Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

EDITORIAL: Third-party votes are wasted
The Washington Times ^ | October 31, 2-12 | Editorial

Posted on 10/31/2012 6:47:43 PM PDT by jazusamo

Alternative candidates can’t solve America’s ills

It feels good to take a stand on principle. Knowing you’ve done the right thing for the right reason brings a feeling of satisfaction; third-party advocates thrive on this emotional response. The problem is, voting for an alternative candidate is rarely the right thing to do.

Supporters believe the Libertarian Party’s Gary Johnson would, if elected, be better equipped to restrain Washington spending. The front page of Mr. Johnson’s own website acknowledges that’s not something that will happen. He only seeks enough votes to make a protest statement. “Five percent of the vote ends the two-party abuse and allows Libertarian candidates equal ballot access and federal funding,” wrote Mr. Johnson.

That’s right, the Libertarian candidate wants your vote so he can get a handout from Uncle Sam: matching funds that neither Mitt Romney nor Barack Obama have sought this year.

Mr. Johnson’s complaint about ballot access rings especially hollow considering he had a fair shot at winning the Republican nomination. The former governor of New Mexico could have showcased his excellent record during the GOP primary debates, but his performance failed to excite conservatives.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; romney2012; thirdparty

1 posted on 10/31/2012 6:47:43 PM PDT by jazusamo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

Every time I read something like this it just encourages me to vote 3rd party.

The GOP doesn’t own my vote any more than the than the democrats own their slaves.


2 posted on 10/31/2012 6:50:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

I think people should vote for whomever they like. It’s kind of pointless for the WashTimes or anyone to spend much time worrying about it. The third party vote this year is especially small it seems, % wise.


3 posted on 10/31/2012 6:54:06 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeronL; cripplecreek

If the RNC would spend 1/10,000th the time making sure our nomination process was sound and good Conservatives could easily win the nomination, as they do complaining about withheld and third party votes, they wouldn’t have to worry about either.


4 posted on 10/31/2012 7:00:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Resident NBC NRD N3pmCs HCR / no birth C / no req docs / no 3pm calls / he can read)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: DoughtyOne

Exactly, the whining about it is just plain irritating. If they’d quit sliding to the left 3rd parties it wouldn’t be a problem.


5 posted on 10/31/2012 7:04:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo; All
"Third party votes are wasted"

Well, let's extend this "logic" , shall we?

Let's say Romney wins...and the winning party -- the "first party" -- is the Red party; and the 2nd place party is the blue party.

This would mean that if you voted for Obama in a red state, you "wasted your vote."

Obama didn't win; and in red states, Obama had NO CHANCE of winning.

Therefore, all red-state voters "wasted" their votes!

The reverse, of course, is also true, electorally -- even for Romney.

If Romney captures 0 electoral votes in clear blue states -- win or lose -- 0% of those votes in those solid blue states won't give Romney a single electoral vote he needs to win...hence all of those solid blue state voters voting for Romney...they wasted their vote!

2nd place by (state) race only counts in sports like horse racing...not state by state electoral POTUS races!!!!

So what is the "takeaway" here for voters like me, who will be voting for Virgil Goode?

Well until these authors (& accompanying posters) begin to lecture blue and red state voters not to bother voting for the obvious 2nd placer in those given states, then their inconsistencies ring quite hollow...and therefore, it's time they "sit down" from such a "lecture tour"...

6 posted on 10/31/2012 7:10:31 PM PDT by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

3rd parties = even more corruption and government spending than the 2 parties we already have. Just look at Europe.

‘Libertarians’ already looking for federal funding even though they know they won’t be able to cut anything else? Just makes my case even stronger.


7 posted on 10/31/2012 7:17:43 PM PDT by ari-freedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

Who wrote this editorial? Obama? Romney?

The Democrat and the Republican parties don’t want any competition? Really?

What a shock!


8 posted on 10/31/2012 7:24:16 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeronL; cripplecreek
I think people should vote for whomever they like.

Agreed, and that's exactly how it is.

I look at this editorial little different than a campaign ad from either party, It's anti Obama and that's not a bad thing. I suppose you could look at it as asking people to vote against their principles, probably true in the case of principled Conservatives.

We know what the bastard in the WH has done to the country in the four years he's been there and I for one don't want four more years of it.

