Skip to comments.Could Sandy Target Northeast U.S.?
Posted on 10/24/2012 8:00:22 AM PDT by dirtboy
Wow... what an extraordinarily unusual scenario. What seemed like a fluke of an idea - a hurricane-like system hitting the northeastern U.S. - is gaining credibility. Originally the European model was on its own with the spectacular but somewhat bizarre idea that Sandy would be injected with jet stream energy and curve back toward New England as a stunningly strong storm. Now one model after the other, including the ensembles, are favoring a swing back toward the East Coast after the storm goes by Cape Hatteras.
This the the afternoon run of the American GFS model ensembles - multiple lower-resolution runs with slightly different initial information, which allows for the fact that we can't measure the atmosphere precisely among other things.
The majority of the possible tracks now head into the Northeast, New England, or Atlantic Canada.
Could it really be a strong hurricane, as the European model predicts? We know that, occasionally, hurricanes do occur at these high latitudes at the end of October. Famously, the "Perfect Storm", otherwise known as the Halloween Hurricane battered New England in 1991. Also, Category 2 Hurricane Ginny hit Nova Scotia in late October 1963. But, neither were of a scale and impact like the Euro is showing.
With the influence of the jet stream, you would think any storm that comes ashore would be subtropical in nature - part tropical and part like a nor'easter - but the NHC doesn't allow for subtropical hurricanes in their naming scheme. It's considered to be such a rare and nearly impossible event.
The spectacularly unusual confluence of events is the shape and orientation of the dip in the jet stream that is forecast to develop over eastern North America over the weekend - oriented in such a way to pull Sandy inland instead of pushing it out to sea, and the presence of a strong tropical or subtropical system where it can get pulled in. That's so bizarrely unusual that I can't think of another event like it.
This kind of thing occasionally happens with nor'easters, notably the Great Appalachian Storm of November 1950 which curved in off the Atlantic and dumped 20 to 30 inches of snow over a wide area in the Mid-Atlantic and Midwest, but the odds of it happening with a system that originated in the tropics - with all of the moisture that that implies - are extremely low.
We certainly don't know that it's going to happen, and our concern at the moment is for our friends in the Caribbean and the Bahamas who will take a direct hit from a strengthening hurricane. The Florida and Carolina coasts also need to be ready to take protective action - especially boaters and people right at the coast - depending on the track Thursday to Saturday. But it's not often that credible forecast models consistently forecast a historic event, and with more models leaning that way, we need to be aware and pay attention along the entire U.S. East Coast
I’ll see what I can do for you. :-)
By all means, get the generator.
During the Zombie Apocalypse it will be useful. I recommend a Tri-Fuel model as you won't have good supply of fuel at that time.
(During Hurricane Ike in Houston, getting gasoline became an issue after many area went nearly a week without electrical power. No electricity and the fuel pumps at the gas stations don't run)
If you can vote early, do so now!!!
While I truly appreciate your noble quest - you would have to go right over me to do so...........
I’m mainland, more central, but with heavy wind/rain potential; however, bro in VB. We’re all paying close attention. Stay safe!
So even they still predict a ~100 mile distance from making landfall per your picture.
Also the original poster concern of Delaware at that point would have the winds driving water out of the Bay, not in.
We should know for sure about the "capture" scenario by around Friday/Sat.
If it hits NYC on Tuesday, it’ll keep a lot of the libtards home.
Thanks for that. I had not seen a prediction going onshore.
Too far away in time to have a lot of confidence in any of them.
Looks like this tells the tale.
With the latest modeling, I am very concerned this will be STRONG when it hits and give Obama a nice boost at the polls.
I am worried it could help him significantly.
I thought bad weather helped Republicans. It would make turnout look more like 2010, where the dedicated voters show up, not the fly-by-night types who only show up in presidential years.
Less than Hurricane strength under this projection when it gets to the northeast.
Pressure measured by Hurricane Hunter dropsonde was 964 mb, or on the edge of Cat 3.
I am talking about the “Obama rescuing us” non-stop TV coverage of the savior after the storm.
That said, the hurricane hitting New Orleans earlier in the fall surprisingly did not help Obama at all.
Thanks for pointing out wxrisk. Never heard of it but now I’m hooked. Great facebook feed as well. He just posted why he thinks the GFS model is incorrect and pointed out its shortcomings. Very cool!!!
You’re welcome! Definitely keeping an eye on Sandy.
Hit from southeast reduces time over cool water.Baroclinic process leads to super hybrid. Even Brazilian models have 956 mb prs NYC
Weatherbell FORECAST REMAINS UNCHANGED.. Have had the "trapping" idea now since weekend.
If I am right, biggest question :What swear word will Chris Christie use to get people to evacuate.Storm could be worse ever in mid/n atl
Dont forget the heavy snow on the western side.
If you see anyone talking about the storm surge up delaware bay, and flooding coming down .. that was the subject I wrote about many yrs ago
Window of escape closing.. only true question may be where not, if. All areas NC to Mass likely to have hurricane conditions!
GFDL brings hurricane to Delmarva.. sub 940 mb
He also has an updated forecast map with changes mostly confined to the snowfall portion: he's thinking possible heavy snows along the entire western side of the Appalachian chain... mentioned 2-3 feet in WV. Snow forecast area includes the western 50% of PA, western 30% of NY, eastern 70% of WV, and mountain areas of E. Tenn.
Otherwise still has NYC as the landfall point on Tuesday with an 80-85mph hurricane.
Hey, NN, want to start a Sandy live thread?
Hmm. I wouldn't want to take out any fine FReepers in my quest to annihilate DC. Maybe I'll just take out Cuba.
Darn, I thought it was next Tuesday. Wrong darn Tuesday.
Janice the weather lady on Fox News was saying people (potentially millions, IIRC) could be without power for WEEKS. It will be interesting to see how the election works if this comes to pass.