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"It could Happen Tomorrow- NYC Hurricane" Weather Channel
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Posted on 10/29/2012 3:55:22 PM PDT by SMGFan

From the Weather Channel: It Could Happen Tomorrow takes a close look at unbelievable yet possible acts of nature, which could spell disaster for cities across America. Part drama, part science and part history, It Could Happen Tomorrow searches the past for clues to theoretical weather events still to come and explores their potential impact on our modern world.


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1 posted on 10/29/2012 3:55:22 PM PDT by SMGFan
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To: SMGFan

I’m close enough to the action here in DE and have been out and around enough today to believe it really isn’t a hurricane, and now I have found the explanation.http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/national-hurricane-center-no-a/839301

“The National Hurricane Center (NHC) issues advisories, forecasts, and warnings on tropical cyclones - the generic term for hurricanes, tropical storms, and tropical depressions. Sometime prior to making landfall, Hurricane Sandy is expected to lose its characteristics as a tropical cyclone and take on the structure of a wintertime low-pressure area. Because the National Hurricane Center only issues advisories on tropical cyclones, there will be changes in the flow of information coming out of the NWS when this transition occurs.”


2 posted on 10/29/2012 4:07:38 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: SMGFan

I thought it was already happening. Channel 349 Direct TV shows live stream coverage.


3 posted on 10/29/2012 4:08:40 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SMGFan

Sandy produced a great sunset here in Michigan.


4 posted on 10/29/2012 4:11:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

I noticed that too!
Quite a gorgeous red!


5 posted on 10/29/2012 4:18:18 PM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: gusopol3

It is official now. According to Fox. No longer a Hurricane. And since it has combined with the cold storm that was west of Sandy, it no longer has a true eye, so they have backed off on calling landfall. My guess is this has not been a hurricane for the past 24 hours. There is no way Sandy maintained sustained winds of exactly 75 mph for a day and a half. That surface wind speed is just an approximation based on the upper wind speeds measured by the search planes. In the reality of nature, there had to be some fluctuations if the sustained winds of 75 mph were accurately measured directly. They keep the sustained wind speed 2 mph above tropical storm level at exactly 75 mph for at least a day and a half. It probably strengthened a little when it went over the Gulf Stream, but 90 MPH sustained is just impossible in a hurricane that was getting its western side ripped clean by the cold front.


6 posted on 10/29/2012 4:25:26 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: SMGFan

Watch Times Square Cam:

http://aws1.earthcam.com/?c=tsrobo3


7 posted on 10/29/2012 4:28:41 PM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: justa-hairyape
Here in New England (MA/NH border), the storm is starting to peter out. We did have some high winds this afternoon that brought some trees and branches down with scattered power outages but no major damage. Maybe a couple inches of rain which is now starting to subside. Pretty much your typical northeaster in these parts with the exception that the winds are stronger than we usually see.

A year ago at this time, I was without power for four days (Halloween snowstorm) but have not lost it in this storm yet and hopefully that remains the case.

Good news is that most of New England should be getting back to normal tomorrow and we can turn our focus back to Tuesday's election (and Halloween on Wednesday).

8 posted on 10/29/2012 4:31:14 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: annieokie

I keep looking at the NYC cams and FoxNews live feed and it just looks like a light, drizzly evening.


9 posted on 10/29/2012 4:34:25 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Jane Long

Shepard Smith is warning about the flooding subways and the corrosive nature of the salt water on the electrical wiring blah blah blah!

If it weren’t for the crane and the face of an apt building falling off you wouldn’t even know this was a Hurricane.

None of the media can decide whether it has made landfall or NOT!


10 posted on 10/29/2012 4:41:00 PM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: acoulterfan
None of the media can decide whether it has made landfall or NOT!

Yeah, the MSM coverage of disasters is always a hoot. When CNN found out that Sandy had vastly increased its forward speed, the anchors all started saying that will make everything worse. Guess they do not require physics classes in journalism school. Then the shrimp from bourbon street (Shep) starting noting that the early landfall will make the coastal flooding less severe because it would be before high tide. Which was correct, but 2 hours later he was saying landfall would be delayed due to the changing of Sandy from a tropical storm to a cold storm. Then he hyperventilated that it would be making landfall during high tide. Oh the horror !

