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Must see: Karl Rove vs. Michael Barone On Calling Ohio For Obama (video)
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Posted on 11/06/2012 10:18:59 PM PST by i88schwartz

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1 posted on 11/06/2012 10:19:04 PM PST by i88schwartz
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To: i88schwartz

Irrelevant at this point. Soetoro has enough electorals to carry the election without OH.


2 posted on 11/06/2012 10:20:18 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: i88schwartz

A lot of these pundits have destroyed their credibility in this election cycle. I’m looking forward to the day Karl Rove and Dick Morris vanish from the airwaves forever.


3 posted on 11/06/2012 10:22:32 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: i88schwartz
Barone called this one for Romney with 300 plus EV's.

So much for him.

4 posted on 11/06/2012 10:24:48 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama Lied, Stevens died.)
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To: Alberta's Child

They are already gone in my book! I have no interest in listening to a political person for quite a long time.


5 posted on 11/06/2012 10:25:47 PM PST by klimeckg ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: i88schwartz
Michale Barone, the electoral guru who can tell everyone who their grandaddy voted for in every precinct in the country going all the way back to 1789.

EPIC FAIL

6 posted on 11/06/2012 10:26:12 PM PST by sargon
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To: Michael.SF.

Barone , Rove and Rush were all dead wrong. I am no longer a Rush Dittohead. He is from another world, culture, and century.


7 posted on 11/06/2012 10:26:45 PM PST by Galtoid ( .)
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To: i88schwartz

Fox was awful. O’Reilly gave the conclusion of the drama away at 8 o’clock.


8 posted on 11/06/2012 10:28:42 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Galtoid

Look at those three guys and watch the crowd at obamas victory speech.... we are no longer a majority traditionalist, white, European culture. The GOP needs to wrap itself around a more varying base....


9 posted on 11/06/2012 10:29:33 PM PST by Republic Rocker
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To: sargon

Barone and Morris and Rove were completely wrong.

Silver and the MSM were right.

Intrade was right.

I was wrong.

We were wrong.


10 posted on 11/06/2012 10:30:48 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: Republic Rocker

Fraud?

I do not know anybody who voted for Obama or Bill Clinton for that matter.


11 posted on 11/06/2012 10:32:55 PM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Republic Rocker

“...The GOP needs to wrap itself around a more varying base...”

The problem with that is Conservatism is NOT about what government can do for people. It is about liberty.


12 posted on 11/06/2012 10:33:19 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Yup... they are totally irrelevant from here on out... their words mean nothing, NOTHING!!


13 posted on 11/06/2012 10:33:46 PM PST by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: SatinDoll

If it’s Liberty vs Free Shit.....Free Shit will win every time.


14 posted on 11/06/2012 10:35:29 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Republic Rocker
The GOP needs to wrap itself around a more varying base....

Sorry, that base is taken. The Dems have locked them up with promises. Now that they are on the entitlement plantation, they cannot escape. The programs are set up that way - they punish people who try to wean themselves off.

Unless you are suggesting the Repubs try to out freebie the Dems. If so, how will that help? Entitlements will destroy this country, no matter who is giving them out.

15 posted on 11/06/2012 10:36:00 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: over3Owithabrain

We should never ignored the markets and odd-makers. They’re usually almost always right!

And good people like me, Rove, Barone and Morris can get wrong.

Blame us if you like! We made our prediction on the best available data at the time.

The country just didn’t agree with us! I eat crow and accept blame, not for leading people astray, but for always thinking the best of my country.

If you want condemn me for it - so be it! I accept your fury with grace and dignity.


16 posted on 11/06/2012 10:36:47 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SatinDoll
The problem with that is Conservatism is NOT about what government can do for people. It is about liberty.

THANK YOU. You're right. Being like the 'RATS would make us no different than the 'RATS.

17 posted on 11/06/2012 10:37:42 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (REVENGE wins.)
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To: jwalsh07

even if BOR sounded like a racist when he did it


18 posted on 11/06/2012 10:45:44 PM PST by Homer1
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To: 5thGenTexan
Sorry, that base is taken. The Dems have locked them up with promises. Now that they are on the entitlement plantation, they cannot escape.

I assume that most of this includes Hispanics.

Did you know that in 2004, 56% of protestant Hispanics voted for Bush? In 2008, 48% voted for McCain/Palin?

19 posted on 11/06/2012 10:52:48 PM PST by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: Galtoid

Did Rush make a prediction? He did discuss all the anecdotal stuff. I felt the same. I never in a million years thought OFA would get their entire base out like that. Even if Obama won, I thought it would be by picking off Ohio or Virginia. A very concentrated supper ground game. They cleaned up from coast to coast.


20 posted on 11/06/2012 10:57:21 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: i88schwartz

The architect’s greatest achievement is sometimes tomorrow’s condemned building.

Rove’s time has past... like a Cold War General he does not understand the current battlefield. That is true for most of the talking heads. They, like us, no longer understand the new America.


21 posted on 11/06/2012 10:59:33 PM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: ansel12
Did you know that in 2004, 56% of protestant Hispanics voted for Bush? In 2008, 48% voted for McCain/Palin?

Let's see how that demographic plays out this year. Plus, what is the Protestant vs Catholic split in Hispanics? My gut tells me there are more Catholics. More importantly, what is the Christian (P&C) vs. secular mix?

If they went Dem in the face of the attacks on religion we have seen this election cycle along, they are no longer voting their faith - Protestant or Catholic. You will have to gain them with something else, like amnesty and entitlements.

If the GOP beats democrats by becoming more liberal, has the country really won anything?

22 posted on 11/06/2012 11:03:46 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: dfwgator

On that, you’re speaking for yourself.


23 posted on 11/06/2012 11:04:13 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll

Actually, he is summarizing the election results pretty well.


24 posted on 11/06/2012 11:05:48 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: over3Owithabrain

Well said. I would not have guessed the outcome we witnessed. Losing, perhaps—but a lot closer than this. Like 2000 and 2004, I would have sworn we would not know the winner until sometime the next day at the earliest.

I really thought Romney would win it. I thought between 2010, the Wisconsin recall, the flubs with Benghazi and Sandy—not to mention the debates...how could we lose.

I still don’t know how we could lose.


25 posted on 11/06/2012 11:09:20 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: 5thGenTexan

You just learned that a sizable portion of the Hispanic vote is about 50/50 republican, and that’s it?

I think that it is worth looking into.


26 posted on 11/06/2012 11:09:20 PM PST by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: 5thGenTexan

Yeah, well the “free shit” as it was put, is about to crash and burn.

This nation is bankrupt, so I’ll just say this about “free shit”: in a year or two - maybe even less! - the subject will be moot because there will no longer be any money in the Treasury. Social security payments will dry up as will Medicare and EBT financing. Those who are on the dole will face desperate times.

The suffering will be terrible but the problem of bloated government will be solved.


27 posted on 11/06/2012 11:10:35 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: ansel12
Well, here's your answer:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2956256/posts

They overwelmingly went Obama and claimed it was about "the economy".

I think it really was entitlements, since the amount of money coming from the Government teat is just as good as a job for many in that economic demographic. And frankly, living off welfare in the USA is way better than the life they left behind, so it's paradise here - until the money rubns out.

Plus, with a little cash-only, tax-free work on the side, they score big time in their minds. Remember, they are comparing this lifestyle to their life they ran from in Mexico.

How you gonna attract this voting block?

28 posted on 11/06/2012 11:15:53 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: ansel12
It wasn't anywhere near 50/50. Go check out this article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2956256/posts

According to that, it looks like 70/30 to 80/20 democrat.

29 posted on 11/06/2012 11:18:58 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: volunbeer

He does understand the game, in fact, much better than anyone here. He is right that we cant win with the just the white male vote. For that, we crucify him here, for saying these things that we dont want to hear. Yet he won 2 elections. The hispanic vote needs to be courted, it is a guaranteed way to stop the leftists cold, but people dont want to hear that.


