Skip to comments.New York Times: Will Climate (Change) Get Some Respect Now?
Posted on 11/01/2012 3:45:20 AM PDT by Zakeet
President Obama and Mitt Romney seemed determined not to discuss climate change in this campaign. So thanks to Hurricane Sandy for forcing the issue: Isnt it time to talk not only about weather, but also about climate?
Its true, of course, that no single storm or drought can be attributed to climate change. Atlantic hurricanes in the Northeast go way back, as the catastrophic snow hurricane of 1804 attests. But many scientists believe that rising carbon emissions could make extreme weather like Sandy more likely.
You cant say any one single event is reflective of climate change, William Solecki, the co-chairman of the New York City Panel on Climate Change, told me. But its illustrative of the conditions and events and scenarios that we expect with climate change.
In that sense, whatever its causes, Sandy offers a window into the way ahead.
I was schooled in the far-reaching changes under way several years ago by Eskimos in Alaska, who told me of their amazement at seeing changes in their Arctic village from melting permafrost to robins (for which their Inupiat language has no word), and even a (shivering) porcupine. If we cant see that something extraordinary is going on in the world around us, were in trouble.
For the extreme hot weather of the recent past, there is virtually no explanation other than climate change, James E. Hansen, a NASA climate scientist, recently wrote in The Washington Post.
Politicians have dropped the ball, but so have those of us in the news business. The number of articles about climate change fell by 41 percent from 2009 to 2011, according to DailyClimate.org.
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You right wing nuts should quit your hateful agenda of denying the obvious ... cause I learned that we need a carbon tax from the Eskimos in Alaska when they showed me a shivering porcupine ... and if you can't see that something extraordinary is going on in the world around us, then we're in trouble!
Well, there's your answer right there.
So shut up about it.
Yea, let’s talk about the cold front from the North that stalled Sandy and drove the storm inland.
I just released some methane into the atmosphere.
The only respect climate change will get is from Al Gore who is trying desperately to recoup millions of dollars he invested in this hoax. This global warming scam has been debunked by so many scientists and meteorologists that the few left who believe it look like idiots. And most who support it have some kind of monetary reason to keep perpetuating the hoax.
I SO believe in climate change. Yesterday I didn’t have to wear a coat; today I did. Freaky.
Liberals, please do your fair share to end climate change: stop breathing.
Nope no respect for Climate Change Liars here!
Whenever Jim Hansen, a political hack, talks about "climate" change, he really means man-caused climate change, specious reasoning.
Yes, there is and will continue to be climate change on Earth, Mars, Venus, and other planets in our solar system. The cause of climate change is the Sun.
Other than foolish and scientifically illiterate politicians and hacks like Hansen who want to blame mankind, there is no real, meaningful evidence that mankind is a factor in natural climate change. Look outside, the only greenhouse gas is water vapor in the form of clouds. The connection between carbon dioxide and weather change cannot be made because there is none, except by alchemists.
Ah Ha! So you are the one!
If climate change was real, we should expect extended summers and shorter winters.
It hasn’t happened. There is no anthropogenic factor that drives climate on earth big enough to have a global impact.
No - what liberals do in supporting this scam is to take away our freedoms - to dress as we want, live as we want, work where want and vacation where they want.
Its not about protecting the environment; that’s merely a cover for our lives being under the thumb of benevolent commissars and bureaucrats.
A free country doesn’t need more central planning and regimentation from Washington; it needs more personal choice and freedom.
Now you know why Nicholas Kristof wants Big Government to keep tabs on us.
>> I was schooled in the far-reaching changes under way several years ago by Eskimos in Alaska, who told me of their amazement at seeing changes in their Arctic village from melting permafrost to robins (for which their Inupiat language has no word), and even a (shivering) porcupine. If we cant see that something extraordinary is going on in the world around us, were in trouble.
“Proving” theories by anecdote instead of experiment is not doing science. At least not in *my* universe — maybe in Manhattan that’s how it works.
Get ready, people. If Romney wins, “climate change”, the homeless, and a bunch of other stuff is going to make a HUGE comeback in the news.
I came across an interesting item when doing some research this morning. Hurricane Irene was apparently the first hurricane to make landfall in New Jersey since 1903. I didn't believe this at first, but apparently every other major storm since then either made landfall after declining to a tropical storm or made landfall elsewhere while causing widespread damage in New Jersey.
Does anyone think the jack@sses at the New York Times will mention this sort of thing?
“I just released some methane into the atmosphere.”
Was it SBD? (silent but deadly)
The funny thing is, if you go to Wikipedia’s current page on Ice Ages, the latest effect on climate attributed to Mankind is... We’ve forestalled the next period of glaciation. (You know, Chicago under a mile of ice, maybe a few thousand humans left alive on the planet...)
Seems like a good thing to me!
Ahhhhh, a bit of reality juxtaposed with smooth spin. He is right, no single storm indicates any kind of long term tend. However, they are still basing all of their " the sky is falling" sales pitch on computer models, not reality. Models aren't reality, especially when you take them outside their nominal inputs. In other words, when you try to use them to be predictive of situations with input well beyond any known input set. Then you have absolutely no real world data to anchor them too, no way at all of verifying their behavior. Trust me, grin, I'm involved professionally with large scale complex computer models every day, I know their usefulness and their limitations. Oh, and to make the gw, crowd's argument even more ludicrous, we now know they have been fudging, falsifying, and cherry-picking their data - this by their own admission in that series of emails that came out. I would have thought anyone and everyone would be too embarrassed to associate themselves with the dead-horse of gw. Guess maybe they are trolling, seeing if there is any life (ie money) left in it...
Isn’t it time for lefty network reporters and execs to stop buying houses on the water-front?
New York City is filled with @ssholes like this.
Let’s load up Central Park with copperheads and alligators and see if they survive.
When we have colder than cold winters they either say you can’t blame one event, or some go out of their way to claim it’s STILL global warming.
And when the air temperature, humidity and barometric pressure matches the historical averages exactly on any given date ... well, that's an indication of "climate change," too.
Sandy happened in late October. I doubt the ocean or air temps were higher than they’ve ever been during a hurricane.
BTW...some theorize that using a nuke, to HEAT the area above the eye could reduce the power of a hurricane. Hmmm.
Finally, all climate alarmists tell us the poles are warming..not the equator. Guess what causes weather? Temperature differential. You know, when the weather man talks about a COLD front moving in. If the poles were warming, we’d have less differential and less severe weather.
The idiots in this write-up attribute weather to a process similar to water boiling in a pot...where turning up the heat makes it boil faster. Its simplistic and made for the masses.but hardly scientific.
Hey, here’s an idea. All lunatics who think man causes climate change, put a plastic bag over your head, tape it up so it is sealed nice and tight and just leave it there. PROBLEM SOLVED!
Climate change: is it global warming or global cooling? Is it a result of human activity? Is the evidence overwhelming or incontrovertible?
Okay. TX, OK and LA will turn off the spigots to the oil pipelines heading north. The northeastern states can save all the carbon emissions. They better hope that globull warming is true this winter.
The clowns that promote and believe this crap have a responsibility to sell their cars and disconnect their homes from the grid.
So, when did you stop beating your wife?
Same question, right? Premise is WRONG.
We should ask Nicky Kristof if we should just bulldoze away all the destruction on the Jersey and New York coasts. After all, it would be stupid to rebuild if these hurricanes are going to be regular events because of global warming.
The fact that they don’t shows that they are simply deriving their righteousness from their faith in their advocacy, not even from their faith in their own works.
Probably not many of them would even accept the concept that “global warming” is simply a vehicle to collectivise and control people.
The people they support would NEVER have malevolent motives, because... well, “because I’m a good person and _I_ would never support someone with malevolent motives...so, if I support them, they are benevolent...”
Has anyone ever seen Al Gore and Chicken Little in the same room at the same time?
I thought not.
It is fairly well known that the vortexial suction produced by the smooth solid canyons of tall Manhattan structures induced Sandy to veer vectorially northwesteward.
Manhattan caused the northward moving storm to veer inland at New Jersey.
If the moon were in a different position (not full), the storm surge would have been negligible and the damage would be nominal.
Therefore, we need a moonlight tax.
For the extreme hot weather of the recent past, there is virtually no explanation other than climate change, James E. Hansen, a NASA climate scientist, recently wrote in The Washington Post.”
Well James, it could be explained by the fact thay you’ve quietly revised past temperature datasets (GISS) downward, multiple times...
A one cheek sneak.
That should stop the vast sea of NONSENSE that the "anthropogenic global warming" lobby is throwing at us over Sandy.
CONTRIBUTE or WORK to help those affected by the storm!!! PRAY for them!!!! But don't spout useless nonsense in the face of this terrible storm!!!!
I got an earful from a ‘Weather Scientist’ that Sandy PROVIDES conclusive proof of AGW and, anyway, the concensus among ‘scientists’ is that AGW is really, really true. Man is destroying the planet. AND, this is backed by a review of research data done by UCLA climate skeptics. Well, it turns out that the PRELIMINARY report based on a review of about 2% of the data (e.g. 2 readings out of 100) - says the analysis looks okay - but offers no real conclusion.
It does not address all the falsified data from University of East Anglia, NASA, etc. nor the 33K+ scientists who say AGW is unproven, nor does it address the exclusion of temperature readings from northern regions or from locations where exhaust gases, reflected heating from enclosed, sun-lit sensors, etc. that give inflated readings as well as recent analysis that shows temperatures have been flat for the last decade or more.
AGW is still unproven.
Even if the climate was affected by man, why would I want the buffoons in Washington doing anything about it?
Yes, the climate changed; it changed from sunny fall weather to a big storm. Storms happen.
I think global climate change should get the respect it deserves but not the respect it wants. Sincere respect does need to be solicited.
The problem is, they have been saying that for 20 years. A couple of years ago, I went and got the data from the National Hurricane center and found that there has been no increase in the number and/or intensity of hurricane activity in recent decades The data went back a hundred and fifty years.
Climate change is real! People wake up!
You watch... it’s going to keep getting colder probably for the next three months or so... it will be so cold in some areas of the US that the rain will literally freeze before it hits the ground! Mark my words!
Then... it’s going to start heating up! In some places it will get to over 100 degrees!! And then you’ll know the meaning of global warming buddy! It’ll be so hot!...seereeuss!
Top experts say: The climate like stock prices will vary.
Great summary of a bizarre and wretched phenomenon.
whoops....that would be “came into the coast from east to west”
I’ll give “climate change” the respect it deserves: NONE!