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Must see: Karl Rove vs. Michael Barone On Calling Ohio For Obama (video)
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Posted on 11/06/2012 10:18:59 PM PST by i88schwartz

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To: Republic Rocker; Galtoid; holdonnow; Rush Limbaugh; Sean Hannity
Look at those three guys and watch the crowd at obamas victory speech.... we are no longer a majority traditionalist, white, European culture. The GOP needs to wrap itself around a more varying base....

Exactly right. I'll continue to listen to Rush, but we also need a younger, Latino (Spanish speaking) powerhouse conservative like Rush Limbaugh out there to change hearts and minds.

The GOP has been forever talking about "reaching out" more to minorities, young people and women, but when the heck will they ever do it? The time to do it was yesterday...

Also... I just asked this on another thread: WHY do Asian-Americans always seem to vote for democRATs? Logically they should be self-reliant Republicans. I don't get it...

51 posted on 11/07/2012 12:22:49 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: ansel12

Maybe by a third generation if most are not connected to government employment or the dole.


52 posted on 11/07/2012 12:28:02 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: 5thGenTexan

You really don’t understand that Hispanics who are PROTESTANT Christians, are about 50/50 republican, versus the Hispanics who are Catholic Christians, or non-Christians?

Quit thinking in blanket terms of race or “Hispanic” and ask yourself what makes an Hispanic who becomes Protestant, a republican?

Is there anything useful to conservatives in that information.


53 posted on 11/07/2012 12:29:48 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: A CA Guy

Again Huh?

What is going on in your head? We already know how Protestant Hispanics vote, we have the data from at least 2000, 2004, and 2008.

Republicans won 56% of the protestant Hispanic vote in 2004, and 48% in 2008, they are to the right of the total Catholic voters and the wealthy.


54 posted on 11/07/2012 12:33:42 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: ansel12

Yes, I really, really do understand. Your goal is to target 15.5% of the Hispanic vote. Do you think that is the best use of resources? If you turned 100% of the Protestant Hispanic vote into 100% republican voters, do you think you would have changed even one race result today?


55 posted on 11/07/2012 12:35:41 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: 5thGenTexan

You don’t understand anything.

To quote my post “”When you have an identifiable group of a demographic, voting republican, then examine it, analyze it, find out why, and then try to learn how to use it with the other portion of the demographic.””.


56 posted on 11/07/2012 12:39:16 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation; LS; Jet Jaguar; StarFan; NautiNurse; GOPsterinMA
In fact, what thell happened inOhio...I thought the EV was close enough that if Romney got the election day turnout that McCain got, he would win. Well, I guess he didnt get the McCain turnout, another reason why I think the ground game was crap tonight.

Romney's Ohio "ground game": This is perhaps anecdotal... my husband and I put in several hours at the Columbus, OH Romney HQ and call center on Saturday, Nov. 3rd. Supposedly this was one of the big Romney HQs in Ohio. There were a few phones (surprisingly not a lot), with a wonderful bunch of older people - very committed to a Romney-Ryan win - working the phones diligently.

A very young woman campaign worker (or volunteer?) spent about 2 seconds "training" us on how to use the phone. We were supposed to ask targeted questions and punch in answers which would help with the GOTV effort on election day. The girl glossed over the fine points of working this computerized GOTV system. After about an hour, I finally figured out by myself how to work the system properly - she definitely failed in properly instructing us - it wasn't particularly user-friendly.

This young woman didn't know what time the polls closed on November 6th in Ohio when I asked her (so I could be accurate when talking to voters). She told me 7pm - turns out it was 7:30pm. (We live in CT, we don't know what time polls close in OH)

There was a big Ohio State vs Illinois football game going on while we were making calls. There was a room filled with young guys who were relaxing and watching the game for hours... they weren't doing any work. I think these guys were Romney staffers - not volunteers. Remember this is three days before the election.

I'm not saying these people lost the race in OH for Romney... but there wasn't a lot of hard work going on at that call center *except* by the hard-working, mostly "older" volunteers working the phones during the time we put in at that HQ that particular day. Three days before the election.

57 posted on 11/07/2012 12:40:44 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: ansel12

Speaking for what I see and hear regarding our Hispanics in CA. They contribute in a mighty way to our 30% of the country’s welfare. They are busy also filing false tax returns for thousands and the ones out here refuse to vote Republican over family members need of the government party’s social safety nets and desire to give amnesty.

I don’t know where these gazillions you speak of are, but they are not anywhere to see here in CA.