9 posted on 10/31/2012 7:24:59 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ari-freedom

Sometimes it works out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_effect#section_2

Virgil could have the John B Anderson effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Anderson

Just imagine what would have happened if he didn’t run. (J B Anderson)

Sorry powers out, using 3G. Please add any comments to me on the server time out page. I’ll be able to read it from there :)


10 posted on 10/31/2012 7:35:34 PM PDT by Morris70
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

The problem is I don’t think principled conservatives have any of their own dogs in this race, which is sad. I do want Romney to beat Obama, but I am not going to pretend that Romney is some great and wonderful conservative.


11 posted on 10/31/2012 7:40:17 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: GeronL
I am not going to pretend that Romney is some great and wonderful conservative.

Nor am I, he's no conservative but I don't believe he hates the country.

12 posted on 10/31/2012 7:50:47 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

You make an excellent point. My state, Oklahoma, will absolutely, positively NOT vote to reelect Obama. Does that mean all the Democrats should stay home, because their votes are arguably “wasted?” I don’t think so. I may not agree with their choice for president, but each person owns their own vote. It doesn’t belong to anyone else. The only person who decides whether their vote is wasted is the person who casts it (or doesn’t cast it—whatever they believe is best).


13 posted on 10/31/2012 7:52:54 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: GeronL

What’s the foolproof plan for the next, hopefully, much more conservative Congress (both, the House and the Senate) when dealing with a “non-conservative President Mitt Romney”? Details, please.


14 posted on 10/31/2012 8:03:05 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo; All

I’d love to have Barry Goldwater (or Virgil Goode, or Gary Johnson, or Newt, or Ron Paul) in the White House, but it ain’t gonna happen... So, Mr. Principle, meet Mr. Reality.

A vote for a third-party “true conservative” candidate, or staying at home on election day, is colluding with the enemy. You may as well vote for Zero if you’re going to throw away a vote that could be used to oust the current Impersonator-in-Chief.

Better a “liberal” e-RINO in the White House than an un-American, anti-American leftist “comrade”!

FYI, some of my Tea Party friends recommend the $2.99 ebook, “Conservative Survival in the Romney Era” by Philip Klein, though I haven’t read it yet.


15 posted on 10/31/2012 8:06:34 PM PDT by Unc1e_Ivan (People sleep peaceably at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

A view not espoused by the DNC moles here.


16 posted on 10/31/2012 8:09:27 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I know what it is to be Black,to be hated for who I am, more so than Whoppi does. I'm a Republican.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

Romney is destined to disappoint, but Obama inevitably infuriates!


17 posted on 10/31/2012 8:12:51 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

“The GOP doesn’t own my vote”

Mine either.


18 posted on 10/31/2012 9:14:32 PM PDT by Holly_P
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo
WAPO trying to stem the tide of disaffected Dem voters casting ballots for the likes of Vermon Supreme or some other moronic alternative candidate.

I have personally talked 4 dem voters into this.

It goes something like this. Phone rings, Dem voter complains about Romney. Dem voter says something along the lines of,” all politicians are corrupt”.(This is how they look in the mirror after voting for Obama). I say something like,”yea I am going to vote for Moron Du Jour.” They usually end up either commit ed to not voting at all or agree that Vermon Supreme is the way to fly and viola, you just got 1/2 a vote for Romney.

I promise this has worked every time I use it. The dems (especially white ones) are super easy to talk out of voting if you don't come at them to strong. Make a kind of oblique, flanking type of argument and the will likely fall for it . You can suggest in a non partisan way that Obama isn't a bad person (if you can keep the bile down) but rather he was not mature and/or prepared for the low down viper pit of Washington Politics.

This has worked every time cuz most dems are very unhappy with where they are but they have to find a way to not vote for Obama without admiting that they have been bamboozled by a smooth Chicago Lawyer, that wants only to clean up on Iraqi,and N. African contract kickbacks.

19 posted on 10/31/2012 9:40:49 PM PDT by ping jockey (Candy Crowley IS A DUMBASS)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

Worse than wasted. Counter-productive.

The only message it sends is: “ I don’t know what the heck I’m doing when it comes to politics.”


20 posted on 10/31/2012 11:16:29 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo
.. Romney is riding in on a perfect storm and there has been no mass conversion to the left of center by Tea Party conservatives

The GOP E had better understand that...

21 posted on 11/01/2012 6:54:35 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson