Posted on 11/06/2012 10:42:38 PM PST by nathanbedford
Excellent commentary as usual.
As I ponder the issues you’ve raised, I’ve been giving considerable thought to the role government plays in modern life and what forces may be responsible for its increasing power.
The Constitution, designed to limit government and preserve individual liberty, was written for a primarily rural agrarian society in which shared Christian religious beliefs played a critical role in defining social values and acceptable behavior. In that time, a man desiring true independence and freedom could walk into the wilderness, purchase land at little or no cost, and sustain his existence by growing and capturing his own food. Inhabitants of rural areas to this day tend to be more conservative politically and socially, more religious, and more respectful of the Constitution than urban dwellers.
Today self sufficient farmers comprise less than 5% of the population. Most citizens are urban/suburban dwellers and are highly dependent on modern technology as well as other people for survival in densely populated areas. The concept of true independence and self sufficiency, much less the skills required to achieve it, are unknown to the average 21st century urban dwelling American. The interdependence of urban life and the scale achievable in densely populated environments seems to naturally foster the growth of government. Government assumes the role of defining common rules of social behavior formerly the province of religion. Government police power and regulatory control over commerce ensures the safety of citizens and the ongoing flow of life sustaining food and other essentials which urban citizens cannot ensure for themselves acting as individuals.
It may be that for the 21st century urban dweller a government highly involved in managing the interdependencies required to sustain life in densely populated areas reliant on sophisticated modern technology is as important as individual liberty to the rural farmer of the founding era. The choice of living in an urban population center requires the individual to rely on technology and other people for survival. The acceptance of government control, and acceptance of government limitations on freedom naturally follows. Perhaps this is why the urban dweller of today is so accepting of te collectivist mindset in which the desires of the individual are subordinated to the needs or goals of the community. To a man who has no concept of liberty the state’s role in everyday life seems part of the natural order not unlike the weather part of the natural order to the rural farmer.
As I observe the increasingly bitter political division between the densely populated blue counties, and the more rural and less populated red counties, I wonder if the system of government envisioned by the founders is simply incompatible with the requirements of organizing and sustaining a 21st century urban society. If the survival of the urban community requires a collectivist mindset, conservatives will not be successful achieving our goals of limiting the size, influence and power of the a central government dedicated to managing the infrastructure of the urban center. To the urban collectivist, individual liberty equates to chaos which is extremely dangerous in an environment where inhabitants are extremely dependent. If so the only viable alternatives to achieving harmony between the urban dweller and rural dweller are separation or coercive conquest.
It seems at this moment in time the primarily rural red county conservatives are engaged in a hopeless effort at persuasion through an electoral process designed over 200 years ago, and no longer embraced by the blue county dwellers. These “blue” urban collectivists seem determined to conquer and completely subjugate conservatives in order to ensure their own survival and well being. If this is the case we should be determining and executing our own strategy for survival instead of continuing to expend energy and resources trying to win national and regional elections where we simply do not have the numbers to prevail because the urban collectivist a will never be receptive to the message or willing to peacefully coexist. To preserve personal liberty it may be necessary to achieve true independence from the urban centers where a strong government role in daily life is deemed essential for survival.
Excellent commentary as usual.
As I ponder the issues you’ve raised, I’ve been giving considerable thought to the role government plays in modern life and what forces may be responsible for its increasing power.
The Constitution, designed to limit government and preserve individual liberty, was written for a primarily rural agrarian society in which shared Christian religious beliefs played a critical role in defining social values and acceptable behavior. In that time, a man desiring true independence and freedom could walk into the wilderness, purchase land at little or no cost, and sustain his existence by growing and capturing his own food. Inhabitants of rural areas to this day tend to be more conservative politically and socially, more religious, and more respectful of the Constitution than urban dwellers.
Today self sufficient farmers comprise less than 5% of the population. Most citizens are urban/suburban dwellers and are highly dependent on modern technology as well as other people for survival in densely populated areas. The concept of true independence and self sufficiency, much less the skills required to achieve it, are unknown to the average 21st century urban dwelling American. The interdependence of urban life and the scale achievable in densely populated environments seems to naturally foster the growth of government. Government assumes the role of defining common rules of social behavior formerly the province of religion. Government police power and regulatory control over commerce ensures the safety of citizens and the ongoing flow of life sustaining food and other essentials which urban citizens cannot ensure for themselves acting as individuals.
It may be that for the 21st century urban dweller a government highly involved in managing the interdependencies required to sustain life in densely populated areas reliant on sophisticated modern technology is as important as individual liberty to the rural farmer of the founding era. The choice of living in an urban population center requires the individual to rely on technology and other people for survival. The acceptance of government control, and acceptance of government limitations on freedom naturally follows. Perhaps this is why the urban dweller of today is so accepting of te collectivist mindset in which the desires of the individual are subordinated to the needs or goals of the community. To a man who has no concept of liberty the state’s role in everyday life seems part of the natural order not unlike the weather part of the natural order to the rural farmer.
