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Could a Hurricane Like Sandy Postpone the Presidential Election? By Andrew Cohen
The Atlantic ^ | Oct 29 2012 | Andrew Cohen

Posted on 10/29/2012 4:52:44 PM PDT by mdittmar

Yes: Congress would lead the way in rescheduling it, but the states would have to sign on. And, no, there's no plan yet on the public books.

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No matter how bad Hurricane Sandy turns out to be, it could have been a lot worse: It could have struck one week later than it did, swamping the 2012 presidential election in its low-pressure trough. As hard as it will be for officials to recover from the storm in time for next week's vote, and as frustrated as many early voters will be this week amid the flood waters, just imagine how many citizens would have been deprived of their ability to vote if the hurricane had blown through the East Coast on November 5 or 6. No trains. No buses. No roads. No electricity. No polling stations. No poll watchers. No voting for tens of millions of Americans.

We got lucky, in other words, at least as far as the election is concerned -- an election remarkably void, it must be said, of any meaningful dialogue about the effects of global warming on America's climate. The timing of Hurricane Sandy is indeed a reminder that there are things in this world far more powerful than our presidential campaigns and stump-speech timetables. It's a reminder that also raises an important question many storm watchers might reasonably be asking themselves as the rain and wind pounds down on them. Could America ever delay a presidential election due to a natural event or other catastrophe?

The short answer is yes.

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1 posted on 10/29/2012 4:52:45 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

The short answer is NO!

They can talk about it, they can pass laws. They might even get the states to go along with it.

However the Constitution does not say the first Tuesday of November “weather permitting”

It also does not say “early voting is allowed” but that’s a whole nother can of worms.


3 posted on 10/29/2012 4:55:23 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: mdittmar

Sandy is heading in via Joisey...Chris Christie will either chase the storm back out to sea (yes, he has the girth to do that) or arrange for every citizen’s vote to be counted manually.


4 posted on 10/29/2012 4:55:55 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: mdittmar

A category I hurricane postponing an election? That’s something even a world war and a civil war couldn’t do.


5 posted on 10/29/2012 4:56:32 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: mdittmar

If this Hurricane was hitting Texas, Mississippi and Alabama—all red states- would their be any discussion about postponing the election? Probably not.


6 posted on 10/29/2012 4:56:34 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: mdittmar
Could America ever delay a presidential election due to a natural event or other catastrophe?

Hey Andy, you wish.

7 posted on 10/29/2012 4:57:57 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: mdittmar

If Obama announces temporary emergency funds for 50 million Americans in the path of the storm, would he not get easily re-elected?


8 posted on 10/29/2012 4:58:31 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: cableguymn
However the Constitution does not say the first Tuesday of November “weather permitting”

The Constitution does not say when any election is to take place.

9 posted on 10/29/2012 4:59:57 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: GeronL
If Obama announces temporary emergency funds for 50 million Americans in the path of the storm, would he not get easily re-elected?

No, because Sandy is mostly hitting Blue States and those voting for Romney would not be so easily swayed.

10 posted on 10/29/2012 5:01:56 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: cableguymn
I agree with you on the travesty of early voting. The election is supposed to be a "snapshot" in time - not a dragged out process, subject to manipulation and fraud. I do think that our military should be able to vote by absentee ballot and perhaps businessmen who will be away on business trips. Other than that, everybody should show up on the one day.

If one can't get to the polling place on Election Day, tough luck. I missed out on voting one year because I was working at the airport and had to stay past my regular shift due to flight delays. But I didn't go around saying I was disenfranchised. Those are the breaks. I should have voted before going to work that day.

11 posted on 10/29/2012 5:02:57 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: mdittmar

> Could a Hurricane Like Sandy Postpone the Presidential Election?

Probably if it looks like the dictator is going to lose.


12 posted on 10/29/2012 5:03:03 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: mdittmar

Obama’s voters can’t vote - its all Sandy’s fault!

So the MSM seriously considers canceling the election. Look how far we have come!

These people live in another universe altogether. Acts Of God, its all political theater to them.

Another pretext for depriving us of our freedoms. That’s who the Left is - these people are in serious need of mental help!