30 posted on 11/06/2012 11:20:56 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: 5thGenTexan

Read my post.

Protestant Hispanics have been about 50/50 republican.

In 2004 they went republican by 56%, in 2008, by 48%, in 2000, by about 48%.

I didn’t say Catholic Hispanics.


31 posted on 11/06/2012 11:25:41 PM PST by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: ansel12

I did. Please read my response. How many Hispanics are Protestant? He may have alreary gotten them - they could be most if not all of the 30% that went for Romney.


32 posted on 11/06/2012 11:28:37 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

Out of curiousity, how could any of our possible candidates who entered the primaries change the demographic lock the democrats enjoy? Anyone?

Even Herman Cain was going to be defined as a rich guy. The democrats have played every card of division in the deck and amazingly they have succeeded and minority voters voted dem.

We can come up with every logical reason in the world to vote for us because it will make their lives better and it is simply erased by the polarization of race.

I don’t like the GOPe and I have said for years they need to reach out to the emerging demographics. Unfortunately, the desires of these demographics are often in direct opposition of conservatism.


33 posted on 11/06/2012 11:30:31 PM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

You are wrong. You can line up a D and a R and have them both promise Amnesty and the Latinos will pick the D every time. Romney proved it tonight. Mclame proved it in 08. Liberals will never be persuaded to vote for a non D light version of the D candidate. Why should they?

The real issue is takers and makers, who gets what and who foots the bill. The “right” side of that equation has been fundamentally transformed by the Dem’s and trying to be more like them to get power is a phyrric victory at best.


34 posted on 11/06/2012 11:32:57 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: 5thGenTexan

I’m telling you the numbers, as far as what percent of the Hispanic voters they are, Pew says about 31%.

The real point is, when you see that a large portion of a voting block can be conservative, why not ask why, and then try to learn to capitalize on it?


35 posted on 11/06/2012 11:34:44 PM PST by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: i88schwartz

Karl was just grasping for anything that would keep him relevant.

Too late you fat POS. You screwed that pooch in 2008 and 2010 by opening your lard trap and working to undermine our choices.


36 posted on 11/06/2012 11:35:20 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: goldstategop

You and me both GoldStateGOP.

I predicted a strong victory for Romney/Ryan. I believe they were the better team. I did not believe anyone could have as bad a record as Barry Soeto and still get re-elected.

Evidently, I fell for skewed reports lock stock and barrel.

Came off looking like a six year old whose mommy told him she’d buy him a new football someday..., (whispering) after you’re sixteen.

Well, I’ve got nobody to blame but myself for being gullible.

Frankly, I am leaning toward leaving the Republican Party. This is only going to play out again in 2016, 2020, 2024, 2028... The party has a death wish, and I’m tired of walking toward the cemetery with them.

If I were the American Socialist Part, er the DNC, pardon me, I’d be very proud of myself tonight.

They have found a way to destroy this nation without a shot being fired. And the Republican party has been their willing accomplice for decades.


37 posted on 11/06/2012 11:36:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne (This space for rent... again.)
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To: ansel12

So, 50% of the 31% are Republicans. OK, that 15.5% of Hispanics are probably part of the 30% we already have. I guess I don’t see what you think there is to gain here.


38 posted on 11/06/2012 11:40:06 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: ansel12
"The real point is, when you see that a large portion of a voting block can be conservative, why not ask why, and then try to learn to capitalize on it?"

Because you can't capitalize on a conservative basis with mostly poor people who have themselves or immediate family in need of our treasury through the dole. You buy them, you can't earn them on the merit of good fair reasoning.

39 posted on 11/06/2012 11:42:21 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Vendome
Rove also screwed up Bush's terms as POTUS. He never fought back and let MSM define his administration. Even jackass rabid Freepers still complain about Bush.
40 posted on 11/06/2012 11:43:12 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama helped murder US Navy SEALs.)
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To: A CA Guy

HUH?

