Posted on 10/26/2012 6:30:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
BOMBSHELL: US troops in Benghazi would not have been painting targets on the ground unless there was air support overhead. But someone called it off – And the decision most likely came from the White House.
FOX News reported earlier today that security officers on the ground in Benghazi had a laser planted on a target that was firing on the annex.
The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
So there were two drones in the air recording the attack on the ground. And now we know the CIA team at the annex was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. The White House was able to watch the attack live back in Washington DC. Yet, yesterday Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said this,
“The U.S. military did not get involved during the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya, last month because officials did not have enough information about what was going on before the attack was over.”
How much more information did they need?
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Then there’s this bombshell at BlackFive from a former Delta operator:
Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.
One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint” a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.
Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.
If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!
This is HUGE. It should be obvious by now that someone is not telling the truth. As Blackfive says,
“This is bigger than Watergate!… The worst has to be the team on the ground knowing that the President just left you to die.“
A caller today discussed this with Rush Limbaugh.
(VIDEO AT LINK)
Here is part of that conversation.
CALLER: Well, there’s three networks, Rush. The e-mails that have been released are unclassified e-mails. On the top secret side, a flash traffic message from the embassy Tripoli to the White House Situation Room, it’s like an IM. I mean, it’s immediately responded to. You have to acknowledge receipt of it. Okay? So it’s immediate. It gets to the person, the watch officer sitting there, boom, flashes on his screen, he has to acknowledge receipt. And then there’s a protocol for who he then sends it to. He physically turns to someone, the senior guy on watch, “This is a critical element of information. POTUS needs to hear this,” and that’s what would have happened.
So no one in the White House can deny that — well, they can deny it, but the fact is the protocol says someone marched their happy little ass up to the senior guy standing next to POTUS and said, “Sir, ambassador in Libya is in peril.” And if he was missing, that is even a higher precedence. And then the chain would have also gone out automatically to the geographic combatant commander, AFRICOM, and he would have then turned to his special operations commander and said, “I want the In-Extremis Force, you know, strip ready in five minutes.” And evidently they were strip ready in Sigonella and they would have the assets to penetrate the airspace, you know, an MC-130 papa, which is a C-130 specially equipped with electronic countermeasures. They didn’t need permission to enter Libyan airspace, okay?
I’m giving you a lot of Inside Baseball stuff, and maybe putting myself in a little peril by doing it, but the In-Extremis Force, they would have been chomping at the bit to do this. It was turned down, POTUS, at his five p.m. Eastern time meeting with the principals, that’s when he put the kibosh on everything. It was a conscious act. It has to be because, you know, the In-Extremis Force is required to be prepared to do In-Extremis non-combatant evacuation operations for its geographic responsibility, the entire continent of Africa. So there’s always somebody ready to go, and the aircraft are always prepared to go.
Read the rest here. Hat Tip Truth and Common Sense
1962 = Manchurian Candidate
2012 = muslim candidate
Who hired that convict to make an “F” rated movie and then used it?
I'm not typically inclined to conspiracy theories at all, but this very question has been nagging at me for weeks. I heard today that the guy is being held without bail and won't be released until a few days after the election. How convenient.
Interesting link here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2950882/posts
Comment #2 — Gen Ham was fired 30 seconds after deciding to intervene in Benghazi: I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.
quote:
“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”
The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.
General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.
The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham’s place as the head of Africon.
I found this story when I got home after hearing this story.
quote:
President Barack Obama will nominate Army Gen. David Rodriguez to succeed Gen. Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command and Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen. Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced.
As I was typing this I heard John Bolton on Greta say that there are conflicting reports of General Ham’s comments on this tragedy and why a rapid response unit was not deployed. Bolton says someone needs to find out what Ham was saying on 9/11/12.
Just went there. Wow! Glad so many people are paying attention. It’s about time CNN’s audience speaks out about their dereliction of duty. Maybe MTV is more factual than CNN.
Our very highest military leaders KNOW and have KNOWN for YEARS that Obama posted forged birth documents. They KNOW and have KNOWN that he fails e-verify and is using another man's social security number. They have done NOTHING about it except persecute lower level officers who had the courage to question it.