13 posted on 10/29/2012 5:03:44 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved FrieGrnd Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: mdittmar

Life’s tough.

Why not post pone the electoral college balloting?

Or, change the date of transition from January 20th to whenever the Cherry Blossoms bloom?

This is going to be a huge disaster, epic in fact but, life goes on apace.


14 posted on 10/29/2012 5:04:43 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Fiji Hill

in 1888 the year my grandmother was born there was a really bad snow storm through out the midwest (she was born in October) travel was not as easy then and NO ONE talked ever about the idea of postponing the election


15 posted on 10/29/2012 5:07:29 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Vendome

I mean hey - if the Messiah and his scribblers can’t take a little ol’ hurricane in stride, what they can take?

What a bunch of wimps!


16 posted on 10/29/2012 5:07:36 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved FrieGrnd Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Repeal 16-17; cableguymn; mdittmar; All

Actually:

 

Article II

Section 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.


The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

 

Chapter 1.  Presidential Elections and Vacancies

Return to 3 USC Ch. 1, Table of Contents

Time of appointing electors

§ 1. The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.

Failure to make choice on prescribed day

§ 2. Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.

 

A uniform date for choosing presidential electors was instituted by the Congress in 1845

In 1845, the United States was largely an agrarian society. Farmers often needed a full day to travel by horse drawn vehicles to the county seat to vote. Tuesday was established as election day because it did not interfere with the Biblical Sabbath or with market day, which was on Wednesday in many towns.


17 posted on 10/29/2012 5:17:23 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Repeal 16-17; cableguymn

“The Constitution does not say when any election is to take place.”

Yup it is in the US Code, not the Constitution.


18 posted on 10/29/2012 5:20:18 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Vendome

There is no logical reason we need to hold an election in November. We can hold it in December.

Then again, this is the most stupid thing I ever heard of in my life. Arrangements can be made for those affected by Sandy.

But it doesn’t require canceling a national election. The MSM is coming up with this meme because they dread an Obama loss and want to undo it.

Good luck with it!


19 posted on 10/29/2012 5:21:45 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved FrieGrnd Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: mdittmar

Since Sandy is no longer classified as a hurricane, moot point? lol


20 posted on 10/29/2012 5:27:19 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Repeal 16-17; cableguymn; mdittmar; All

Can’t post the image of the act but here is the record:

http://memory.loc.gov/ll/llsl/005/0700/07590721.tif


21 posted on 10/29/2012 5:27:28 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Nifster

My maternal grandmother was also born in 1888—in Kansas. She was killed in an automobile accident in 1953. I’m probably her only relative who remembers her, and I’m the only one who still decorates her grave.


22 posted on 10/29/2012 5:31:38 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: mdittmar

The Constitution requires that electors vote on the same day. The Constitution does NOT require that electors be selected on the same day. The method of selecting electors is left up to the legislatures of each of the states.

By statute, Congress has mandated that each state select its electors (by whatever method each state chooses) on the Tuesday following the first Monday in November. The statue also provides that if a state is unable to select its electors on that date, then the state legislature can select the electors on a subsequent date.

So if a hurricane or other disaster hits on election day, then the affected states are free to cancel or postpone their elections without affecting the elections in any other state.


23 posted on 10/29/2012 5:32:51 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: mdittmar

The Constitution requires that electors vote on the same day. The Constitution does NOT require that electors be selected on the same day. The method of selecting electors is left up to the legislatures of each of the states.

By statute, Congress has mandated that each state select its electors (by whatever method each state chooses) on the Tuesday following the first Monday in November. The statue also provides that if a state is unable to select its electors on that date, then the state legislature can select the electors on a subsequent date.

So if a hurricane or other disaster hits on election day, then the affected states are free to cancel or postpone their elections without affecting the elections in any other state.


24 posted on 10/29/2012 5:33:01 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: CatOwner

How in the world is Obama going to convince ANYONE after tonight that the subways of New York might still be at risk of Flooding? It’s over Obama!


25 posted on 10/29/2012 5:33:11 PM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: goldstategop
 
 
Or at least that's what I have been getting told of late by a supposed friend and I am actually getting tired of it.
 
I don't understand the concept of "Only I can speak and I did not give you permission to speak".
 
It's just some weird lemming anger which is getting out of hand.
 
My friend expressed her "dissappointment" learning John Stossel was on Fox now.  When I replied "I really don't understand your anger" she responded with "I didn't ask your opinion!  You don't need to comment!".
 
Un Effing Believable.  I just kinda hung out a little bit before walking away in silence, distrust and really tired of being told I'm stupid, racist and really that I'm incapable of just so much.
 
I'm guessing our friendship will come to a conclussion because she pulled that crap at a party and has done it enough times over the years that I'm just not going to tolerate it anymore.
 
I don't see the point to both of being in the same room anymore when it's all about her as she sucks the oxygen out of the room.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

26 posted on 10/29/2012 5:35:30 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: goldstategop

December? Don’t be crazy there now.

That would interrupt our representatives vacations.

/S


27 posted on 10/29/2012 5:37:34 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: mdittmar

If the election was tomorrow it’s a talking point, but it’s a week away. And this is another argument against early voting. We did fine with absentee ballots to handle those not in their local on election day.


28 posted on 10/29/2012 5:39:02 PM PDT by AU72
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To: mdittmar

I do not have a problem with the storm being blamed on a lower voter turnout in New York, Baltimore, DC, Atlantic City, New Jersey and N. Virginia.

Hell, if I had to guess, based on the weather, I’d say this is proof that God is a republican.

(I am joking of course) I do hope everyone will be ok and my prayers are with those affected.


29 posted on 10/29/2012 5:40:20 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Vendome

All we have to do is crown Obama Caesar.

Before the world ends on December 21, 2012.


30 posted on 10/29/2012 5:42:05 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved FrieGrnd Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Windflier

funniest tweet I have heard so far from someone in the hurricane path:

“Cleveland’s power still out. City enveloped in darkness. Rain & wind relentless. Phone battery waning. Burns when I pee. Possibly unrelated.”


31 posted on 10/29/2012 5:44:20 PM PDT by Ben Mugged ("Life's tough..... It's even tougher if you're stupid." John Wayne)
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To: Vendome
This is going to be a huge disaster, epic in fact but, life goes on apace.

It's gonna be hugh and series. Is that my beeber?

32 posted on 10/29/2012 5:44:49 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge; Fiji Hill
A category I hurricane postponing an election? That’s something even a world war and a civil war couldn’t do.

If this Hurricane was hitting Texas, Mississippi and Alabama—all red states- would their be any discussion about postponing the election? Probably not.

Both of you are spot on about this nonsense.


33 posted on 10/29/2012 5:48:37 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Ben Mugged
“Cleveland’s power still out. City enveloped in darkness. Rain & wind relentless. Phone battery waning. Burns when I pee. Possibly unrelated.”

Excuse the possibly inappropriate humor break, folks.


34 posted on 10/29/2012 5:53:01 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Nifster
in 1888 the year my grandmother was born there was a really bad snow storm through out the midwest (she was born in October) travel was not as easy then and NO ONE talked ever about the idea of postponing the election

I'm gonna have to roll an eye here.

I don't know how old you are but it's safe to say you were at least too young to remember the blizzard of 1888. The hills were higher back then. People walked thru 4' feet of snow up those hills to vote. It was too cold for the horses back then... There were no phones to call each other and hardly anyone could read.... But sure as I'm telling you now, NO ONE talked about the idea of postponing the election for that silly snow storm.

See what I mean? There is a bit too much conviction in your assertion. :o)

I get your point. I don't know of a presidential election that has ever been postponed for weather.

35 posted on 10/29/2012 5:53:54 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Vendome
Your “friend” sounds like she has narcissistic control personality disorder...most lefties have it
36 posted on 10/29/2012 5:54:38 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: Vendome
Your “friend” sounds like she has narcissistic control personality disorder...most lefties have it
37 posted on 10/29/2012 5:54:56 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: goldstategop

The media thinks God is a conservative. And the storm is God’s fault. So, they will over turn God.


38 posted on 10/29/2012 5:55:48 PM PDT by Terry Mross (To former friends and relatives. Don't ever contact me if you still support obama.)
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To: Jane Long

Amen!!!