11 posted on 10/29/2012 4:48:37 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: SamAdams76

That is good news. This new storm, not a monster, still has the potential to make some serious rainfall flooding and snow. And it will have to move east eventually. So hopefully she wont hit you on the way back out to sea.


12 posted on 10/29/2012 4:51:41 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: acoulterfan
If it weren’t for the crane and the face of an apt building falling off you wouldn’t even know this was a Hurricane.

Cavuto has shown that dangling crane several times in the past hour.

He's saying hundreds of thousands are without power, due to the storm. And, that there's no telling how long it could take to restore power to all. Hopefully, power equipment from across the country is on standby.

Prayers up for all.

13 posted on 10/29/2012 4:52:44 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Jane Long
Yes it does, people walking around everywhere, cars up and down the street. You would think,"Don't they know what's coming?". lol

Maybe a media hype?????? 50 mile per hour winds, reported to be 95, you know how they do exaggerate.

14 posted on 10/29/2012 4:54:14 PM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: Jane Long
Cavuto has shown that dangling crane several times in the past hour.

They are trying to claim gusts of 100 mph are occurring at those heights right now in New York, yet a crane dangling is hardly moving at all. Again, basic physics say the crane would be swaying violently in wind gust of 100 mph.

15 posted on 10/29/2012 5:10:56 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: MaryFromMichigan
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16 posted on 10/29/2012 5:16:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: justa-hairyape

I have been watching the live cams of the different portions of Times Square non-stop for the last 5 hours and there are all of these people milling/walking around with umbrellas that aren’t even blowing in the wind.


17 posted on 10/29/2012 5:17:25 PM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: annieokie
Maybe a media hype?????? 50 mile per hour winds, reported to be 95, you know how they do exaggerate.

Just saw a real time display of wind gusts in the area at the surface. Gusts were 40 to 79 mph. It looked like about 5-10 % of the reported gusts were just at Hurricane strength. So this was not a sustained hurricane went it made landfall. They admit that. And no place on land experienced sustained hurricane winds for a significant amount of time. It is not a monster, it is not a super storm, and it is not even a hurricane. Basically a strong tropical storm that combined with a cold front to simulate a noreaster with slightly stronger wind then usual.

18 posted on 10/29/2012 5:19:15 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

I have been watching the live cams of the different portions of Times Square non-stop for the last 5 hours and there are all of these people milling/walking around with umbrellas that aren’t even blowing in the wind.


19 posted on 10/29/2012 5:20:27 PM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: cripplecreek

You captured it perfectly!


20 posted on 10/29/2012 5:22:36 PM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: cripplecreek

Noice!!


21 posted on 10/29/2012 5:25:17 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: annieokie

Brooklyn Bridge Cam is rocking & rolling!
http://aws1.earthcam.com/?c=bb


22 posted on 10/29/2012 5:32:46 PM PDT by Drago
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To: justa-hairyape

Everything built inland is for 90mph 3-sec gusts up to 120mph 3sec gusts just along the coast for all bldgs up to about 33ft tall. Taller bldgs and those closer to flat land and water have more stringent codes.

The crane should not have failed if built per IBC codes, if its a union job, who knows.


23 posted on 10/29/2012 5:45:52 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Drago
Yes, I have been switching back and forth. Best cam is in Times Square though for visability.

ALL: All the NYC cams are on that website.

I swear, trying to post on FR these days, is like trying to be the lucky 9th caller to some radio contest. Punch/repunch/repunch one time you may get lucky, oops ERROR on page.

24 posted on 10/29/2012 5:53:56 PM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: cripplecreek

Saw red sky clouding early this morning, meaning storm on its way.


25 posted on 10/29/2012 5:53:58 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: justa-hairyape

Shoot. 50 mph wind is just a bad inconvenient golf day in OKLA.,don’t stop anybody though. Just have to adjust.


26 posted on 10/29/2012 6:01:09 PM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: SamAdams76
Yeah, I'm planning to fly South on Wed. morning, and even though Delta was offering to let folks change flights without charge, I decided to just keep my reservation. Looks like it will have cleared up by Wed. am, in time to get out. WooHoo!