My own wife is a first generation whose mother came here under the Reagan amnesty. Of course her mom still thirty years later can’t speak English.
My wife is the only one working that can feed herself among the 8 or so from her family that are now residents or citizens. IMO she out earns the whole rest of the family combined and I assure you they try and get rent money and every penny she has if they could for themselves.
They came here because when you are poor in Mexico there is nothing, when you come to America there is our dole (treasury).

Like I said, don’t know about these large numbers of Hispanic voters out there, I sure don’t think I’ve seen that many in CA.


58 posted on 11/07/2012 12:45:24 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ansel12
What demographic? What portion? You are not being clear. How can anyone understand?

Are you talking about getting the other 50% of protestants, or getting some of the non-protestants? Saying "other portion" is ambigous since you refer to "Hispanics" as a demographic and "protestant Hispanic" as a demographic.

Other portion of what, exactly?

59 posted on 11/07/2012 12:45:28 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: A CA Guy; 5thGenTexan

The republicans won 56% of the Protestant Hispanic vote in 2004, did you know that?


60 posted on 11/07/2012 12:49:01 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: nutmeg

The GOP has been forever talking about “reaching out” more to minorities, young people and women, but when the heck will they ever do it

This has happened. It just yields next to no results. They don’t want to vote republican. They hate republicans and would drink acid before voting for one. It’s not a useful demographic to pursue. It’s about how much free stuff you’re going to give them and little else.


61 posted on 11/07/2012 12:57:59 AM PST by garbanzo (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine)
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To: ansel12
Yes. So? If we win 100% of the Protestant Hispanic vote it would be 31% of the Hispanic vote based on your numbers.

With a 50% increase of Protestant Hispanics (from 50/50 to 100), we are talking about a shift in total Hispanics of 15.5% (1/2 of 31%). And with a total Hispanic vote of 70/30 in favor of Dems this time, you are talking about moving the needle to at best 55/45 with all else staying the same, including no dillution of the Protestants in the Hispanic population by continued illegal immigration.

And what are the side effects of the consessions and/or efforts made to win over this 15.5%? How do you not lose in another area?

62 posted on 11/07/2012 1:03:52 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: ansel12

Wow, well they sure saw us through in 2012, good for them.


63 posted on 11/07/2012 1:04:14 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Are you just totally clueless??

None of us have any idea how the Hispanics who are protestants voted tonight.

We do know how they HAVE been voting though, in 2000, 2004, and 2008.


64 posted on 11/07/2012 1:13:07 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: 5thGenTexan

I don’t know how to penetrate your ignorance and refusal to read my posts.

I have never mentioned anything about increasing the share of the Protestant Hispanic vote.

Read my posts tomorrow and see if you can figure out what I have been saying to you, over, and over, and over.


65 posted on 11/07/2012 1:16:39 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: ansel12

Good for them. What ever it is, it wasn’t enough to get Romney over Obama.

I think the solution to the election problems is far more complicated than your Protestant Hispanics.
It’s the government party paying tons of people to have attachment to the government party.


66 posted on 11/07/2012 1:21:37 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ansel12
Name call all you want. This quote is not clear:
“”When you have an identifiable group of a demographic, voting republican, then examine it, analyze it, find out why, and then try to learn how to use it with the other portion of the demographic.””.
I ask again: what is "the demographic" you referring to?
67 posted on 11/07/2012 1:22:02 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: 5thGenTexan

The demographic of the Protestant Hispanic, why are they voting differently, and 50/50 republican?

Figure it out and it helps us understand how to win the overall Hispanic vote.


68 posted on 11/07/2012 1:25:08 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: A CA Guy

Rather than drifting away from what you and I were actually talking about, go back and look at what you first posted to me about in post 39, it was about the Hispanic vote, specifically the protestant Hispanic vote.

In 2008 they voted republican more than the wealthy did.

The over $200,000.00 income group voted 46% republican.

Protestant Hispanics voted 48% republican.


69 posted on 11/07/2012 1:33:35 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: ansel12
Figure it out and it helps us understand how to win the overall Hispanic vote. You are clumping them all together too much. I think the liberal Hispanics will not respond to the things the values voting Hispanics do any more than understanding values voting whites will give us the keys to get liberal whites. It ain't about race.
70 posted on 11/07/2012 1:35:57 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: 5thGenTexan

You are helpless.


71 posted on 11/07/2012 1:42:45 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

isn't it clear to you all yet that the numbers were manipulated for this outcome???? after 2010 these numbers couldn't be true.


72 posted on 11/07/2012 2:03:11 AM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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