39 posted on 10/29/2012 5:56:53 PM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama. GO MITT!!)
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To: Tenacious 1

Elections weren’t cancelled ( or even hinted at being cancelled) back then. My point was simply (and I knew my grandmother well,God rest her soul) that this silliness of somehow cancelling or postponing an election because of weather is just plain stupid. I just think that folks talking like this haven’t stopped to think about what people went through in years gone by in order to vote. Hell if people in Iraq can walk for miles in order to cast a ballot should we expect to do less?


40 posted on 10/29/2012 6:00:51 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: mdittmar

You mean like we suspended the 2008 campaign when financial Armageddon was bearing down on us?

This is what’s called bargaining. Actually, the Democrats are going through four out of Kubler-Ross’ five stages at the same time. (Acceptance is probably beyond them.)


41 posted on 10/29/2012 6:06:50 PM PDT by RichInOC (Romney/Ryan 2012: Some Men Just Want To Watch The World Burn. For Everybody Else, There's Us.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Come to think of it, why didn’t they have the gov run out on the Shore and jump up and down?


42 posted on 10/29/2012 6:10:02 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: cableguymn

1) The Constitution doesn’t set any date.

2) The law that does, says the first Tuesday AFTER the first Monday, not the first Tuesday. This means if the first of the month is on Tuesday the election will be on the second Tuesday.


43 posted on 10/29/2012 6:11:41 PM PDT by TWfromTEXAS
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44 posted on 10/29/2012 6:14:46 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=om93destr)
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To: Vendome

I had a childhood friend who gave me the same treatment leading up to the 2008 election. I discarded him shortly after Obama’s inauguration.

Friendship isn’t supposed to be a one-way thing.


45 posted on 10/29/2012 6:31:14 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: freedommom

I’ve been nice about for 20 years but, I dunno, maybe I’m getting older. Turn 50 next year and I just don’t want this type of friendship that is based on some synthetic superiority complex.

We can have opposing views but shouting down, shutting down or throwing out absurd insults is probably way past old for me anymore.

She sounds more like she’d be happy with the company of only those who think like her.

Sad, really. I enjoy hearing from all sides and viewpoints...except Moslems.


46 posted on 10/29/2012 6:35:04 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: M1903A1

Friendship isn’t supposed to be a one-way thing.

Zactly! And that’s getting to be my problem here.


47 posted on 10/29/2012 6:45:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

Been there done that back in my 20’s and stopped that crap from ANYONE since.


48 posted on 10/29/2012 7:29:51 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: mdittmar; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; ...
RE:”The Constitution gives the authority to Congress to set the day when the presidential electors are chosen, and when the electors should meet to elect a president. Since 1845, all states choose electors on the same day — Tuesday after the first Monday in November (November 6 this year). And electors in every state meet on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December (December 17 this year). Congress also enacted a Plan B: If a state fails to choose its electors on Election Day, the state has the authority to do so subsequently.....
If this actually occurred, Congress has the authority to change the date. As a practical matter, it would have to be a bipartisan effort. And there would need to near unanimity among the states, especially since many of them have non-federal elections scheduled for the same day. So, as a legal matter it is fairly easy. As a political and logistical matter, there are many complicating issues.”

There is no reason why lib eastern coast states like Maryland (my state) cant hold the election a week from tomorrow, lib gov O Malley may have to give up some of his early voting due to this boo-hoo-hoo.

It is not clear from above. What if a state like Maryland doesn't actually hold an election by Nov 6? They just choose their own electors? In this case I would prefer that. IF the Dems in Maryland general assembly and lib gov Malley gave them to Obama directly rather than this farce of a state election it would make my day.

Our first black Santa Claus Obama says he will refund states any extra election costs for early voting dues to this storm. Wadda a guy, wadda Santa.

You think you hate O? That is nothing compared to what I feel for gov O Malley.

49 posted on 10/29/2012 7:46:36 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: mdittmar

But, what if the Obamas can’t get to the polls?


50 posted on 10/29/2012 8:01:42 PM PDT by Misterioso ("Do you like Ayn Rand?" "Kinda, how 'bout you?" "Well, I grew beyond her." "Oh, me too, just today.")
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