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Weighty Memento: War Veteran's Secret Revealed After His Death [Cremation Reveals Bagful of Metal]
Telegraph(UK) ^ | October 18, 2012

Posted on 10/19/2012 9:24:40 AM PDT by Steelfish

Weighty Memento: War Veteran's Secret Revealed After His Death The family of a war hero only discovered the full weight of his bravery after his death when his cremation left behind a huge pile of shrapnel. [Pic in URL]

The bag contained a whopping 6oz of bomb shrapnel, roughly two handfuls, that Mr Brown had been carrying around for 60 years 18 Oct 2012 Ronald Brown stepped on a land mine while on a mission in France in August 1944. The blast peppered his left leg with red-hot fragments and he was forced to crawl two miles to safety.

But because of medical conditions of the day it was thought safer to leave shrapnel in his body. He survived the war but only ever told his family the basic story and said the accident had left him with a 'bad knee'.

Mr Brown told loved ones he still had a 'bullet' in his leg and asked his grandchildren not to sit on his knee because of the pain it caused. But when he died last week aged 94 his family had him cremated and were stunned when staff handed them back a big bag of shrapnel.

The bag contained a whopping 6oz of bomb shrapnel that he had been carrying around for 60 years. Daughter Jane Madden, 55, of Exeter, Devon said her father told her there was a bullet in his knee from the war, never mentioning the pile of fragments. She said: "I don't think he ever realised all that was in his leg - it weighed about six ounces.

(snip) "But when we went to scatter his ashes we asked whether the bullet had been found and they gave us this bag full of metal.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 10/19/2012 9:24:45 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

The Greatest Generation

They didn’t whine and whimper, they went on with their lives.


2 posted on 10/19/2012 9:30:03 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Steelfish

Wow, you think he’d have suffered from lead poisoning long since.


3 posted on 10/19/2012 9:36:36 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Steelfish; Kathy in Alaska

Thought you might like to alert the Canteen to this!

God bless the WWII vets and all our heros.


4 posted on 10/19/2012 9:38:14 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: Venturer
"But he also spoke of how of the 900 original members of his regiment, only 29 came home from the front."

Dear Jesus. That's 3%.

5 posted on 10/19/2012 9:47:55 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: SMARTY

My understanding is that shrapnel is steel, not lead.


6 posted on 10/19/2012 9:48:00 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Squawk 8888
Go to the original article, they show an image of screws, nails and other things that you would find at your local hardware shop. Really amazing the guy could walk at all.
7 posted on 10/19/2012 9:52:16 AM PDT by Bruce Kurtz
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To: Squawk 8888
Shrapnel could obviously be steel. One dictionary gives this definition:

"a projectile that consists of a case provided with a powder charge and a large number of usually lead balls and that is exploded in flight

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shrapnel

8 posted on 10/19/2012 9:58:27 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Steelfish

After looking at some of the shrapnel, I’m shocked he didn’t have a severed vein or artery. By all rights the guy should have bled out on the battlefield.

What a great story, great guy. This article was a keeper.

Thanks.


9 posted on 10/19/2012 9:58:27 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: Bruce Kurtz

10 posted on 10/19/2012 10:00:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: Steelfish

Is that what mine fragments look like? Is it normal to find screws, nails and what looks like bent wires in a mine? Shouldn’t there be jagged case fragments? Just asking.


11 posted on 10/19/2012 10:31:45 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (We won't stand for biased umps fixing a ball game but we allow a biased media to fix elections.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Was that booby trap made by the IRA or the Weather Underground? looks like stuff from a hardware store, not shell fragments.


12 posted on 10/19/2012 10:35:53 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Hmm. That looks more like the bits you’d have left after burning a wooden casket.


13 posted on 10/19/2012 10:46:33 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (OVERTHROW OBAMA!)
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To: DoughtyOne

It might have been some kind of improvised device. Might even have been something the French Resistance set up and he got it by mistake.


14 posted on 10/19/2012 11:01:54 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: SMARTY
Wow, you think he’d have suffered from lead poisoning long since.

He stepped on a land mine which at the time were made of steel. The fragments were therefore steel not lead. Bullets used in military small arms of that era were "full metal jacket", so called "ball" ammunition. Ball ammunition exposes very little of the lead core and is designed to pass completely through a person, it does not "mushroom" or expand as does hunting ammunition. In any event, there was never a bullet involved with his injury since he asked his grandchildren not to sit on his knee because the mine fragments caused him pain.

