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Mitt Romney has fewer votes than John McCain received in 2008! Republicans stayed home
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Posted on 11/07/2012 1:14:10 AM PST by Arthurio

Mitt Romney has fewer votes than John McCain received in 2008! Republicans stayed home!

As of right now, Romney has close to 56,000,000 votes nationwide. In 2008, John McCain had nearly 60,000,000 votes. (Per Wikipedia)

It looks like if all the people who voted for McCain turned out again and voted for Romney, we would have been rid of the Kenyan once and for all.

People stayed home.

It looks like all the Freepers who said they'd never vote for Mitt were not making idle threats


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To: newzjunkey
RE:”They ran a safe “Don't worry about the polls because we are winning automatically “ campaign while Rush assured his listeners that the polls were not real.
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Uh... Romney was WINNING in the polls. Is your memory that short? “

You dont remember Rush warning that all the polls showing R/R behind were manufactured to demoralize R voters? It was posted all over here. You dont remember him saying to ignore the polls? Well they listened.

181 posted on 11/07/2012 11:06:58 AM PST by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy

There are times when I think we try to examine our side’s weaknesses to the exclusion of the other sides strong points.

Could anyone have won against all the things the Democrats were willing to do to win this election?

We have watched the Democrats replace the education system with what amounts to indoctrination centers.

We have watched them cater to women’s darker side.

We have watched them cater to the underbelly of humanity.

We have watched them promise every goodie possible to the taker class.

We have watched them capitalize on the idea we shouldn’t be projecting our ideals around the planet. Some even here have bought into that. And soon, we’ll see what that reaps us.

How do you combat that? I would submit that no matter who we lofted this time, we would have had a difficult time of besting the promises of Socialism.

Our task, should we decide to accept it, is to destroy the ability of the Left to pander to these classes successfully.

How? I honestly don’t know. It has to happen.


182 posted on 11/07/2012 11:22:10 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yes, sadly, he didn’t. Our nation is going to pay dearly for this.


183 posted on 11/07/2012 11:23:48 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yes, sadly, he didn’t. Our nation is going to pay dearly for this. I will go even farther.

The global balance of power has just changed.

The steps have been put in motion that will result in the United States not being the driving force that keeps the world a more or less safe stable place.

Those who wanted the United States to quit meddling will get to see what they wished for, play out.


184 posted on 11/07/2012 11:26:27 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: DoughtyOne; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”If we knew nothing else but Obama’s actions as president, that was enough to think we couldn’t lose”

Romney was never ahead electorally in polls and in most he was consistently behind in swing states. He played it safe though, 'Its in the bag'.
My personal painful wake-up call was 2006 and I decided then that such wishful thinking I joined in on was not in my best interest even if it felt good for a while.

Now we got automatic tax increases and spending cuts (+debt ceiling) coming up. The GOP minority lame duck (now in charge of house) in 2010 did O a great favor by delaying those tax increases (+debt ceiling) until AFTER his election. They handed O that issue on a silver platter,

Has Mitch McConnell resigned from the Senate yet? He said it was his #1 job to make sure this didn't happen and so he failed his #1 job. What kind of reptile is he?

185 posted on 11/07/2012 11:31:55 AM PST by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: newzjunkey
Reagan was a generation ago. Today's fresh retirees were in their prime working years. New voters remember the hay-day of the Clinton "boom" which was the just tech bubble. Republicans have harmed themselves by doing the right thing: impeaching Clinton, fighting amnesty...

Many other people seem to agree with you. No wonder we lost.

186 posted on 11/07/2012 11:34:55 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: DoughtyOne

” The steps have been put in motion that will result in the United States not being the driving force that keeps the world a more or less safe stable place.”

We rarely talk about this, but this is a very serious issue.


187 posted on 11/07/2012 11:38:53 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy

” Has Mitch McConnell resigned from the Senate yet? He said it was his #1 job to make sure this didn’t happen and so he failed his #1 job. What kind of reptile is he? “

What kind?

Deadly.


188 posted on 11/07/2012 11:41:11 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
RE :”How do you combat that? I would submit that no matter who we lofted this time, we would have had a difficult time of besting the promises of Socialism.”

Jumping from ‘we cant lose’ to ‘we cant win’ in a day or so is a huge cosmic leap. I would start there.

Yesterday morning I recalled that Dem "I'm sorry world' website they set up exactly 8 years ago after GWB won re-election.

But Dems waited not long and soon they had Harriot Myers, Katrina, deteriorating Iraq, rising prices, a housing bubble crash......when will the GOP learn how to effectively use bad events against Dems when they hold the WH?

189 posted on 11/07/2012 11:43:25 AM PST by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs

I agree that sequestration is going to be devastating. I also agree that anyone who signed on to that was our enemy. I thought so at the time.


190 posted on 11/07/2012 11:55:02 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yes... it is.


191 posted on 11/07/2012 11:55:59 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Did you read on the forum yesterday where China is shopping for a place they can develop into a Chinese military base in South America?

They are seeking to set up choke points around the planet.

Now, lets just withdraw and let them run things, shall we.


192 posted on 11/07/2012 11:58:50 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
Jumping from ‘we cant lose’ to ‘we cant win’ in a day or so is a huge cosmic leap. I would start there.

I don't need to list them, but there were plenty of reports being published that gave cause for us to think we were going to win.

As I have said before, I was as wrong or more than anyone here. It wasn't without some basis for my belief.

Having been proven wrong, I have to react somehow, and it seems to me having been this wrong, has to result from something. I have touched on what I believe that was.

Cosmic? LOL

193 posted on 11/07/2012 12:08:23 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: DoughtyOne

” Did you read on the forum yesterday where China is shopping for a place they can develop into a Chinese military base in South America?

They are seeking to set up choke points around the planet.”

Yes, and moving rapidly to boot!


194 posted on 11/07/2012 12:08:42 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: sickoflibs

” .when will the GOP learn how to effectively use bad events against Dems when they hold the WH? “

Apparently, never.


195 posted on 11/07/2012 12:12:03 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Political Junkie Too
Rush is saying we are outnumbered today. Didn't he spend months saying to not believe the polls showing R/R behind?

I didn't hear the show, but I suppose a simple "Sorry, I admit I was wrong about voter turnout" would be out of character for Rush.

It's possible that some pollsters changed their polling methods late in the game to favor Romney too much, after hearing that Romney was doing better than their polls so long. The RCP poll final average (LINK) showed O up by 0.7 but in the actual vote count he was up 2.2. In 2008 the RCP average had Obama +7.6 and the actual vote was +7.2.


196 posted on 11/07/2012 12:22:27 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: null and void

Oh but it’s the independents that matter. /s


197 posted on 11/07/2012 12:23:08 PM PST by DrewsMum
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To: DoughtyOne; S; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
RE :”I agree that sequestration is going to be devastating. I also agree that anyone who signed on to that was our enemy. I thought so at the time.”

I don't know if it will or not. Too Much GOP hype as usual. You see how much they are spending? It certainly got O through the election with little pain.

Republicans in this congress made the mistake of thinking they got a mandate when they had no real power and Obama knew to focus all negative attention on the ‘Republican congress’. Clinton did it in 1995 effectively too to win re-election.

Now would be a good time for the Republicans to make O own everything bad. If taxes go up and those cuts go into effect at the same time the economy will slow some. They need to start calling it the Obama congress. Go back to 2009 and 2010 when all focus was on Dems.

I always thought Ryan was a real crappy choice to team with Mitt, Another DC insider white guy to go with the rich white guy. What type of thinking was that?

Allen West would have made a great VP attack dog and he is a vet. He could have taken the fight to Obama and America would know that the GOP is NOT just a club of rich white guys.

198 posted on 11/07/2012 12:25:17 PM PST by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: Arthurio; All
People stayed home.

It looks like all the Freepers who said they'd never vote for Mitt were not making idle threats

Y'all were told. You have to have someone folks can vote *for*.

Who was going to vote for Romney?

What does he offer the Christian Right? He has been Pro-Choice and Pro-Homo his whole life... And he is a Mormon to boot.

What does he offer the Fiscal conservatives? He is a businessman... that's good. But he also believes in Keynes, and big government... WAY not good.

What does he offer the Military conservatives? Nothing. No experience. No military background in his self or his family. No Foreign Policy experience.

What does he offer the libertarians and civil-libertarians? Nothing. He's a big govt. guy and always has been... He is a gun-grabber from way-back, and hasn't got a clue what federalism is or what a constructionist Constitutional interpretation is.

He got the 'I'm scared of Obama' vote, the 'Mormon "He's our guy, and may be the savior mentioned in the White Horse prophecy," vote', and the Republican party faithful vote - which turned out to be pretty much the same damn thing.

But 'Conservative' is NOT the same as 'Republican', and without the Conservative base, there is no way to win.

All y'all have to get outside of the Republican echo-chamber and mutual masturbation society. If you are a Conservative, that means you have to stand on Conservative principles. Stop falling for this 'boogey-man' bullcrap, and support Conservatives. Even if they are outside of the Republican fold.

Time and time again, it is proven that rah-rah Republicanism is utter failure - Even if you get them elected, unless they happen to actually BE conservative and ACT upon Conservative principles, at best there is only a Pyrrhic victory. And most often, there is complete loss...

Folks like me are shouted down and ridiculed as being 'purists'... Well, 'Here's yer sign', AGAIN, even yet:

What we know, that y'all can't seem to grasp is that the principles that we stand upon are timeless and immovable. But those principles are not held by ALL of us. Some are owned by the Christian Right.... Some by the Fiscal Conservatives... Some by the Military Conservatives... and etc. The minute that ANY ONE group is sent to the back of the bus, when any one of those deeply held convictions is compromised, we no longer have the votes to win. The great Conservative Juggernaut splits into it's original factions and sinks back into the vast sea of voters.

So the purity that so many here hate is the very thing that allows success. The very act of compromising on principle removes the chance of success.

Pragmatism is the death of us all. You can blame any other thing you want, but the truth is that liberalism is succeeding, not by the weight of it's own merit, but because there is no opposition to it - And the reason there is no opposition to it is because well meaning folks keep voting in more moderates (pragmatists) and liberals into the Republican party - that which used to be the supposed opposition.

Sorry, this isn't aimed at you specifically - Your statement is just so obvious to me that I had to sound off.

199 posted on 11/07/2012 12:25:17 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Impy

I agree it would be sick if anti-Morman Christians let McCain get more votes than Romney. But it’s just as sick to assume that Obama is less liberal than Romney.


200 posted on 11/07/2012 12:33:10 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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