As I observe the increasingly bitter political division between the densely populated blue counties, and the more rural and less populated red counties, I wonder if the system of government envisioned by the founders is simply incompatible with the requirements of organizing and sustaining a 21st century urban society. If the survival of the urban community requires a collectivist mindset, conservatives will not be successful achieving our goals of limiting the size, influence and power of the a central government dedicated to managing the infrastructure of the urban center. To the urban collectivist, individual liberty equates to chaos which is extremely dangerous in an environment where inhabitants are extremely dependent. If so the only viable alternatives to achieving harmony between the urban dweller and rural dweller are separation or coercive conquest.
It seems at this moment in time the primarily rural red county conservatives are engaged in a hopeless effort at persuasion through an electoral process designed over 200 years ago, and no longer embraced by the blue county dwellers. These “blue” urban collectivists seem determined to conquer and completely subjugate conservatives in order to ensure their own survival and well being. If this is the case we should be determining and executing our own strategy for survival instead of continuing to expend energy and resources trying to win national and regional elections where we simply do not have the numbers to prevail because the urban collectivist a will never be receptive to the message or willing to peacefully coexist. To preserve personal liberty it may be necessary to achieve true independence from the urban centers where a strong government role in daily life is deemed essential for survival.
Well put.
I think coercive conquest would be the better choice if by that you mean somehow getting the urban collectivists to relocate to more rural setting. If you could disperse the population more evenly then maybe the collectivist model wouldn’t make so much sense for all those people.
But then again it’s going to be impossible to relocate millions of people if large swaths of the country are successful turned into wildlife/nature no-go zones, rewilding etc.
As our agrarian way of life was exchanged for the city and the suburbs and the frontier was no longer available as an escape valve, the pressure for more government inexorably grew. Today, the Democrats keep the pressure up by flooding us with a flood of immigrants, legal and illegal, digestible and culturally indigestible.
Since they also control the institutions which should digest immigrants such as our educational establishment, they control the temperature of the pressure cooker.
Really! I keep asking myself, “Where is our Alamo?”
The simple truth is, I do not know and that is precisely why I did not make an assertion but set forth matters to be considered. There are many posters on this thread who think they do know but I am skeptical that they have read the raw data and even if they read them, I am skeptical that they are sophisticated enough properly to analyze them.
We are keen to assert blame and advance our philosophical predisposition: Romney could not have one because he was a Rino; Romney lost because he lost Hispanics and women and got pushed into an extremist corner. Romney should have run farther to the right or he should have run further to the left.
My point is that we have to be careful about what conclusions we draw and why and, equally important, we have to ask the right questions. Was this a mechanical failure or is it simply an unpalatable truth that conservatism does not sell? Somebody's opinion on these issues is of absolutely no value even if written on this thread in bold capital letters and italicized.
Where is the data?
As I observe the increasingly bitter political division between the densely populated blue counties, and the more rural and less populated red counties, I wonder if the system of government envisioned by the founders is simply incompatible with the requirements of organizing and sustaining a 21st century urban society.
I would suggest that it is not merely the 21st century that presents the dilemma: an incompatibility seems to have existed as long as civilization has been able to maintain what would be considered an "urban" area at any given time, and Jefferson's comments about the value of cities show that he was at least aware of it.
In any event, I have long said that the fault lines in the US are urban vs rural (and small town), and the blue areas will use any means to subjugate the red, including systematic ethnic cleansing via third-world immigration.
Mr. niteowl77
As usual, you have written an insightful essay on the problem.
Your observations on race are spot on. Indeed, it appears that we are running out of white people and there is nothing in the demographics that suggest a way out of that and its implications. I cannot recall the author but someone once wrote “Demographics is destiny.”
It is plain as can be to me that the majority of the Mexicans and other Latin American immigrants (legal and otherwise) are here only to derive wealth from this country and have very little to no interest in our political institutions.
Freedom and prosperity may be just a “moment” that we were lucky to experience.
Why did you bury the lead?
That is how most people vote. Always have been. Which is why democracy is not a stable form of government. Most people do not have the ability or the time to think about the issues. They worship the god in their belly.
Demographically, we also have to acknowledge what is going on. The West is over. We in North America are in a better position that those in Europe, as most of our immigrants are at least familiar with Western Civilization.
The real question is what do we do now? Where do we go from here? People don't want fiscal or social conservatism right now, because that means a check on the appetite. Self denial is the only mortal sin the culture recognizes today.
People want a boss. It makes them feel safe.
I'm as anti-amnesty as you are, so don't get me wrong.
However a Romney election was the last chance we had to stop or reverse the tide of illegals.
One of the crucial factors in Romney's loss was that we have already reached the tipping point whereby non-assimilated immigrants have taken away political control from traditional American citizens.
