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Sharyl Attkisson: Could U.S. military have helped during Libya attack?
CBS News ^ | October 20, 2012 | Sharyl Attkisson

Posted on 10/20/2012 4:55:25 AM PDT by maggief

(CBS News) The closer we get to the election, the harder Republicans in Congress are pushing for answers to a big question: What really happened in the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya last month that killed the U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans?

Some lawmakers are asking why U.S. military help from outside Libya didn't arrive as terrorists battered more than 30 Americans over the course of more than seven hours. The assault was launched by an armed mob of dozens that torched buildings and used rocket propelled grenades, mortars and AK-47 rifles.

CBS News has been told that, hours after the attack began, an unmanned Predator drone was sent over the U.S. mission in Benghazi, and that the drone and other reconnaissance aircraft apparently observed the final hours of the protracted battle.

The State Department, White House and Pentagon declined to say what military options were available. A White House official told CBS News that, at the start of the attack, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Martin Dempsey and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta "looked at available options, and the ones we exercised had our military forces arrive in less than 24 hours, well ahead of timelines laid out in established policies."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benghazi; election2012; impeachnow; libya; libyagate; shadowwars; threatmatrix; waronterror
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1 posted on 10/20/2012 4:55:30 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

No, military couldn’t help and what?


2 posted on 10/20/2012 4:58:45 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: maggief

CBS is the only lib network reporting on this.


3 posted on 10/20/2012 5:00:28 AM PDT by petercooper
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To: maggief

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2947603/posts

Incommunicado: House Armed Services chairman blocked from getting answers from senior military...
Washington Free Beacon ^ | 10/19/12 | Bill Gertz

Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2012 7:02:55 AM by markomalley

The chairman of the House Armed Services Committee is demanding answers from four senior United States military officers about whether there was advance warning of terrorist threats and the need for greater security prior to last month’s terrorist attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

However, an aide to the chairman, Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon, (R., Calif.), said the office of secretary of defense Leon Panetta blocked the senior officers from providing the answers last night.

(more on thread,)


4 posted on 10/20/2012 5:02:57 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason)
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To: cunning_fish

Are we learning anything new pieces of the timeline here?

*CBS News has been told that, hours after the attack began, an unmanned Predator drone was sent over the U.S. mission in Benghazi, and that the drone and other reconnaissance aircraft apparently observed the final hours of the protracted battle.

*A White House official told CBS News that, at the start of the attack, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Martin Dempsey and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta “looked at available options, and the ones we exercised had our military forces arrive in less than 24 hours, well ahead of timelines laid out in established policies.”

*CBS News has been told Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did seek clearances from Libya to fly in their airspace, but the administration won’t say anything further about what was said or decided on that front.


5 posted on 10/20/2012 5:03:58 AM PDT by maggief
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To: cunning_fish

For God’s Sake, we have an Amphibious Readiness Group on station in the Mediterranian with a Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) consisting of a Reinforced Marine Infantry Battalion, a composite Marine Aircraft Squadron (light & heavy Helos, Ospreys, Harriers), and a Marine Logistics Support Unit with 30 days supply of materiel and associated combat service support equipment.

Remember, this attack on the US Consulate/Embassy took place at about 9:30 PM (Local). That was 3:30 or 4:30 PM Eastern Standard Time. We had people in positions of authority to land the MEU just watching this debacle unfold.


6 posted on 10/20/2012 5:06:33 AM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: petercooper

Atkisson has some credibility because she was the only one willing to report on Fast and Furious.

Put what happened here into context with, say, “Black Hawk Down”, and you’ve got 2 SEALs holding off 200 militants for 6 hours because they received a call for help, and you’ve got everybody else in the Pentagon and intel agencies watching the whole thing going down with a live feed, the particular kind of military equipment meant to disperse crowds like the one there that are only an hour’s flight away, and nobody in DC doing a dang thing. Send a drone to take pictures? Why not a drone that could have actually done something to help?

Maybe the military people can make sense out of this for me, but this just seems wrong. Very wrong.


7 posted on 10/20/2012 5:09:49 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Joe Marine 76

Why do we have readiness groups, if we would never use them? If there was ever going to be a need to use them, wouldn’t it look just like Benghazi?


8 posted on 10/20/2012 5:12:11 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: maggief
According to reports, the Embassy attacks went down over an extended 6-7 time period.

Predators fly about as fast as a car driving down the highway. If we could get a Predator on station in time to monitor,”the final hours”, we could have gotten a lot more of military response in place in time to make a difference.

As soon as the Predator was in place we would have had a pretty good idea who and where the bad guys were, and US jets carrying JDAMS could have taken them apart with minimal collateral damage to our people on the ground or to Libyan civilians.

As soon as the the Embassy was over run and our people were already dead, we should have bombed the Embassy compound into oblivion to keep any classified information from getting into the wrong hands and killing the terrorists who attacked it.

This is the very minimum we should have done and it was a no brainer.

9 posted on 10/20/2012 5:12:29 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: butterdezillion

http://paktribune.com/news/CIA-seeks-expansion-in-drone-fleet-254334.html

CIA seeks expansion in drone fleet


10 posted on 10/20/2012 5:13:18 AM PDT by maggief
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To: butterdezillion

Butter, that question needs to asked of the President and Sec Def Leon Panetta. Depending on the ARG’s location, the MEU could have had a company of Marines on the ground with in an hour or two.

I “floated” in 78 - 79. We also use to practice “NEOPS”... that is: “Non-combatant Evacuation Operations.” These ops are specifically used to help evacuate embassies when it looks like security is going down hill... like maybe in the previous August leading up to this 9-11.

Panetta should be fired!


11 posted on 10/20/2012 5:19:39 AM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: butterdezillion
Why not a drone that could have actually done something to help?

Because the ambassador was marked for assassinations and the CnC didn't want any survivors.

12 posted on 10/20/2012 5:23:30 AM PDT by varon
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To: maggief

[ Could U.S. military have helped during Libya attack? ]

The Chauncy Gardener White House was helpless..
Because they have a Chauncy Gardener President..
A Chauncy Gardener first lady and Chauncy Gardener mini-me’s all over the place..

Little doubt many Chauncy Gardener Officers were promoted to General and Admiral..
The Military seems to be a Chauncy Gardener Military generally.. but not completely.. YET..

Chauncy Gardener type people are not good boots on the ground people..
Otherwise you have an Army guided by idiots.. like France.. or the Sand Monkeys..


13 posted on 10/20/2012 5:24:51 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: maggief

Our officials watched the fire and destruction for hours. They did not interfere, since they had orchestrated the attack. Ambassador Stevens was supposed to have been kidnapped and then heroically ransomed by Obama. Our officials were not alarmed, since they thought Stevens was safe in the arms of Satan’s Servants.


14 posted on 10/20/2012 5:40:42 AM PDT by abclily
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To: maggief
"The assault was launched by an armed mob of dozens that torched buildings and used rocket propelled grenades, mortars and AK-47 rifles."

Note that CBS is still using words like "mob" to give Obama cover for his "video tape" lie.

"Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did seek clearances from Libya to fly in their airspace, but the administration won't say anything further about what was said or decided"

She also waited 18 DAYS for visas before the FBI was sent in.

When a weak government like Libya can't defend any foreign embassy, you don't seek permission, you inform the weak government that you are taking control. Unless, of course, your own foreign policy is as weak as Libya.

15 posted on 10/20/2012 5:41:31 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Joe Marine 76

This is not on Panetta.

This is on the political strategists (who really call the shots in this WH) and the POTUS who listened to them.

Most likely Panetta wanted to do the right thing.