Are you an idiot? Protestant Hispanics are voting to the right of Catholic people and the wealthy, and you don’t want to find out why, and use it?


41 posted on 11/06/2012 11:46:52 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: ansel12
I am surrounded by hispanics here in CA and am married to one. I know of what I speak probably far more than you think I do.
Most latinos come here honestly to get on our social programs. So what party allows almost all on the dole and looks the other way when it comes to illegals?

Even my wife who talks conservative wants all these social saftey nets due to lots of her family being out of work often.
IMO residents who can’t support themselves need to be shown the door home, but that’s another story.

42 posted on 11/06/2012 11:52:40 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: over3Owithabrain
Silver and the MSM were right.

After bashing Romney for months and praising Obama for months, the mainstream media creates a self-fulfilling prophecy that gives Obama four more years. The MSM's biased coverage was probably worth billions of dollars, but Obama got it all for free. The MSM allowed Romney to have only 1 good night in the entire campaign. That was the first debate, which they couldn't hide from the American people. The rest of the MSM's coverage was a never-ending pro-Obama informercial that will continue for 4 more years.

43 posted on 11/06/2012 11:54:08 PM PST by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: Alberta's Child; sargon; Michael.SF.
A lot of these pundits have destroyed their credibility in this election cycle. I’m looking forward to the day Karl Rove and Dick Morris vanish from the airwaves forever.

I agree. What the hell happened to the (formerly) great Michael Barone? He predicted a huge Romney blow-out as well (300+ EVs?). Perhaps it's time for Barone to retire...

44 posted on 11/06/2012 11:57:18 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: A CA Guy

I live in a world of Hispanics as well, it has nothing to do with the voting data.

Hispanics that are “protestant” are about a 50/50 republican vote.


45 posted on 11/06/2012 11:59:43 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: 1malumprohibitum

Nope, not wrong. Eventually, there will be a time where 100% of the white vote wont be enough. It isnt all about amnesty, its about first acknowledging they exist, and then explaining why our philosophy is better for them. You dont have to win 50%, even...just enough to take out the Rat advantage. W did this, and won 2 elections in this same electorate.


46 posted on 11/07/2012 12:04:37 AM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: 5thGenTexan

Good gosh man, think!

When you have an identifiable group of a demographic, voting republican, then examine it, analyze it, find out why, and then try to learn how to use it with the other portion of the demographic.

Quit thinking in terms of race, or “Hispanic” when you find out that they are not all the same.


47 posted on 11/07/2012 12:05:56 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: nutmeg

He was going with the data we had at the time. Remember Ras and Gallup had a + 5/6 R electorate...well, that was a complete fantasy. If Romney wouldve got the 59 million votes McCain got, he would be the next president. All the talk about the Republican excitement, and yet their turnout sucked.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 12:09:05 AM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

In fact, what thell happened inOhio...I thought the EV was close enough that if Romney got the election day turnout that McCain got, he would win. Well, I guess he didnt get the McCain turnout, another reason why I think the ground game was crap tonight.


49 posted on 11/07/2012 12:14:54 AM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: ansel12
Me quit thinking in terms of race? You brought it up. You started this with "Hispanics...". This is toyr topic. I am responding to you here.

I suspect you will find that the are the percentage you speak of are willing the Hispanics who vote values over gimmes. I bet they are also not immigrants, but were born here.

I bet that the vast majority of Hispanics voting Dem today are immigrants (lived in Mexico and came here). To them, our gimmes are a paradise. Why do ex-pats talk about how cheaply they can retire south of the border? Because the economy is worlds' different. That is their world view. Welfare is a lottery payout level score for them in comparision to their homeland.

I am afraid the two parts of this deomgraphic are much like the two parts of the other demographics. Think you are going to sway the white liberals by understanding why conservatism appeals to me?

50 posted on 11/07/2012 12:21:30 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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