Now, with Obama safely entrenched, we will see an even greater expansion in our population of non-assimilated immigrants. And they will vote, legally or not.
If this analysis is correct, then no GOP standard-bearer who holds our opinion will be able to win, ever again. Which of course is a dreadful calamity for our nation.
Agreed, and *this has to be a pubric skrewl thing, where the girls grow up with the Amish kid and so they perceive he has two strikes starting out. They see Bobo floundering like that same Amish kid they knew in school, they one that no one would ever give a second chance to (perhaps rightfully so), and this is the way to make up for it.
Short of putting anti-estrogens in the water supply, there is no way to combat that female mindset. None.
Pity, if you had read further you would have encountered:
there simply no denying the obvious, the Republican Party is not succeeding as a messenger for conservatism and conservatism has not crafted a message which works with the public?
“Moderate to liberal GOP candidates for President don’t win.”
Explain the conservative, fire-breathing Alan West loss.
Well,
1. This graphic of the exit polls compared to 2008 is very instructive:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/2012-exit-polls/
Romney improved compared to McCain as you would expect with all segments of the populations except hispanics and Asian Americans. Romney improved with women, with men, with the youth, with blacks, with moderates, with independents, Jews, Catholics, etc.
The problem as I see it is two fold. Romney improved with those groups but not quite enough in FL, NH, OH, and VA. Both hispanics and Asian Americans moved against him pretty dramatically.
2. I guess with hispanics Americans the key issue is immigration. But with Asian Americans what is it. Is it respect for authority and the power of incumbency? I have seen little mention of this this year, not nearly as much as mentioned when other incumbent presidents have been running.
Still the party of self-reliance and hard work and God lost two immigrant groups who are known for hard work. This is particularly true of Asian Americans. Also hispanic American typically have values much closer to the GOP than the Democrats. The GOP and its presidential candidates must find a way to get its fair share of these voters. The GOP has with Roman Catholic voters, with Italian voters, with Irish voters, with various groups that in the past have been Democrat groups, so it can be done.
2. Traditionally weak campaigns pick VP candidates who have never won a statewide office. Statewide office holders smell a loser and do not sign up for VP with Goldwater, Mondale, ect. I do not think that was the case this time, but picking Ryan still could be viewed by some voters as a sign Romney was not a good candidate. Ultimately, Ryan brought nothing to the ticket. Romney appears plenty enough of a policy wonk that he did not need to add policy wonk cred to his ticket. Whether Rubio would have brought in Florida or Santorum Pennsylvania we can never know for sure, but Romney should have tried to make the VP choice count.
3. Romney’s ground game may not have been up to snuff. Since I posted last night he has at least surpassed McCain’s 2008 vote in VA. So maybe the early view on turnout is wrong, but what happened to the energy of 2010? Why wasn’t that tapped?
Sure thing.
Can you say "vote fraud"?
Systematic, calculated, nation-wide, most likely run right out of the WH through the Spanish company hired to "count" all the votes last year and with their pimp media's full knowledge and support. If there's been estimates that Romney turned out 14,000,000 FEWER votes than McCain, I'd bet that there's that exact same number of folks got themselves disenfranchised last night.
We just got royally screwed, gyrene.
Very well thought-out article, thank you.
I might add one other failure that I cringed about was Romney’s insistence in the debates that “we have to crack down on China for cheating and manipulating their currency.”
That just lost him most of the Asian vote here in America. And besides, isn’t the US “manipulating their currency???” Duh! And it will create a trade war, which fiscal conservatives are fundamentally against.
Given the huge MSM headwinds against him, Romney was amazingly close. The idealists (Freepers and libertarians) who are delusional enough about modern American culture to think that running a more conservative candidate than Romney – and win – are in for a big disappointment.
This country is now too stupid/brainwashed, so the reversal CAN ONLY be done incrementally. Romney would have been a stepping stone back to full conservatism. Rome wasn’t rebuilt in a day.
So, I was indeed enjoying your article until I got to this last sentence:
“Unless we fix what is wrong we will lose it again and again until there is nothing left in America to save. We are running out of time, we are running out of money, and we are running out of white people.”
What does conservatism have to do with skin color???
Why did you write a very thoughtful analysis of Romney strategic missteps - which I agree with - and then end on this note?
If at all possible, I encourage you to rewrite that last sentence with something to the effect of: “We are running out of CONSERVATIVES” lest you come across as the White Supremacist that you probably are.
Please don’t continue to give the left any ammo against those of us fiscal conservatives who strive for a colorblind society (e.g. no affirmative action, no government racism).
It’s comments like that and the use of a nathanbedford handle that give conservatives a bad name. And yes I read your profile rationale of your moniker. Doesn’t fly with me at all and your last paragraph shows your true self.
Exactly!
When we let the other side control media and education, we are fighting with a profound handicap. Conservatives must start pushing into those areas for the long haul. It will take a generation or two, as it did for liberals.
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