16 posted on 10/20/2012 5:50:21 AM PDT by cgbg (No bailouts for New York and California. Let them eat debt.)
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To: Joe Marine 76

For God’s Sake, we have an Amphibious Readiness Group on station in the Mediterranian with a Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) consisting of a Reinforced Marine Infantry Battalion, a composite Marine Aircraft Squadron (light & heavy Helos, Ospreys, Harriers), and a Marine Logistics Support Unit with 30 days supply of materiel and associated combat service support equipment.

Remember, this attack on the US Consulate/Embassy took place at about 9:30 PM (Local). That was 3:30 or 4:30 PM Eastern Standard Time. We had people in positions of authority to land the MEU just watching this debacle unfold.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This is not a kind of crisis you can prevent using military power. Consulate massacre is clearly a failure of intelligence and security. You can’t fix it by military if you aren’t about to start a full-scale war about it.

Somalian Mogadishu disaster and earlier Russian adventure in Grozny, Chechnya are quite recent events to prove it.


17 posted on 10/20/2012 5:53:25 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: maggief

“Sharyl Attkisson: Could U.S. military have helped during Libya attack?”

Sorry, Commander-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama was campaigning on The Pimp With the Limp radio show. All the lines were probably busy.

Campaigning Obama didn’t have time for embassy security.


18 posted on 10/20/2012 5:53:52 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: petercooper

Sharyl Attkisson was the only one that hammered the WH on Fast and Furious, too.


19 posted on 10/20/2012 5:56:04 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: butterdezillion

So you want to toss the Marines , into Libya, with no intel, no plan, and no strategic or tactical objective within hours of the event? The REASON that embassies have a guard staff on site. AND DEPEND on the local government for security is because what you propose is impossible.


20 posted on 10/20/2012 6:04:20 AM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence again.t foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Kozak

So you want to toss the Marines , into Libya, with no intel, no plan, and no strategic or tactical objective within hours of the event? The REASON that embassies have a guard staff on site. AND DEPEND on the local government for security is because what you propose is impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

+1000

I call it a “WTF doctrine”. “We can do it” all the time isn’t it?


21 posted on 10/20/2012 6:10:59 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: butterdezillion

It was posted here from a REuter’s story that we did rescue about 30 people, but were ambushed. VEry difficult to get a true story from these people.


22 posted on 10/20/2012 6:15:34 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Kozak

So embassies are established and there is never a plan for a crisis. Cool! Makes a Marine mom proud that our sons are sent to the embassy without plans. Just stand there in your dress blues to be a target, honey, we love you./end of my extreme sarcasm.

I think our homosexual ambassador was set up.


23 posted on 10/20/2012 6:16:54 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

I think its time to stop getting involved in middle eastern messes where our troops are in as much danger from our allies as they face from our enemies.


24 posted on 10/20/2012 6:24:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: maggief

“CBS News has been told Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did seek clearances from Libya to fly in their airspace, but the administration won’t say anything further about what was said or decided on that front.”

Clintons leaking info???

As long as Panetta is in the clear then I think the Clintons will be full steam ahead. IF Panetta is wrapped up in the fiasco by making a bad decision - then his head is on the chopping block ,too. Clintons then have to tiptoe if they know what’s good for them.


25 posted on 10/20/2012 6:33:50 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: maggief
...and that the drone and other reconnaissance aircraft apparently observed the final hours of the protracted battle.

I wonder what the nature of the "protracted battle" meme is. Was there actually a solid defensive response or were the terrorists just dragging out the attack and carnage for as long as they had ammo?

26 posted on 10/20/2012 6:39:51 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: RummyChick

““CBS News has been told Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did seek clearances from Libya to fly in their airspace, but the administration won’t say anything further about what was said or decided on that front.””

Did we seek clearance to fly in their airspace when we were supporting the Bruthas while getting rid of Daffy Duck?

Sad thing here is we had air resources that could have let loose some missiles and took out the terrorists and they wouldn’t have had a clue where it came from.