There is **plenty** that these men could have done that is legal, peaceful, and constitutional that would have exposed this usurper in the White House.
Is defending and supporting a usurper as Commander in Chief how these WEENIES defend the Constitution and watch the backs of those defending America? Really?
I have made a personal decision. If in the very unlike event that I am in the presence of any of these sparkling brass bedazzled COWARDS, I will turn my back. I am **disgusted**!
Our Founding Fathers specifically wrote Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution for a REASON!!!! This post and all the comments following are the reason.
I also don't think there would be any reason to wait for air support to arrive to get the coordinates for your target. Just as likely they were talking with the Predator and trying to help them cue their sensors in to targets in the area.
The other guy might be right, but I wouldn't call it a sure thing.
Great minds think a like. My ROE would leave two compounds standing, the consulate and the annex. Use Spooky to clear the area, and send in assets to level the rest of the town. BTW, Benghazi is not very big, not a city by any means. I also don't care about the so-called caring citizens of Libya. They are Muslims. They are the enemy. Their first mistake was to allow terrorists take hold of their town. This is the same reason I don't care about American cities that allow drug gangs to take hold. No one wants to stand up to them. Freedom is not free and I certainly do not want to spill our blood when the "oppressed" are not willing to do it themselves.
“Folks”. Not killers, murderers, miscreants, or even criminals. Folks.
BTTT
Outrage or taking offense like the way Obama responds to the suggestion of impropriety is the oh so typical response of a sociopathic liar. Like psychologists have suggested previously, Zero gives himself away continually if one only listens closely.
We do....know for sure, this crap happened weeks ago and nothing has been done by the USA. THAT is the real story.
Tie it to Iran
Smoke Iran
I don’t know anything about this, but if the order in effect for all assets in the area was to “stand down” it would mean that even though a Predator drone, for instance, might be ABLE to fire on the target, they had a standing order not to. If the SEALs could either see or were in radio contact to know that the Predator had hellfires that could be utilized, they might paint a target in the hopes that it would be hit - either because Obama would change his mind about the standing order, or because they hoped somebody would disobey orders and help, like they had done.
Maybe somebody who knows more about the military can give us both a clue.
You can't? Well!...Here's some help: Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution!
There is a reason our Founding Fathers made natural born citizenship a requirement for the Presidency and the Commander in Chief.
By the way... Our very highest military leaders KNOW that Obama has posted forged birth documents, fails e-verify, and is using another man's social security number. They have done and continue to do NOTHING except persecute lower level officers who have had the courage to question Obama natural born citizenship.
Is this how they uphold their oath before God to defend the Constitution? Is this how they watch the backs of those defending and serving America? Personally, I am DISGUSTED with these men. The brass glittering on their uniforms is nothing more than jewelery.
Post them. this is a thread of a lifetime/
Everyone here should be taking copies of the thread onto their computers and copies of the content at all the links.
Everything...everywhere
And after the attack, when was the Embassy secured? I also have to ask — HAS the Embassy been secured? CBS or CNN got in there and took items out, including the Ambassador’s daily journal. Who knows what the heck has been looted. Files, computers, etc.? So treasonous it is unfathomable.
Also, here is a part of the video I remember seeing. There was quite a bit more though.
And after the attack, when was the Embassy secured? I also have to ask — HAS the Embassy been secured? CBS or CNN got in there and took items out, including the Ambassador’s daily journal. Who knows what the heck has been looted. Files, computers, etc.? So treasonous it is unfathomable.
Also, here is a part of the video I remember seeing. There was quite a bit more though.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/video-purportedly-shows-mob-dragging-ambassador-stevens-from-libya-consulate-content-warning/
I would love to hear what Ham is thinking.
Who has the ability to tell Obama within 30 seconds that he is relieved of his duties?
At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.
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Second in Command: Ambitious little toady snot!
Please read my posts #125 and #133.
I, too, would love to hear what Ham is thinking.
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