And it looks like the kiddy-winks will have a Halloween this year, unlike last year, when most towns cancelled it because of the piles of snow, and folks without power. We bought candy, just in case!

27 posted on 10/29/2012 6:15:08 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Cvengr

“if its a union job”

IF it’s a union job...we’re talking about NYC. Is there any other kind in construction? If it wasn’t union that is the reason it’s falling, sabotage.


28 posted on 10/29/2012 6:51:13 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SMGFan

Wait till the CORPS comes to the rescue. The tunnels will cave in. The Corps and unions a match made in hell...maybe they are the real mafia.


29 posted on 10/29/2012 6:53:51 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: justa-hairyape

I agree with your post.


30 posted on 10/29/2012 7:04:33 PM PDT by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: justa-hairyape
The main concerns all along for this storm were surge and widespread power outages. Both came to pass - and NYC, Long Island and the Jersey Shore got hammered by surge. This is at least a 20 billion dollar disaster and could end up being the second-worst hurricane damage in US history.

So please give it a rest.

31 posted on 10/30/2012 6:00:50 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

A lot of damage here. F off delusional psychotics downplaying the damage. Millions wo power.


32 posted on 10/30/2012 6:10:39 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: dirtboy
Irene just last year, was estimated to cost over 15 Billion and millions were without power. So Sandy was not unique because we had almost the exact situation just last year with respect to damage and power loss. What was unique was the combining of the two storms. Just pointing out that the hysteria about Sandy is just that, hysteria. The damage is bad, but not unprecedented.

Hurricane Irene one year later: Storm cost $15.8

33 posted on 10/30/2012 12:03:52 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
First of all, you can pretty much take initial damage estimates and double them. Second, Sandy was a hurricane until just before landfall. I watched the sat photos and microwave passes, it developed a distinct eye Monday. And that in turn, IMO, changed the nature of the storm when it hit land. It was expected to be transitioned to an extratropical storm a day before landfall, which means the higher winds aloft would be brought down to the ground and the storm would be strengthened by baroclinic processes, and we would have seen a lot more power outages further inland. I don't think that happened much, the landfall progression of winds were much more typical of a tropical system and by the time the worst of the storm reached where I am, in NW Montgomery County in PA, the winds were not that bad. And third, the damage was very different between Irene and Sandy. Irene was mainly an inland flooding event. Sandy was a coastal flooding event - because it apporoached the coast head-on instead of with a glancing blow. The real wildcard for damage estimates is going to be how much repair the subway system will need because of saltwater immersion. They just don't know, but I saw a report that estimated it would take $55 billion to fix the system if it flooded. Now, that would probably be the entire system, but I think it's a good change that the subway system damage will add a fair chunk to the final damage bill.

So in a way, they got part of the forecast wrong. Baroclinic factors did not juice up the storm the amount they envisioned. But it was a tropical system and a hurricane up until just before landfall.

34 posted on 10/30/2012 12:47:07 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Agree with all that, but Sandy had no back side when it hit land. Was having trouble wrapping up its west end which was being stripped away and taken north by the cold front. Then when it sped up just before landfall, it could not pull anything from the west side at all. There was no moisture to speak of on its SE side when landing. My guess is when the cold low pressure joined up with Sandy, it pulled Sandy in and sped up its forward motion basically ripping the Hurricane/Tropical Storm apart. So the joining of the storms actually made Sandy less powerful, which was the opposite of what they predicted. Forecasters forgot that cold air is more dense then warm air.


35 posted on 10/30/2012 1:23:35 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Having stated that, it was obvious that north and north east of landfall was going to experience record flooding. That was always a given, if it took the path that it took. Speeding up its forward motion, which was not predicted, actually lessened the severity of the flooding. IE - The storm had less time to apply its pressure and wind forces to water motion.


36 posted on 10/30/2012 1:27:53 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

That was dry air wrapping in. The cold front was still out in central PA.


37 posted on 10/30/2012 1:33:34 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: justa-hairyape

The increased forward speed was a two-edged sword. As a result, the storm made landfall at the Jersey Shore before the Monday evening high tide. But the wind around the back of the eye remnant ran right into NYC at high tide and helped pump the tide there to record levels.


38 posted on 10/30/2012 1:44:04 PM PDT by dirtboy
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