Skip to comments.Romney Loss - Evangelicals "Again" Stayed Home
Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
Many of us could not imagine that Romney could lose this election, especially after four years of Obamas radical Marxism and its social and fiscal consequences that America will NEVER recover from. All the hype and all the Romney rallies; it indeed looked like a sure victory for Romney except for one equation, the Evangelical vote. We here at the IFB have talked back and forth among ourselves since the RNC convention and with others also in the know; that if the Evangelical vote did not show up on Nov. 6th the jig would be up and Romney would lose big and indeed he has.
Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way.
Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way. The Evangelical vote consists of the TRUE social and moral conservatives of the party (i.e., the Right). Romney and the GOP also gave very little time to the Tea Party who is the heart of the grass root movement and the engine of the Party! The viewer ratings for the 2012 RNC convention were way down, some 40% and many of us- including myself - did not watch one lick of it. Why should we have? We knew what we were getting and many of us felt dissd being left out as we were. That in its self should have set off warning bells to the RNC but in all honesty many of us who are Evangelicals were still going to vote for Romney holding our nose. It is our duty as Believers and an Americans to be salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and even though Romney was who he was; he was the better choice still and the lesser of the two evils for our nation. We were not going to trust in a Romney win but that a Romney win would slow down the final deterioration of our nation.
Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth and many have NOT forgotten it. Evangelicals felt betrayed and many did not vote for McCain in 2008 which gave Marxist Obama the victory. When you add the convention snub of Romney and the GOP that was the straw that broke the elephants back.
Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth.
Now we come to today, the day after the election and we once more again see that the Evangelical vote has stayed home; and in doing so have given Obama another four years to finish the job of transforming our nation and fundamentally changing our culture and way of life which includes the elimination of sound biblical Christianity. I know I am going to get a ton of hate mail for this statement, but SHAME ON YOU for sitting home and not choosing to be light and exercising your God given right to vote (Matt. 5:13-16)! I know all sides of this argument and there is still absolutely NO excuse (Matt. 5:13-16). Your self righteous pride, biblical ignorance and foolishness has open wide the door now for Christian persecution in our nation and the end of the freedoms we have for the furtherance of the Gospel. My friends, indeed the Day of the Lord is at hand, but WOE to any who seek to bring it about who call on the Name of Jesus Christ by being idol and slothful.This is NOT a sanctification matter and God will hold you accountable for hiding your light and voice.
In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us.
In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us. I think of Samuel when all of Israel wanted a king and not the Lord (1 Sam. 8). It broke his heart and rightly so! He knew what was coming. Thus America in this election has said quite loudly that we DO NOT want the God given freedom to exercise what our Founding Fathers envisioned, which was based on the Laws of Nature and of Natures God. In doing so we have REJECTED the Judeo/ Christian values and ideals which once made this country great. We have now as a nation fully taken on the mantle of Lawlessness and the spirit of Anti Christ as our nations ideology and culture.
Indeed, we as Evangelicals will now see what we must surely endure under lawless administration of Barack H. Obama and many Evangelicasl will be sifted and found wanting. That there... you can take to the bank!
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
“But it would be a mistake to place the blame squarely on evangelicals. It was a combination of factors:”
One issue that will always have an effect on the vote of women will be abortion. R v W is imho one of the best tactical decisions the left has made. Many of our people can’t figure out how to use this to win they just want to control others lives which tells me that they are no different than the left. If handled in the proper way this could become a winner for conservatives. Teach, live and don’t demagogue use the voice of reason and remember it’s for the children as the left says but in this case it’s true. I think one way that we could help young women is to find a way to force young men to shoulder their responsibility. The left doesn’t want this as it leaves them vulnerable and in need of the governments help.
I’m surprised it was that low in 2010. And I didn’t expect you, or any of our group, to stay home.
Sheesh! No kidding.
I'd have addressed this to the horde who seem to think you singlehandedly elected Duh-1 for another term by not voting for their candidate in a state which went to Romney anyway--as if the popular vote and not the electoral vote decided the election--but there are just too many people spewing (emoting) at you without giving the matter thought.
Kudos for voting your conscience.
I see the circular firing squad is going off half-cocked again.
I’m sure that if we promise to make abortion and weed illegal next time we’ll win. Oh, and we need to promise that those baby killing pot heads are going to get to wake up early and go to work at their new job once a Republican wins. /sarc
Your post is 100% on target.
Imagine you are God. You have trained your people to embrace no other gods...
Don't elevate them...Don't sanction them...Don't endorse them...
Then a guy comes along, one of the 15-20% of all people of a given sect who has a "temple recommend" -- allowing them to believe they are a "god in embryo."
You know. A competitor to god. Somebody who would steal the Lord's glory. Rob His praise. Be a thief of His worship and prayers, by siphoning them off.
Despite this being an obvious rival to THE God...MILLIONS of God's people embrace this rival god...they endorse him...they seem to want to deliberately ignore his god-in-embryo claim...
And what? Do you somehow think that God was not mocked by His very people who treat idolatry lightly???
Do you think God would any less likely to remove judgment from America when now His own people continue to go off hurtling into political space embracing the pragmatic utilitarian political ethic of idolatry-laced relativism?