At worst, Israel (oh wait, they are no longer our friends) could have launched something.


27 posted on 10/20/2012 6:42:18 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz
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To: Kozak; cunning_fish
What are you two talking about? Intel? Plan? "Strategic or tactical objectives" Yeah, the plan is you got Americans taking heavy fire on American soil from wild Indians. Intel? Plan? - so you show up and start greasing wild Indians until they either all die or run away. Plan.

Neither one of you genius's with your "strategic or tactical objectives" have ever served, have you?

You both sound like a couple button pushing office ladies.

28 posted on 10/20/2012 6:46:36 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: atc23

Well, if you want to play Custer why not. BTW, they Indians had no manpads and RPGs.
I don’t think if Marines are about to absorb a hundred casualties for nothing.


29 posted on 10/20/2012 6:56:02 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: petercooper
Ms. Attkisson is one of a few unbiased reporters at CBS.
30 posted on 10/20/2012 7:00:05 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: atc23
Neither one of you genius's with your "strategic or tactical objectives" have ever served, have you? You both sound like a couple button pushing office ladies.

Well said.

31 posted on 10/20/2012 7:02:52 AM PDT by WesternPacific (Deafness has its Advantages)
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To: cunning_fish
Ye of little faith and grotesque ignorance? So you're betting on the prehistoric freaks over the U.S. Marines?
Did you accidentally wade over here from the huff post?
32 posted on 10/20/2012 7:02:56 AM PDT by bramps
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To: maggief

I imagine that the Old gal Hill knew the enemy had missles. She also would have known by then that she couldn’t trust anyone in Libya.

It would have been a greater nightmare to send in help and have them get picked off by weapons we supplied to Libya and were probably trying to get back.


33 posted on 10/20/2012 7:06:00 AM PDT by dforest
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To: maggief
Sounds like Ms Atkisson has been reading Freerepublic.com. A ton of FReepers were asking this question on 9/11 (12) 6 or 7 hours when the Cairo facility had been under seige all day as well!

6 or 7 hours is almost a full work day! So the US just stood around all day playing pocket pool? Not when I was in the shit we wouldn't have. The only one I know of that stands around all day running his mouth is the current Commander in Chief, Barack Hussein Obama (D) mmm mmm mm

34 posted on 10/20/2012 7:06:02 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: bramps

Well, everyone has a right to express opinion. Tell he how could you handle an op to rescue this mission?


35 posted on 10/20/2012 7:06:46 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: norwaypinesavage

Did we wait for visas and ask for permission from Ghadaffi before we sent in our planes to oust him?

What we’ve got here is selective use of protocols. If Obama wants somebody out he takes them out. He doesn’t want the Islamists out. That’s why he’s been helping to put them in, and why he acts like he can’t do against the Islamists what he did against our ALLIES in the war on terror - Ghadaffi and Mubarak.


36 posted on 10/20/2012 7:07:36 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: RummyChick

How often do Libyan reports mention Panetta or Dempsey?


37 posted on 10/20/2012 7:10:37 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

—— The assault was launched by an armed mob——

There was no armed mob. There was a coherent military force making a well planned and executed military operation.

CBS will not admit the truth and continues the fiction, the lie actually, that there is organized Al Qaeda affiliated existent.


38 posted on 10/20/2012 7:12:48 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: maggief

I don’t get this. Why was there a protracted battle. As I understand it there was just the ambassador and one other unarmed guy (The two Seals showed up to help after they heard the gun fire).


39 posted on 10/20/2012 7:16:01 AM PDT by DManA
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To: dforest

We have no business having an ambassador in a country if we can’t trust anybody there, and if they wouldn’t let us fly over their air space to protect our own embassy. If these are the “friends” we spent our fire-power to install, then we’ve got a lot bigger problems than just an embassy attack.


