Skip to comments.How should Christians vote on November 6th?
Posted on 10/29/2012 7:41:14 PM PDT by billflax
Christians frightened for Americas future face a conundrum this electoral season. Biblical precepts must steer our politics; loving God with all our hearts, souls and minds obviously includes discernment at the polls. When you enter the voting booth, says R.C. Sproul, dont leave your Christianity in the parking lot.
How should Christians vote their beliefs?
Only God knows either candidates heart, but Mitt Romney professes Mormonism. Culturally, Mormons make for great neighbors and business partners. Many behave better than most Christians, but faith is more than mere morals. When Latter-day Saints talk of Christ they conceive of a created being.
Barack Obama has articulated an Oprah-like ecumenical Christianity with many paths to the same place. Liberation Theology, which his former church preaches, superimposes spiritual vocabulary to Marxist thinking. Properly understood, Marxism reflects a complete rejection of Christianity.
So do Democrats apparently.
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My post was mostly meant to be humorous. You know, laughter, provide a little chuckle. It’s something you should try at least once before you die.
Daniel and others functioned well while holding onto their faith in the true God without adopting the many gods of Babylon and Persia
Evangelicals, Protestants, and Roman Catholics can take up their great theological differences with the LDS on November 7...
Well, indeed there were some horrific examples of so-called "Christians" in office...I can think of, for example...
...Warren Harding (Baptist)
...Stephen Grover Cleveland (Presbyterian)
But, to answer your challenge: Teddy Roosevelt in the early 1900s wasn't perfect by any means; but he embraced many standards...and fleshed many of them out well...Teddy R. was the first POTUS to invite a non-caucasian (Booker T. Washington) in to dine in the White House a half-century away from reformers like Martin Luther King...
(He was a Calvinist)
So you say...
The compromisers will think politically and realize that the campaign of Romney vs. Democrat for 2016 will begin Jan 2015...and they'll figure out, "Since we'll defend Mormonism 2015-2016, might as well continue in between now & then."
(Yeah, I'm sure if you were able to ask those aborted that Romney has favored to be "up" for abortion, they'd say, "Yeah, he's a 'centrist' toward keeping my body intact alright.")
(Ya know, only 15-20% of Lds are temple Lds...which means the huge majority of Mormons don't expect godhood status...but Mitt's a temple Mormon...I just didn't realize -- until you informed us here -- that had McCain or Sarah Palin announced in 2008 that they were "gods in embryo," that would have been perceived all across America as "centrist" and wouldn't have 'shied away' a single vote)...
Don't forget from our history: John Adams, Unitarian--Thomas Jefferson, Deist who denied plenary inspiration of the Bible--Benjamin Franklin, Rosicrucian
And Teddy Roosevelt was a class one progressive....geez...and you use inviting Washington to the WH as evidence of what???
I notice you didn’t mention the ever favorite Carter as an example of a horrific example (and yet should have)
Indeed, John Adams had strong unitarian beliefs...to most voters at the time, tho, they would have deemed him as "Congregational" [one of the strongest Christian churches in Pasadena, CA -- to this day -- is Lake Avenue Congregational Church]...Adams was Congregational growing up and was the lone church he was associated with as an adult...
My point here is that most voters would not have been aware of his Unitarian beliefs for them to evaluate him as such.
Romney, by contrast, in an Internet world, has no such "luxury" for hiding his Lds beliefs...tho there's plenty of compromisers on FR and elsewhere -- including the Billy Graham Evangelistic Asso Web site...that are doing their darndest to tuck those beliefs away and out of eyesight!
I went to this Web site -- http://rosicrucian.50webs.com/various/scribe-benjamin-franklins-rosicrucian-affiliations.htm...
Says there that the FORMER Rosicrucians that Franklin was associated with were fellow Freemasons of Franklin's...
That site says quite specifically that "those particular Freemasons [that Franklin was a part of] "were formerly of a group of Rosicrucians in England that divided, some becoming Freemasons and the others keeping the old terminology of Rosicrucianism."
Bottom line: The Rosicrucians & open Rosicrucianism here were "in England" -- not in the U.S. (Franklin wasn't in England)
Now it's apparently true then some of the Freemasons Franklin hung around with likely practiced Rosicrucian-laced Freemasonry...but that didn't make Franklin a devout Rosicrucian...
Here was the social sphere platform for Teddy Roosevelt's Progressive Party:
*A National Health Service to include all existing government medical agencies.
