If you want to have that conversation in 4 years you be wise to start it now as many of us already are. It will take a great deal of effort and origination to put together a 2nd American revolution.
We will require decades of planing and perpetration before we get to that point, and so far we have but 4 years into that road, and anther 4 still to come.
Do as you think best driftless2, But I see this game is already over. The American repubilic is dead as the Constitution practical limits on Government power, and the democracy that has taken its place has already in the process of murdering itself.
Frankly it is that process that we should be watching for that process is the process by which wealth is compensated from those with the sprite and drive to be productive and rewarded to those who choose to be idle thieves.
As the productive are driven out of business and onto the doll they or their children will cease to be patriots and become yet anther part of the mob seeking to consume the next bit of our population.
In this way we patriots are on the clock. If we are to stop this cycle we must amutate(secede) to cut ourselfs off from the criminal reach cancerous criminal bit of our population.
But each day that we wait & prepare that goes by the cancer will spread. It is thus wise to begin preparing the political, physical, and moral ground work for the revolution now, so that when the time comes that you decide it is nessary we will be ready.
The big thinkers in the conservative establishment were all behind Romney because he wasn't one of those nasty Tea Party types. Well he still got beat. Not by a lot, but this is an election where the Pubbie should have easily defeated a truly awful president. Didn't happen. Only one thing left to do other becoming Dem lite. Offer a true conservative next time. If that candidate loses, time to split.