40 posted on 10/20/2012 7:16:15 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: cunning_fish

see post #28


41 posted on 10/20/2012 7:18:41 AM PDT by bramps
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To: cunning_fish; bramps
Might have been too late to rescue the mission - I grant you that. That doesn't mean you don't counter attack and kill as many of them as you can find with A-10's, Apache's F15's and those big planes we have with the chain gun things. Whatever we have over there that can be on station while the attack was still going on. Drop Marine paratroops to secure a 5 mile radius after we're done with the killing.

Now, we have the supposed ringleader standing on a corner in downtown Tripoli sipping a strawberry latte bragging about his sacking of the US mission in Benghazi.

Something stinks to high heaven here.

Don't worry though, Hill and Hussein have promised to bring the attackers to justice - in a courtroom- in some liberal hellhole like New York or Frisco. I feel so much better knowing these two are in charge.

42 posted on 10/20/2012 7:25:49 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: maggief

SOS Clinton asked permission to enter their airspace... Are you kidding me? AC130’s based in the region? I can’t believe this story came from a CBS reporter.

Man oh man do I miss having a grown up in charge. Save them or not, we could have made it painful for the enemy.

November cannot come soon enough!


43 posted on 10/20/2012 7:27:27 AM PDT by WomBom ("I read Free Republic for the pictures")
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To: maggief
A White House official told CBS News that, at the start of the attack, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Martin Dempsey and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta "looked at available options, and the ones we exercised had our military forces arrive in less than 24 hours, well ahead of timelines laid out in established policies."

If all of that is true, then we might as well pull our military out of all bases outside the U. S. No rapid deployment forces?

(That's not a slam on our military men and women. It's a slam against our military planners and the political forces they kowtow to.)

44 posted on 10/20/2012 7:28:32 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: DManA

Did you happen to catch Baier’s report?

Know The TRUTH ~ Step By Step ~ Bret Baier’s ~ ‘Death and Deceit in Benghazi’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MIAE6vLct-0


45 posted on 10/20/2012 7:32:13 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

BFL


46 posted on 10/20/2012 7:35:08 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: cunning_fish
Well, if you want to play Custer why not. BTW, they Indians had no manpads and RPGs. I don’t think if Marines are about to absorb a hundred casualties for nothing.

RPGs? Have you ever been to an airshow? It is hard to point a camera at those things. You don't even know they are coming until ordnance has already hit you. Hitting a jet with an RPG would be a miracle shot.

The people in charge knew it would be easier to deal with dead Americans than dead Libyans who would be labeled "civilians" in any case. So they sat on their thumbs and waited for it to be over.

47 posted on 10/20/2012 7:46:00 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: hopespringseternal

You nailed it and it bears repeating!

“The people in charge knew it would be easier to deal with dead Americans than dead Libyans who would be labeled “civilians” in any case. So they sat on their thumbs and waited for it to be over.”


48 posted on 10/20/2012 8:08:05 AM PDT by dforest
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To: maggief

For goodness sakes (see moderators, I’m working hard to reduce my profanity), we could have dropped nuclear weapons. Why were we working to get rid of Gadaffi? There’s the question. Obama and Hillary are just a couple of Democrat grifters. Look at their histories. They didn’t grow up yelling, “Free the oppressed people of the Middle East!” They’re grifters out for money and re-election and funding the Democrat party. They could care less about the people of Libya and Egypt and Syria. What did they and the Democrat party gain by overthrowing these governments? And think about it. Bush was a cowboy because he went after Iraq and Afghanistan after we were attacked on 9/11? Well, then Obama must be a rustler for going after Libya and Egypt and Syria.


49 posted on 10/20/2012 8:37:34 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: maggief

There is no excuse for this incident.

The only response we get from this administration is, “we have an ongoing investigation”

This investigation should be well over by now...how long will it continue?

Until somewhere, somehow they can find some low level bureaucrat, on whom they can place blame for the whole thing, probably years from now.

It is all about a coverup of the coverup!


50 posted on 10/20/2012 9:08:45 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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