* Social insurance, to provide for the elderly, the unemployed, and the disabled
* Limited injunctions in strikes
* A minimum wage law for women
* An eight hour workday
* A federal securities commission
* Farm relief
* Workers' compensation for work-related injuries
* An inheritance tax
* A Constitutional amendment to allow a Federal income tax
The political reforms proposed included
Direct election of Senators
Primary elections for state and federal nominations
The platform also urged states to adopt measures for "direct democracy", including:
The recall election (citizens may remove an elected official before the end of his term)
The referendum (citizens may decide on a law by popular vote)
The initiative (citizens may propose a law by petition and enact it by popular vote)
Judicial recall (when a court declares a law unconstitutional, the citizens may override that ruling by popular vote)
However, the main theme of the platform was an attack on the domination of politics by business interests, which allegedly controlled both established parties. The platform asserted that
To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day
To that end, the platform called for
Strict limits and disclosure requirements on political campaign contributions
Registration of lobbyists
Recording and publication of Congressional committee proceedings
Yup...women voting in 1912 was indeed "progressive..."
Or perhaps you objected to an 8-hour workday...registration of lobbyists...strict limits & disclosure requirements for political campaign contributions...access for voter referenda...and judicial recalls...etc...
Obviously, the fed income tax has been abused...but somebody who supports RomneyCare -- and what Massachusetts has furthered expanded with that abortion-wise -- shouldn't be hurling stones at what the govt does with precedent-setting open doors...
Well, Bill, while Socialism/Marxism is counter Christianity, so is classical Mormonism...so your ignorance slip is showing.
How is classical Mormonism a "complete rejection of Christianity?"
Just go to the Lds "scriptures"...Pearl of Great Price...
In there, you'll find the section "Joseph Smith - History" -- which includes the supposed founding vision of Joseph Smith.
Look at verses 18-20...In those very verses...the Mormon gods tell Smith that...
* 100% of Christian sect creeds are an "abomination" to them...("all" means ALL!)
* 100% of Christian sect professing believers are "corrupt" ("all" means ALL!)
Elsewhere, Mormonism has taught that ALL Christian sects are "apostate" -- as in 100% of them -- and that Mormonism alone is the "restoration."
That is called, Bill, a "scorched earth" religious posture...where Smith attempted to build a gigantic spiritual graveyard for worldwide Christianity...and toss it in ... as he declared it dead...
His very first "revelation" in Doctrine & Covenants (1:30) declares the Mormon church to be "the only true and living church on the face of the earth"...meaning EVERY Christian church is false and dead.
That, Bill, is a "complete rejection of Christianity..."
And the compromisers on this site are "silly" not to take classical Mormonism at face value...for these are Lds "scriptures"...not just some sermonic opinionated reference from a Mormon tabernacle...
Bless you for posting sense in a thread soiled by a mouth-foamer.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
The pain you feel today is the strength you'll have tomorrow.
Not at all
You blythely skip over the most socialist of his policies...he was big government all the way. And the things you site as important make me question your understanding of free market conservatism
I will not be voting for Romney for a variety of reasons, but I can afford to be noble--I live in CA, which is unwinnable
We will not have the Kingdom of God until the King returns.
Having said that, America is the greatest expression in history of how a predominantly Christian or Judeo-Christian based society can flourish and be a blessing to the world, providing more freedom for more people in more ways than any other example--God bless may God bless America...
Correction. I just looked up our Illinois write in list and Virgil Goode is on it:
President and Vice President of the United States
Paul Chehade & Steve Mc Allister
Stephen Durham & Christina Lopez
Virgil Goode & Jim Clymer
Tom Hoefling & Jonathan D. Ellis
Jill Reed & Tom Cary
Jerry White & Phyllis Scherrer
President of the United States
Ross C. Rocky Anderson
Michael W. Hawkins
Nelson Lee Keyton, Jr.
Barbara A. Prokopich
Cecil James Roth
James T. Struck
Mary Ann Tomkins Segal
Roy Wayne Tyree
I have no idea who most of these people are, but among the names I recognize, I will be glad to give my vote to Virgil Goode, and recommend him to my family. The duty to teach one’s children how to make principled choices never goes away, no matter how old they are.
The Mormon part doesn’t bother me in the least.
If Romney made Mormonism the state religion, I could accept that WAY more than if Obama made Islam the state religion. Good Lord...no contest.
Btw, for those who don't know, Tom Hoefling is a FREEPER...and also worthy of voting for...so if Goode is NOT on your ballot for POTUS, but Hoefling is, vote for him...or vote for Tom instead of Virgil...