Regards,
Gtg

15 posted on 10/19/2012 11:24:02 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Flag_This; Flatus I. Maximus

I think you folks are on to something there. I should have considered those thoughts myself.

IEDs could contain a bunch of crap, but a military device isn’t going to include those things.

That much mass could not remain inside the body IMO. At some point over the years, it would have to be addressed. Besides, that much mass would have probably taken the leg clear off, or both legs.

I try not to get taken to the cleaners, but here I believe I have.

In that pile is probably the true artifact. If they look intently, I’m sure they’ll find it.

Heck, I wouldn’t tell them what the truth here is. Let them think what they want. Their relative was a hero, and if this big pile lets them think the more-so, great.


16 posted on 10/19/2012 11:27:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: PLMerite

We might be able to tell by the shape of the screw heads. I’m fairly sure the 1940s era screws and the 2012 era screws would look different. These look pretty modern.

I think the ‘casket parts’ comment was probably fairly close to the winner here.

I still don’t think you’re totally out of the running, but I don’t think this guy would only be mentioning pain in the knee if all this was in there for 60-70 years.

Thanks for the response.


17 posted on 10/19/2012 11:32:05 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’d have to check on the screws to see if there’s a difference between old and modern, but as far as casket parts go, I always thought when they cremated someone they were transferred to cardboard “coffin.” No idea how they do it in the UK however.


18 posted on 10/19/2012 11:47:07 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: DoughtyOne
> That much mass could not remain inside the body IMO.

I think you're right. I had a late friend who caught a load of shrapnel in his legs from a Cong booby-trap. (The term IED hadn't been invented yet.) For the rest of his life he was going back to the VA hospital from time to time to get another piece removed, as it became a problem.

> Their relative was a hero, and if this big pile lets them think the more-so, great.

I second that. Amen.

19 posted on 10/19/2012 11:51:18 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (OVERTHROW OBAMA!)
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To: DoughtyOne

A lot of those bent wire pieces look like staples from a pneumatic stapler, like the one’s used for construction. Or they could be wire used to generate shrapnel from some sort of improvised mine. A landmine constructed from a wooden box and wrapped in fence wire could do some serious damage.


20 posted on 10/19/2012 11:59:44 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: PLMerite

I would think you’re right on the casket. The mass of the spent wood would probably be more than the human remains. I’m just trying to think of an alternative source, than his body for the bulk of it.


21 posted on 10/19/2012 12:11:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: Flatus I. Maximus

Thanks for the response. Yes, your friend’s story does sound like what I would expect here.

Take care.


22 posted on 10/19/2012 12:13:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: factoryrat

I tried to think of a wire source too. Perhaps something to wrap something like a box or casket. In your box scenario, it would seem the wire would blow in all directions if it was a wrapping. If the wire had been previously cut, I could see it blowing out, but it seems like that would have been in all directions too.

Some of those long pieces, couldn’t have entered the skin and remained inside. They could have been picked out of the resulting wound with little problem. They wouldn’t imbed at length submerged so as to be out of reach of forceps or another tool.


23 posted on 10/19/2012 12:17:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Doesn’t look like bomb shrapnel at all. More like surgical material to fix broken bones.


24 posted on 10/19/2012 12:29:31 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: DoughtyOne

Not intending any disrespect.

Phillips head screws were around during WWII?


25 posted on 10/19/2012 1:11:41 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

No offense taken.

Go down to the fourth paragraph here. In it, you’ll note they give Henry Phillips credit for the invention of the Phillip’s head screw in the early 1930s.

How broadly they were used outside motor vehicle plants, or over in Europe during that period is unkown to me.

http://inventors.about.com/od/sstartinventions/a/screwdriver.htm

Also referenced here: Cadillac adopted useage...

http://jalopnik.com/5913060/cadillac-was-a-screw-pioneer

Okay, I dug some more. Here is a link to a site that claims the introduction of the Phillip’s head screw to Europe was during WWII. U. S. military equipment introduced these screws to Europe.

My take is that these screws would probably not have been plentiful enough in Europe to be used in an IED design, or by the Germans. This may be incorrect, as it’s only my take on it.

http://www.marfas.com/phillips.shtml


26 posted on 10/19/2012 1:30:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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