have thought he was in the building...now that we have a much more detailed account form those who were there. See:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2947212/posts?page=79#79

They then burned the building and that fire and smoke is what killed the Ambassador.


83 posted on 10/19/2012 9:26:04 PM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the details, Jeff.


84 posted on 10/19/2012 9:33:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: IMR 4350; Jeff Head; onyx; Fred Nerks; TigersEye; Marine_Uncle; Lady Heron
Based on what I saw in the Brett Baer special tonight ....I think we can discard "the attempted hostage gone bad"" theory.

The Seals were at the annex...the militants attacked the consultant first and came with diesel fuel and fired everything up without finding Stevens and Smith and an agent in the safe room.

some hours later they attacked the CIA annex and that is where the two Seals were killed.

The Special report is reasonably detailed in the attacks progressing thru the compound.

85 posted on 10/19/2012 9:41:22 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Agreed. See my post 79.


86 posted on 10/19/2012 9:43:52 PM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Grampa Dave
Based on the Foxnews special ,....the two Seals were at the CIA Annex....which was attacked some hours after the consultant was lit up and Stevens and Smith died from smoke inhalation in the safe room.

The pictures of Stevens were not shown in the report.

87 posted on 10/19/2012 9:47:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Like I said earlier on. Zee plot thickens. For those Freepers that may not be able to watch the Fox News Special Edition, it can be found here.
88 posted on 10/19/2012 9:48:17 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Fred Nerks
Well, if the ambassador died a couple of hours before the vermin realized he was in the safe room, then it is likely what we are seeing in the pictues is rigor mortis. I tend to agree the left arm crooked is an indication of rigor. Of course the autopsy will never be available to anyone outside of foggy bottom, so the insults to his body will not be made public thus protecting the false narrative that most Libyans in Benghazi are peaceful mooselimbs don'tchaknow, not necromancing degenerates.

I feel We The People are going to remove this lying bastard boy playing ay President. What saddens me immensely is that the pubbies lack the patriotism to prosecute many of the criminal enterprise who have been running America into the shitter for four years.

89 posted on 10/19/2012 9:49:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Fred Nerks
Well, if the ambassador died a couple of hours before the vermin realized he was in the safe room, then it is likely what we are seeing in the pictures is rigor mortis. I tend to agree the left arm crooked is an indication of rigor. Of course the autopsy will never be available to anyone outside of foggy bottom, so the insults to his body will not be made public thus protecting the false narrative that most Libyans in Benghazi are peaceful mooselimbs don'tchaknow, not necromancing degenerates.

I feel We The People are going to remove this lying bastard boy playing ay President. What saddens me immensely is that the pubbies lack the patriotism to prosecute many of the criminal enterprise who have been running America into the shitter for four years.

90 posted on 10/19/2012 9:49:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: wrench
"Do not forget, Fast and Furious was an attempt at gun control likely by executive order, and it went horribly wrong."

I was inclined to think it's just too crazy until I thought of F&F..... Still, there needs to be some strong supporting evidence.

91 posted on 10/19/2012 9:55:09 PM PDT by cookcounty ("When I speak, I say what I mean and I mean what I say!" ---Joe Biden, 10/11/2012)
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To: Jeff Head; Marine_Uncle
My comments are based on what I saw from the Foxnews special tonight.

It would be interesting to know what materials and sources they used in putting together the report.

For example the video tape you mention.

Based on what we heard from Col hunt....There are likely multiple copies of the video tapes from the various command centers.

If they are editing a tape and passing it off as unedited....I imagine that will be exposed at some time.

92 posted on 10/19/2012 10:06:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: MHGinTN
...What saddens me immensely is that the pubbies lack the patriotism to prosecute many of the criminal enterprise who have been running America into the shitter for four years.

As an Australian, that's something that really stands out to me and is impossible to understand. From here, it looks like you don't have, maybe never did have, an effective Opposition. Compared to your system, our Prime Minister walks on egg-shells. Every move, every word is open to scrutiny, and misteps are on the Nightly News in an instant. I expect that's a benefit of being a small country.

93 posted on 10/19/2012 10:29:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Well, the media was seen by our founders as a fourth branch of the original governing body. In our day, the media would be all over any misstep by a republican president or his administration (witness the Scooter Libby media crucifixion) but these same vermin, no longer a fourth estate have become the fifth column tool of the DNC anti-American agenda. It is why I keep saying guillotines from orbit, it’s the only way to clean up the infestation.


94 posted on 10/19/2012 10:35:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
RE: "some hours later they attacked the CIA annex and that is where the two Seals were killed."
Assuming the report is accurate in the tracing of the armed vehicle leaving the consulate area and making it's way northwestward to the "Annex".
Just for the record. I traced the route shown in this video and stopped it at the arrival point. The "Annex", that I had brought up with TigerEye yesterday.
Claims continue to be made that the "Annex" was about a mile away.
For the record. As I switch carefully between the Fox Report video stopping the video at various parts along the way performed by the armed vehicle destined for the "Annex", then switching into the google "Live Earth" web site, zeroed in on this area....
The final destination being the "Annex" was found after I did a "crows fly" line path from point x to y as being approx: 0.43 miles.
But to be fair. A bit of a mile over by the roads taken.

A mute point. I have been wondering just where the "Annex" was, and how many security/US (military personnel ?) might have been stationed.
I was dismayed at how few American or say British security and military, other, M6, CIA, where actually left in the land of the leader that loved his little green book.
And we are barely moving into what the whole deal's underlining mission(s) might have been, eg. recovery of the huge numbers of shoulder launched missiles and the now exposed facts coming out that the US team may have been there to expedite those weapons to some of the Syrian goons that are trying to unseat Basher Assad.
I'll leave it go at that. Tis late on the east coast. I really do have to get some sleep.
In leaving. Off course the tens of millions of those on the Federal freebies, and millions of ill informed Democrats in general, will never view and investigate what we do.

Hope and change is their earnest desire. Fools rush in where wise women and men never go.

95 posted on 10/19/2012 11:12:20 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Jeff Head
God grant that we can get to the bottom of this and avenge the deaths and enact justice against all involved, wherever that may lead.

Amen, Jeff...

96 posted on 10/19/2012 11:16:34 PM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz: Romney / Ryan 2012)
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To: Jeff Head

I have very little faith that the parasites currently infesting the White House and Congress will “get to the bottom of this”.


97 posted on 10/19/2012 11:24:35 PM PDT by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: Jeff Head
bump for later

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98 posted on 10/19/2012 11:51:43 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: MHGinTN

Whoops! I almost forgot...your media-fifth-column. It’s not in the News if no one reports it, or it spins to the Left. At least we still get both sides of the story...most of the time. The moment the Prime Minister opens her mouth, the Leader of the Opposition gets to say his piece.


99 posted on 10/19/2012 11:57:55 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
OK see if this link works, I am not very good at doing this. Sorry.

http://hillbuzz.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/551723_10151063840055954_1056722107_n.jpg?cda6c1

When I saw the picture it was a lot larger. Maybe you can find it elsewhere, it took me a while to find it.

It is not about convincing you. I do not really care, I am just questioning. There has been some talk that he was alive when pulled out from the rumor mill in the Middle East and that day this administration was saying he was pulled out dead.

I just looked at the pictures and saw a few things that I thought indicated he was alive. When the pictures are blown up you can see the muscle well, and no blood in the picture then the one in the hospital with the arm raise there is some blood when that picture is blown up.

I can not tell you one way or the other...those were just my observations, which could be way off in left field.

100 posted on 10/20/2012 1:23:16 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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