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Navy replaces admiral leading Mideast strike group
Stars and Stripes ^ | 10/27/2012 | AP

Posted on 10/27/2012 12:45:13 PM PDT by ironman

WASHINGTON -- The Navy said Saturday it is replacing the admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment.

Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette is being sent back to the USS John C. Stennis' home port at Bremerton, Wash., in what the Navy called a temporary reassignment. The Navy said he is not formally relieved of his command of the Stennis strike group but will be replaced by Rear Adm. Troy M. Shoemaker, who will assume command until the investigation is completed.

It is highly unusual for the Navy to replace a carrier strike group commander during its deployment.

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1 posted on 10/27/2012 12:45:18 PM PDT by ironman
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To: ironman

Just sent this to NY SLIMES. Don’t expect a response, but it was cathartic to send.

The Navy said Saturday it is replacing the admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment.

This comes just days after General Ham was replaced as head of Africom.

While your Newspaper has long lost any real journalistic credibility, you might be a bit curious as to why these two were replaced so soon after Benghazi.

Many sources say that both were going to disobey WH orders to stand down and not help during 9 hour long Benghazi firefight that killed four Americans. They were thereafter relived of command.

Of course, perhaps another front page story about some obscure Senate Race where a candidate expressed the Catholic Position on Rape and Abortion is more informative than two high ranking military men being replaced after they were forced to listen to the screams of four fellow Americans in real time and were prohibited from helping.

Thank God Vice President Biden was there to console the grieving father of the fallen SEAL who disobeyed orders to help save lives by complimenting the grieving father on the size of his dead hero son’s balls.


2 posted on 10/27/2012 12:49:21 PM PDT by oldernittany
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To: ironman

A wild guess, they caught the Admiral bad mouthing the Presidents response to Benghazi?


3 posted on 10/27/2012 12:49:26 PM PDT by Professional
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To: ironman

he’s toast.


4 posted on 10/27/2012 12:49:34 PM PDT by brivette
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To: oldernittany
Many sources say that both were going to disobey WH orders to stand down and not help during 9 hour long Benghazi firefight that killed four Americans. They were thereafter relived of command.

I have no inside track on this, but that sounds like some very good dot-connecting.

5 posted on 10/27/2012 12:56:22 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: ironman

bump


6 posted on 10/27/2012 12:58:36 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: oldernittany

The Stennis was in the Persian Gulf when the Libya embassy was attacked. There is no way the Admiral was involved in violating any stand down order.


7 posted on 10/27/2012 1:02:38 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: ironman

They should feel lucky.... Most dictators just shoot their military officers who disobey their orders ....

Damn, I hate that SOB in the WH....


8 posted on 10/27/2012 1:04:14 PM PDT by Popman (November 7th...will be a good day for America..)
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To: Riley

Wonder what or who stopped them from disobeying orders.


9 posted on 10/27/2012 1:05:02 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Delhi Rebels

? Couldn’t some of the Navy jets make it to Libya from the Persian Gulf in relatively short order?


10 posted on 10/27/2012 1:06:52 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Delhi Rebels

The F-15 Can go 1875 mph.


11 posted on 10/27/2012 1:15:26 PM PDT by oldernittany
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To: SoFloFreeper
Couldn’t some of the Navy jets make it to Libya from the Persian Gulf in relatively short order?

The carrier was probably close to 2000 miles away. there would have been air force planes in Europe and Iraq closer. So the short answer is 'no'.

12 posted on 10/27/2012 1:30:14 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: oldernittany
The F-15 Can go 1875 mph.

Glad to hear it. But the F-15 is an Air Force plane, not Navy. The F-18's max speed without ordinance is about 1200 miles per hour. And the nearest ones to Benghazi were about 2000 miles away.

13 posted on 10/27/2012 1:32:22 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: oldernittany
"This comes just days after General Ham was replaced as head of Africom."

Found info regarding Gen. Ham's removal on JetsInsider site. Rather strange place for this to be, but an entry provides a link to Stars & Stripes, and tigerdroppings.com. The rumors are that despite being ordered to stand down, Ham was planning to go anyway.

