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Mitt Romney has fewer votes than John McCain received in 2008! Republicans stayed home
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Posted on 11/07/2012 1:14:10 AM PST by Arthurio

Mitt Romney has fewer votes than John McCain received in 2008! Republicans stayed home!

As of right now, Romney has close to 56,000,000 votes nationwide. In 2008, John McCain had nearly 60,000,000 votes. (Per Wikipedia)

It looks like if all the people who voted for McCain turned out again and voted for Romney, we would have been rid of the Kenyan once and for all.

People stayed home.

It looks like all the Freepers who said they'd never vote for Mitt were not making idle threats


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To: Northern Yankee

Interesting numbers I’m seeing this morning. Obama got 10K less votes than in 2008 and Romney got 3K less than McCain did. I think if R. had just gotten all the votes McC. did he would have prevailed.

It’s just a very disappointing outcome all around.


151 posted on 11/07/2012 6:55:24 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Impy; All

“I would maybe vote for black democrat Cory Booker (his likley opponent) just to beat him if I lived in NJ.”

Yeah...or just don’t vote. By the time the next elections come around, gas should be, oh $6/gallon. Save a few cents.


152 posted on 11/07/2012 7:02:10 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: over3Owithabrain

Politico said the day after the election in 2008 that 130 million voted. Wikipedia says the final result was about 131 million. So these numbers probably won’t go up.

Have we seen numbers to show the base stayed home? It’s possible that Obama’s negative campaign drove down turnout of independents who disliked Obama but thought Romney was an unacceptable alternative.

Some of the negative campaigning was trumped-up garbage like the war on women. But some of it was extremely predictable and was used against Romney in the primaries, like his flip-flopping (Romnesia) and his record on Bain Capital, easily spun as someone who lays off workers, as shown by the ads Newt used in South Carolina.


153 posted on 11/07/2012 7:08:13 AM PST by JediJones (Vote NO on Proposition Zero! Tuesday, November 6th!)
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To: GOPsterinMA

My polling place is half a block from my house.

If it wasn’t, I might never vote again.


154 posted on 11/07/2012 7:09:26 AM PST by Impy (Boehner for President - 2013)
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To: zt1053

Obama went down 10 million votes from 2008, Romney went down 3 million from McCain. If this was a war, you’d have to say conservatives have gained ground since 2008. Obama suffered over 3 times as many casualties as we did. It just wasn’t enough to best his huge base of support as an American Idol, celebrity president and a clean, articulate candidate of color that gives a lot of emotion-based voters a tingle up their leg.


155 posted on 11/07/2012 7:55:14 AM PST by JediJones (Vote NO on Proposition Zero! Tuesday, November 6th!)
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To: null and void; All

” MASSIVE fraud, for starters, there were multiple reports in multiple states of electronic voting machines repeatedly registering a Romney vote as an Obama vote. “

Obama and his Marxist cohorts perfected the art of vote fraud. Don’t forget that Obama spent the past month begging for the illegal immigrant vote as well, and apparently, he got a few million of them.


156 posted on 11/07/2012 7:57:03 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: JediJones

Maybe Kevin Madden shouldn’t have dissed Sarah a few days before the 2008 election and suggested that McCain should have picked someone to be VP “who has been a governor for a long time”. Sarah’s support probably could have put Mitt over the top.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/amandacarpenter/2008/10/28/romney_supporters_trashing_palin


157 posted on 11/07/2012 7:59:20 AM PST by IM2MAD (IM2MAD=Individual Motivated 2 Make A Difference)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Political Junkie Too; Liz; sickoflibs; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; ...

” I think it’s open borders. “

#1

2) Left wing press. The truth never got out.

3) Romney never fought as a street fighter. Obama did.


158 posted on 11/07/2012 8:15:31 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: wastoute; over3Owithabrain

I saw that too...Fox was calling states with only 1% of the vote in - 1%!! - for FuBO early on.

I’m having a difficult time reconciling Michael Barone, Gallup, Rasmussen, and other polls having Romney ahead with this outcome. Doesn’t make sense.


159 posted on 11/07/2012 8:42:03 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I still have a hard time digesting these numbers this morning.... less votes than McCain is impossible for me to swallow. I know Obama voters in 08 that voted for Romney.

There are numerous factors that influence the race, but if the numbers from last night are correct, there is one major cause that we will not overcome.

The takers outnumber the makers.


160 posted on 11/07/2012 8:43:07 AM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: over3Owithabrain
Romney rallies have been standing room only. Obama rallies have been moved to smaller and smaller half empty venues, yet somehow you seem to legitimately think that come election day the enthusiasm gap flipped.

Why is that?

It was reported yesterday that exit pollsters were told not to interview "anyone old and white".

It was reported from several sources in several states that touch screen electronic voting machines were reading Romney votes as Obama. There were no reports of anyone pressing Obama and having it pop up Romney.

Google's ability to control search engine results has made the memory hole obsolete.

For now it just seems there are more Dem voters than us plain and simple.

There aren't more, but, the major problem is there are now "enough". Last election cycle we said if the victory is too great they can't steal the election. Now the margin is AT BEST 47%, steal 3% and we're done.

161 posted on 11/07/2012 8:48:58 AM PST by null and void (Day 1387 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: Impy

I understand.


162 posted on 11/07/2012 8:51:43 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: zt1053
But doesn’t this also show Obama got less votes than 2008. One could hardly call that a mandate.

No honest person could.

I haven't turned on the TV or radio yet, tell me what the Obama Media Group is calling it this morning, if you please?

163 posted on 11/07/2012 8:52:11 AM PST by null and void (Day 1387 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: GOPsterinMA

“...“Sandy is helping Obama.” She was right. Women saw that sh*t and lapped it up....”

And yet their lights are STILL out...and neither Obama nor Christie can make them turn back on.


164 posted on 11/07/2012 9:00:35 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Christie at the beach
Blame the GOP-e

I do. Reagan showed the GOP how to win landslides 30 years ago. Instead of adopting his policies, they've been chasing Reagainites out of power ever since.

They'd rather be Democrat-lite, rather than doing good for our country.

165 posted on 11/07/2012 9:05:40 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: zt1053
To me that spells lame duck real fast.

Me too.

Unfortunately to the likes of Obama, Reid and the OMG, it spells overwhelming mandate of the people.

They will act and report accordingly.

166 posted on 11/07/2012 9:06:06 AM PST by null and void (Day 1387 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Wonder how many people will let off steam by marching down to their town offices to change their voter registration? Might as well send a message; not that they will give a damn. Life will NOT change for the MSM; nor for Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Beck, and the rest...the little people? We’re screwed.


167 posted on 11/07/2012 9:10:31 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Arthurio
Thread title and premise are FALSE!!!

I took the current vote totals for each state from FOX's page and divided by the % reporting to estimate what the total votes would be when 100% reported, and totalled that. Overall we compute at just 90% reporting. I got 67M Obama, and 63M Romney, 52% v. 48%, compared to 69M and 60M, 53% v. 46% in 2008 for Obama v. McCain. As FOX only provided 2 two digits for % reporting I can only claim two digits precision, but that 52 % v. 48% actually round from 51.54% and 48.46%, a D+3 electorate instead of 2008's D+7. This presumes those votes not in go the same as those already reported and discounts whatever third party votes were cast as FOX didn't provide them. R&R DID do better than McCain-Palin and Obama did do worse this time, just not enough so. In 2004 Bush beat Kerry 62M to 59M so Romney got out even more votes than that.

There is plenty of blame to be cast, but let us cast it accurately.

168 posted on 11/07/2012 9:12:04 AM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: Impy; GOPsterinMA; Clintonfatigued; sickoflibs; fieldmarshaldj; justiceseeker93; Perdogg; ...
>> BRET Schundler, that was a conservative man who was elected mayor of a mostly Black and Hispanic city by a landslide 2 or 3 times. Sounds like Presidential timber right? Who better to run against Obama in 2008? <<

That's like the candidate we ran against Bobby Rush this election cycle, Don Peloquin. He's a conservative man who has been elected mayor of Blue Island, IL (which is roughly 1/3rd white, 1/3rd black, 1/3rd hispanic) for the last 20 years. Of course, he didn't run with an "R" next to his name in the mayoral races, instead he ran on whatever the local party was (in suburban Cook, all the towns have local parties like "Unity Party", "Taxpayers Party", etc.)

I haven't seen the numbers yet, but I know we got slaughtered in suburban Crook again, and it's possible that Bobby Rush (puke!) could have carried my township, something he wasn't able to do in 2010, 2006, 2004, 2002, or 2000. I just know in my own pct., blacks are around 20-30% of the residents, but they made up around 50% of the voters who showed up at the polls. I think turnout was down on both sides (lots of white liberals "stayed home" too), but blacks still eagerly voted for Obama.

>> See Jersey City which is heavilly democrat elected him several times but he was too conservative for Jersey Republicans! <<

Same situation when my then-state Senator (Patrick J. O'Malley) ran for Governor in 2002 and lost the GOP primary. He represented a Crook County senate district that was surrounded by Chicago on three sides (it even contained a couple of blocks of the 19th ward of Chicago BEFORE the 2002 redistricting), it was mostly blue-collar, and had a large number of black and hispanic minorities. But he was "too conservative" for statewide voters. Right. And yet somehow an wealthy elitist WASP north shore politician (Mark Kirk) is a better fit for suburban voters, even though 90% of the suburbs are NOTHING like his constituents. And of course, running as a conservative "social issues" is given as excuse why we lose, nevermind the fact even the Dem candidates in my area run as social conservatives (the RAT who won my state senate contest this year, Bill Cunningham, CLAIMS to be a pro-life Catholic).

169 posted on 11/07/2012 9:15:11 AM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: wastoute
And with the Ministry of Prop...Truth to decide what we “need to know”

The official title is "Information Czar".

I'm not kidding.

170 posted on 11/07/2012 9:18:45 AM PST by null and void (Day 1387 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: Impy; Jonty30
>> If it’s his religion that pisses me off. That’s would be retarded. Please let it be his boring establishment liberalism or something.
Hurricanes and he’s a Mormon. Really? Can this really be the reason? New Jersey and New York, Obama did better than in 2008 in terms of percentage.
Anyone who voted for Obama cause there was a hurricane and Christie kissed his foot is too dumb to live.
Anyone who stayed home rather than vote for a Mormon when they would vote for a “Christian” RINO like McCain is as well.
<<

I don't think his religion had anything to do with it. There are some idiots on FR who will "only elect Christians" (wonder if they were upset when Norm Coleman beat Walter Mondale, or Eric Cantor beat his commie RAT opponent this year), but nationally I think they were only an extreme fringe. One of the reasons why is that Romney won huge in the bible belt, even in states that were re-electing their local RAT officials, like in West Virgina. If "evangelicals had stayed home", Romney would have still won the deep south, but not by 20 point margins.

>> However, there was a group that probably did stay home and they were the Paulites. I know a bunch of them and many of them proudly pronouced that they didn’t cast their votes, so I suspect that a larger proportion of them, relative to their size, did stay home. <<

Ditto. They were gloating about it on facebook last night ("Hey GOP, THIS is what happens when you insult the great DR PAUL") and posting the photo of the old coot on every thread when he had nothing to do with the election and wasn't even running or making statements about it. I know one Paulbot who kept interrupting a post I made about my U.S. Senate race endorsements with the words "GO RON PAUL". When I asked her what the heck "Ron Paul" had to do with the Senate races, she just kept screaming his name over and over again. I really don't harbor any ill will towards Paul (Who stayed quiet during the general election election), but his obnoxious supporters get on my nerves so much I want to punch them. I can't stand political cults. You'd think they'd shut up after the primary is over and their god is no longer running, but they won't give up trying to convert everyone else to their dogma. Even mainstream conservatives like the Andrejewski worshipers in Illinois are stuck in that mentality and can't shut up about how everything revolves around Adam and what a heroic LEADER he is.

>> No, I don’t think Republicans stayed home as about 55% of eligible voters did cast their votes. Most elections rarely exceed 40% of the eligible voters casting their votes. Lack of anyone actually liking Romney was a problem. Hey I didn’t want him to be nominated. Too bad no one worth a damn ran. If you don’t think Newt or Perry would have been killed even worse tonight I don’t know what to say. And those liars are barley more conservative than Romney. <<

From what I saw, there was no enthusiasm from any camp except black Obama supporters (who not only showed up in big numbers but kept disrupting both polling places I worked at by wearing tons of Obama campaign materials into the polling place and loudly telling everyone to vote for him). The usual union thugs and suburban RAT poll watchers didn't even show up this time to hand people campaign literature near the polling place and place their signs too close to the doors like in 2010 and 2008. We had freezing rain in Chicago and turnout trickled to crawl by the late afternoon. It was the quietest Presidential election I've seen in 12 years (and I didn't watch polling places closely in '96 so I can't compare it to that one). Felt more like a midterm primary election than a november Presidential election. I think most conservatives who normally vote in elections voted for Romney, but the fact nobody liked Romney was a problem. Even the GOP establishment types who backed him the primary didn't particularly like him, they just promoted him because they said he was the only one who could "win"

Sad crop of Presidential candidates this year. If we had run Newt or Perry, I think Obama might have even done better than 2008, especially in RAT states like New York and California, and we'd have even bigger loses for House and Senate. Puke. A sad day for America.

171 posted on 11/07/2012 9:41:16 AM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
RE ” I think it’s open borders. “#1
......
2) Left wing press. The truth never got out.
3) Romney never fought as a street fighter. Obama did.”

I didn't see Romney/Ryan fighting at all. They ran a safe “Don't worry about the polls because we are winning automatically “ campaign while Rush assured his listeners that the polls were not real.

I knew the Koolaid was pouring when I read too many freepers agreeing with Romney to go mum on Benghazi claiming the MSM was going to break the story before the election(I was attacked for pointing out the problem with doing this) . Then the hurricane moved in and that was the end.

Yesterday there were an endless number of ‘we are winning big’ vanities here. Where did they get us? Where does believing you are winning when you are losing get anyone?

172 posted on 11/07/2012 10:03:28 AM PST by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy

” I didn’t see Romney/Ryan fighting at all. They ran a safe “Don’t worry about the polls because we are winning automatically “ campaign “

Like you said, Romney had to MAKE a case for replacing the incumbent, and he didn’t attack when Obama took the gloves off. Hard to win this way. I believe there was a goodly amount of voter fraud, and illegal immigrant voting, but that only makes a more compelling argument for FIGHTING. No fight at all, just a rich, refined “stay above the fray” guy, fighting a Marxist thug. Not enough, as we saw last night.


173 posted on 11/07/2012 10:21:20 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale
RE :”The solution, according to the “experts” on Fox News? The GOP should pander to Hispanics, i. e., amnesty. That worked out really well for McCain.”

FNC been saying that for a while but the GOP/Romney/Ryan strategy was no strategy. Romney won the primary being the toughest on immigration and after that dropped it completely and had no strategy to keep Hispanic voters from coming out to vote against him.

O targeted women, hispanics, blacks, gays, ..... every Demo group separately to get out the vote. Both Gays AND illegals won big in Maryland on the ballot and O took stands on both largely unopposed. But yesterday I kept reading here that Maryland Republicans are turning out to vote in historic numbers.

R/R/R strategy was to say ‘Relax. We are winning. Don't worry Play it safe ’ You see that post yesterday saying that Romney didn't have a speech prepared for a loss? You really think they didn't know this was coming? Even Rove sounded worried on Monday as I pointed out here.

Rush is saying we are outnumbered today. Didn't he spend months saying to not believe the polls showing R/R behind?

No plan is not a plan.

174 posted on 11/07/2012 10:25:45 AM PST by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: A CA Guy

Because many “on our side” are just as delusional and ridiculous as the obamabots.

unless a 10/10 candidate emerges they melt down and stay home.

This is why we have obama and quite frankly deserve him.


175 posted on 11/07/2012 10:31:48 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: NFHale

I agree.


176 posted on 11/07/2012 10:38:33 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: Moonman62
I do. Reagan showed the GOP how to win landslides 30 years ago. Instead of adopting his policies, they've been chasing Reagainites out of power ever since.

Reagan was a generation ago. Today's fresh retirees were in their prime working years. New voters remember the hay-day of the Clinton "boom" which was the just tech bubble. Republicans have harmed themselves by doing the right thing: impeaching Clinton, fighting amnesty...

177 posted on 11/07/2012 10:46:02 AM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate voter Freepers for making him president til 2017!)
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To: sickoflibs
They ran a safe “Don't worry about the polls because we are winning automatically “ campaign while Rush assured his listeners that the polls were not real.

Uh... Romney was WINNING in the polls. Is your memory that short?

178 posted on 11/07/2012 10:47:56 AM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate voter Freepers for making him president til 2017!)
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To: sickoflibs

I’m as guilty or more guilty of this than anyone here. And in some ways I actually agree with you.

In my 61 years of life, I have never won or been a part of a team who won anything going in with the attitude I/we couldn’t win.

If we knew nothing else but Obama’s actions as president, that was enough to think we couldn’t lose.

Now if that is a vice, I’m going to be guilty 10 times out of 10.


179 posted on 11/07/2012 10:49:25 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: DoughtyOne; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale

” In my 61 years of life”

Why, y’ole fart, I’m only 58 : )

” I have never won or been a part of a team who won anything going in with the attitude I/we couldn’t win.”

I agree. I really thought that Romney would SQUEAK by. He didn’t.


180 posted on 11/07/2012 11:00:33 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: newzjunkey
RE:”They ran a safe “Don't worry about the polls because we are winning automatically “ campaign while Rush assured his listeners that the polls were not real.
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Uh... Romney was WINNING in the polls. Is your memory that short? “

You dont remember Rush warning that all the polls showing R/R behind were manufactured to demoralize R voters? It was posted all over here. You dont remember him saying to ignore the polls? Well they listened.

181 posted on 11/07/2012 11:06:58 AM PST by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy

There are times when I think we try to examine our side’s weaknesses to the exclusion of the other sides strong points.

Could anyone have won against all the things the Democrats were willing to do to win this election?

We have watched the Democrats replace the education system with what amounts to indoctrination centers.

We have watched them cater to women’s darker side.

We have watched them cater to the underbelly of humanity.

We have watched them promise every goodie possible to the taker class.

We have watched them capitalize on the idea we shouldn’t be projecting our ideals around the planet. Some even here have bought into that. And soon, we’ll see what that reaps us.

How do you combat that? I would submit that no matter who we lofted this time, we would have had a difficult time of besting the promises of Socialism.

Our task, should we decide to accept it, is to destroy the ability of the Left to pander to these classes successfully.

How? I honestly don’t know. It has to happen.


182 posted on 11/07/2012 11:22:10 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yes, sadly, he didn’t. Our nation is going to pay dearly for this.


183 posted on 11/07/2012 11:23:48 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yes, sadly, he didn’t. Our nation is going to pay dearly for this. I will go even farther.

The global balance of power has just changed.

The steps have been put in motion that will result in the United States not being the driving force that keeps the world a more or less safe stable place.

Those who wanted the United States to quit meddling will get to see what they wished for, play out.


184 posted on 11/07/2012 11:26:27 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: DoughtyOne; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”If we knew nothing else but Obama’s actions as president, that was enough to think we couldn’t lose”

Romney was never ahead electorally in polls and in most he was consistently behind in swing states. He played it safe though, 'Its in the bag'.
My personal painful wake-up call was 2006 and I decided then that such wishful thinking I joined in on was not in my best interest even if it felt good for a while.

Now we got automatic tax increases and spending cuts (+debt ceiling) coming up. The GOP minority lame duck (now in charge of house) in 2010 did O a great favor by delaying those tax increases (+debt ceiling) until AFTER his election. They handed O that issue on a silver platter,

Has Mitch McConnell resigned from the Senate yet? He said it was his #1 job to make sure this didn't happen and so he failed his #1 job. What kind of reptile is he?

185 posted on 11/07/2012 11:31:55 AM PST by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: newzjunkey
Reagan was a generation ago. Today's fresh retirees were in their prime working years. New voters remember the hay-day of the Clinton "boom" which was the just tech bubble. Republicans have harmed themselves by doing the right thing: impeaching Clinton, fighting amnesty...

Many other people seem to agree with you. No wonder we lost.

186 posted on 11/07/2012 11:34:55 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: DoughtyOne

” The steps have been put in motion that will result in the United States not being the driving force that keeps the world a more or less safe stable place.”

We rarely talk about this, but this is a very serious issue.


187 posted on 11/07/2012 11:38:53 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy

” Has Mitch McConnell resigned from the Senate yet? He said it was his #1 job to make sure this didn’t happen and so he failed his #1 job. What kind of reptile is he? “

What kind?

Deadly.


188 posted on 11/07/2012 11:41:11 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
RE :”How do you combat that? I would submit that no matter who we lofted this time, we would have had a difficult time of besting the promises of Socialism.”

Jumping from ‘we cant lose’ to ‘we cant win’ in a day or so is a huge cosmic leap. I would start there.

Yesterday morning I recalled that Dem "I'm sorry world' website they set up exactly 8 years ago after GWB won re-election.

But Dems waited not long and soon they had Harriot Myers, Katrina, deteriorating Iraq, rising prices, a housing bubble crash......when will the GOP learn how to effectively use bad events against Dems when they hold the WH?

189 posted on 11/07/2012 11:43:25 AM PST by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs

I agree that sequestration is going to be devastating. I also agree that anyone who signed on to that was our enemy. I thought so at the time.


190 posted on 11/07/2012 11:55:02 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yes... it is.


191 posted on 11/07/2012 11:55:59 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Did you read on the forum yesterday where China is shopping for a place they can develop into a Chinese military base in South America?

They are seeking to set up choke points around the planet.

Now, lets just withdraw and let them run things, shall we.


192 posted on 11/07/2012 11:58:50 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
Jumping from ‘we cant lose’ to ‘we cant win’ in a day or so is a huge cosmic leap. I would start there.

I don't need to list them, but there were plenty of reports being published that gave cause for us to think we were going to win.

As I have said before, I was as wrong or more than anyone here. It wasn't without some basis for my belief.

Having been proven wrong, I have to react somehow, and it seems to me having been this wrong, has to result from something. I have touched on what I believe that was.

Cosmic? LOL

193 posted on 11/07/2012 12:08:23 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: DoughtyOne

” Did you read on the forum yesterday where China is shopping for a place they can develop into a Chinese military base in South America?

They are seeking to set up choke points around the planet.”

Yes, and moving rapidly to boot!


194 posted on 11/07/2012 12:08:42 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: sickoflibs

” .when will the GOP learn how to effectively use bad events against Dems when they hold the WH? “

Apparently, never.


195 posted on 11/07/2012 12:12:03 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Political Junkie Too
Rush is saying we are outnumbered today. Didn't he spend months saying to not believe the polls showing R/R behind?

I didn't hear the show, but I suppose a simple "Sorry, I admit I was wrong about voter turnout" would be out of character for Rush.

It's possible that some pollsters changed their polling methods late in the game to favor Romney too much, after hearing that Romney was doing better than their polls so long. The RCP poll final average (LINK) showed O up by 0.7 but in the actual vote count he was up 2.2. In 2008 the RCP average had Obama +7.6 and the actual vote was +7.2.


196 posted on 11/07/2012 12:22:27 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: null and void

Oh but it’s the independents that matter. /s


197 posted on 11/07/2012 12:23:08 PM PST by DrewsMum
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RE :”I agree that sequestration is going to be devastating. I also agree that anyone who signed on to that was our enemy. I thought so at the time.”

I don't know if it will or not. Too Much GOP hype as usual. You see how much they are spending? It certainly got O through the election with little pain.

Republicans in this congress made the mistake of thinking they got a mandate when they had no real power and Obama knew to focus all negative attention on the ‘Republican congress’. Clinton did it in 1995 effectively too to win re-election.

Now would be a good time for the Republicans to make O own everything bad. If taxes go up and those cuts go into effect at the same time the economy will slow some. They need to start calling it the Obama congress. Go back to 2009 and 2010 when all focus was on Dems.

I always thought Ryan was a real crappy choice to team with Mitt, Another DC insider white guy to go with the rich white guy. What type of thinking was that?

Allen West would have made a great VP attack dog and he is a vet. He could have taken the fight to Obama and America would know that the GOP is NOT just a club of rich white guys.

198 posted on 11/07/2012 12:25:17 PM PST by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: Arthurio; All
People stayed home.

It looks like all the Freepers who said they'd never vote for Mitt were not making idle threats

Y'all were told. You have to have someone folks can vote *for*.

Who was going to vote for Romney?

What does he offer the Christian Right? He has been Pro-Choice and Pro-Homo his whole life... And he is a Mormon to boot.

What does he offer the Fiscal conservatives? He is a businessman... that's good. But he also believes in Keynes, and big government... WAY not good.

What does he offer the Military conservatives? Nothing. No experience. No military background in his self or his family. No Foreign Policy experience.

What does he offer the libertarians and civil-libertarians? Nothing. He's a big govt. guy and always has been... He is a gun-grabber from way-back, and hasn't got a clue what federalism is or what a constructionist Constitutional interpretation is.

He got the 'I'm scared of Obama' vote, the 'Mormon "He's our guy, and may be the savior mentioned in the White Horse prophecy," vote', and the Republican party faithful vote - which turned out to be pretty much the same damn thing.

But 'Conservative' is NOT the same as 'Republican', and without the Conservative base, there is no way to win.

All y'all have to get outside of the Republican echo-chamber and mutual masturbation society. If you are a Conservative, that means you have to stand on Conservative principles. Stop falling for this 'boogey-man' bullcrap, and support Conservatives. Even if they are outside of the Republican fold.

Time and time again, it is proven that rah-rah Republicanism is utter failure - Even if you get them elected, unless they happen to actually BE conservative and ACT upon Conservative principles, at best there is only a Pyrrhic victory. And most often, there is complete loss...

Folks like me are shouted down and ridiculed as being 'purists'... Well, 'Here's yer sign', AGAIN, even yet:

What we know, that y'all can't seem to grasp is that the principles that we stand upon are timeless and immovable. But those principles are not held by ALL of us. Some are owned by the Christian Right.... Some by the Fiscal Conservatives... Some by the Military Conservatives... and etc. The minute that ANY ONE group is sent to the back of the bus, when any one of those deeply held convictions is compromised, we no longer have the votes to win. The great Conservative Juggernaut splits into it's original factions and sinks back into the vast sea of voters.

So the purity that so many here hate is the very thing that allows success. The very act of compromising on principle removes the chance of success.

Pragmatism is the death of us all. You can blame any other thing you want, but the truth is that liberalism is succeeding, not by the weight of it's own merit, but because there is no opposition to it - And the reason there is no opposition to it is because well meaning folks keep voting in more moderates (pragmatists) and liberals into the Republican party - that which used to be the supposed opposition.

Sorry, this isn't aimed at you specifically - Your statement is just so obvious to me that I had to sound off.

199 posted on 11/07/2012 12:25:17 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Impy

I agree it would be sick if anti-Morman Christians let McCain get more votes than Romney. But it’s just as sick to assume that Obama is less liberal than Romney.


200 posted on 11/07/2012 12:33:10 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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