Here's the posting:

Gen. Carter Ham, commander of U.S. Africa Command is being replaced Looks like the commander "on the ground" during the Benghazi incident where we abandoned our people, is being replaced.

http://www.stripes.com/news/obama-to...ricom-1.193564

There is a rumor that he was going to ignore the stand down order and send help anyway.

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p...own-Order.aspx

per the link:

I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.

quote: "(The) basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information about what's taking place," Panetta told Pentagon reporters. "And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation."

The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

This posting can be found here:

JetsInsider-Gen. Ham

I find his removal strange, based on Panetta's quote that Ham was in agreement with him and Dempsey.

As usual, we're not being given the truth by this Administration.

This whole situation is looking like an episode from the new tv series: "Last Resort."

14 posted on 10/27/2012 1:45:16 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Delhi Rebels

Just because the carrier group was in the Gulf, it doesn’t mean he didn’t criticize the CIC’s lack of response to rescue Americans. I’m not saying he did, just that it is definitely in the realm of possibility.


15 posted on 10/27/2012 1:51:31 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Delhi Rebels

2000/1200 = 1.6667 hours

Fight lasted over seven hours.


16 posted on 10/27/2012 2:07:11 PM PDT by oldernittany
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To: oldernittany

By your logic there was time for airplanes to arrive from Florida.


17 posted on 10/27/2012 2:10:09 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Kirkwood

The more likely cause was he got caught fooling around with a female subordinate. That’s been the reason for most of the removals from command lately.


18 posted on 10/27/2012 2:12:59 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Delhi Rebels

Okay thanks.


19 posted on 10/27/2012 2:26:24 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Delhi Rebels

It certainly seems likely enough that General Ham was removed for resisting the order to stand down and let the Ambassador die.

I don’t know about this admiral. But if he was in charge of all our naval forces, then I don’t think it necessarily matters that he was in the Persian Gulf at the time. If he was in the chain of command from the White House on down, then he might very possibly have done something or said something to resist the President’s order.

It certainly seems fishy that both commanders are being relieved at the same time.


20 posted on 10/27/2012 2:47:47 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: oldernittany

There were probably flyover considerations which precluded a direct flight. Two plus hrs is about the minimum time to reach Libya.


21 posted on 10/27/2012 6:45:35 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: ironman

Was he in on the Preakness pool?


22 posted on 10/27/2012 6:46:33 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: ironman

bookmark


23 posted on 10/27/2012 6:52:37 PM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Do it today. Don't wait.)
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To: Delhi Rebels
The Stennis was in the Persian Gulf when the Libya embassy was attacked. There is no way the Admiral was involved in violating any stand down order.

However, the live video of the battle was being blasted to every major command in that hemisphere, and all the materials pertaining to the battle and investigation have now been classified Top Secret (according to John McCain).

24 posted on 10/27/2012 6:54:23 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Delhi Rebels
And the nearest ones to Benghazi were about 2000 miles away.

Are there no F-18s based at Sigonella NAS (Sicily)? Or at Rota?

25 posted on 10/27/2012 6:56:36 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: ironman

This is taking the same ‘route’ as USS LIBERTY (AGTR-5) when aircraft from the USS AMERICA (CV-66) were dispatched to aid the LIBERTY and LBJ/MacNamara PERSONALLY called the strike off with LBJ telling either USS AMERICA or COM6THFLT “get those m’fn aircraft back aboard”..

I don’t recall whether anyone was canned for that (so called) insubordination. BUT many Senior Officers SHOULD HAVE resigned their commissions over it (the whole LIBERTY incident).


26 posted on 10/27/2012 7:03:56 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "even a garden gnome casts a long shadow at sunset".)
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To: ironman
Carriers carry in flight tankers.
27 posted on 10/27/2012 7:04:21 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Romney has run a business, an Olympics, and a state. Obama has never run anything but his mouth.)
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To: okie01

F18s from Sigonella were a half hour away. AC130s from there probably would take an hour.

Not sure why so many FReepers think the Persian Gulf is so close; it’s two thousand miles away from Libya.


28 posted on 10/27/2012 7:04:31 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: oldernittany
Please make this a vanity post and make it an open letter addressed to the publisher and executive editor of the New York Times.

Publisher: Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr.

Executive Editor: Jill Abramson

Doing this make help get their attention.

29 posted on 10/27/2012 7:35:08 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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