I think we all agree with Mormon values.
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which values are those? The ones that teach that it is ok to lie to non-Mormons if it furthers their goals or the goals of the Mormon church?
The ones that teach ‘families are forver’ until someone leaves and they are shunned, disowned, lied about, defamed, divorced from at the behest of their leaders?
The ones that teach abortion is ok if you pray about it first (that is in their church handbook from the leadership)?
The ones that teach the only reason to have a lot of kids is to help you become a god yourself?
The ones that teach that the church should only help members who are ‘worthy’ and pay their tithing even if they can’t afford to feed their families and that their families should starve so they can pay their dues to their BILLION dollar church?
The ones that brag about helping people in Haiti when they partnered with Muslims instead of Christians and only helped a handful of ‘faithful’ members and wouldn’t even let them inside the building while other churches opened their doors and helped everyone?
I pinged some others who have had personal experiences with these ‘values’.
Doesn't mean that Christians did not vote.
Surveys have consistently shown 19% of voters will not vote for a Mormon for POTUS.
In this campaign, the GOPe chose a liberal that alienated the base, ran a no-risk Dewey campaign, a cultist, a Wall Street “robber baron”, an outsourcer, and someone the average guy can’t relate to.
Now they try to blame those they alienated in the base???
Did they think that they could win by taking the base for granted???
Yes, they did. Blame the GOP e for their pride and arrogance.
God is a jealous God and will not be mocked !
All of this anger today should be focused on the Mitt-bot mormon mafia !! WE told them from day one we wouldn't vote for thier cult leader and they didn't listen. They caused and OWN this !
The surprise of this loss only comes from those RINOs and so-called Christians who refuse to listen to the warnings about the mormon cult.
He is my God and I stood with him last night.
If we as a nation repent he can and will save us, even from Obama.
If we do not, the end is in sight, and the method of fall obvious...
You may not have believed Romney could not lose to obama, those of us with grey matter knew he couldn’t win.
If you run bad candidates you lose, it’s that simple.
And exactly how do we know it was specifically "evangelicals" who stayed home, as opposed to any other group? The ballot I cast yesterday was anonymous.
Bottom line a liberal running against a liberal - only a liberal wins.
Thank you for your support. I admit I was shocked at the vitrol spewed at me from other people who claim to be Conservatives and some even Christian.
My only guess is they (like all of us) are shocked and puzzled at how we could lose to Obama AGAIN and I’m an easy target. We all need to pray right now, for this country and for each other.
God bless you brother.
muslims do not claim to be Christians.
Ya figure Jesus is happier now that we have Obama destroying the Country instead of Romney???
The reason I had to vote for Romney is Israel...By rejecting Romney, we have rejected Israel...
And just like four years ago, capitulating conservatives nominated a liberal to run as an R.
I would rather deal with four years olds than cowardly conservatives, at least four year olds will learn something eventually.
Now they try to blame those they alienated in the base???
Did they think that they could win by taking the base for granted???
Yes, they did. Blame the GOP e for their pride and arrogance.
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Bingo, AMPU. As I said earlier (either on this thread or another), I’m tired of dating my rapist (which is how the GOP treats conservatives) and I think a lot of others are as well.
“I think we all agree with Mormon values.”
And you would be wrong.
Now that the evil-doer has been re-elected because Romney wasn’t good enough for people like you, I’m scheduling my first surgery to get ahead of the rationing lines in obamacare. It’s now or never to get my torn rotator cuff surgery.
Even though I live in PA & Romney had no real chance here, I voted for him & so did my daughters. I Despise obama...
I HAVE HAD ENOUGH WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAVE NOT LIVED IN THE CULT TELLING ME ABOUT MORMON VALUES !!
You do not know what you are talking about.
The sooner you people realize that ONLY WE, WHO HAVE LIVED IT, truly understand, that we were saved to be used to warn others by God, the sooner wou will understand the danger we were in !!
I am a descendant of Martin Harris, lived 35 years in the cult, was a "High Priest" and bishopric memeber, same as Romney, and VERY MUCH psychologically controlled and damaged. Saved only by the grace of God which I do not deserve.
WAKE UP !!
In the meantime since you're so enamoured with "mormon values" at least you have Harry Reid (a more open and honest mormon than Romney) to keep you entertained.
10-4. We voted for the best guy to be president. I was not electing a new pastor for my church. We voted for the person of the 2 running, that would do the best for the COUNTRY. Not for my soul. Jesus Christ has that locked up tight. And that is where I will put my faith every second of the day.
WHATEVER. Gotta go. I have a lunch date with Satan, the Boogeyman, Bal
and Mitt Romney.
You should have just said:My pastor got up the Sunday before the election day and did a sermon on how Mormanism is a cult. I am leaving this church as I think
electing a Muslim is a worse sin. supporting a cult member is more important to me that God Almighty I was appalled
And idolatry is exactly what it is. Well said, brother. I am saddened at the number of people who claim to follow Christ yet put their faith aside for politics.
My faith is more important to me than anything else, Christ said we would have to count the cost of following Him and often that cost is worldly gain.
I don’t think Evangelicals stayed home. Of course, I live in Missouri, and Romney won here. I was actually surprised how many of my Christian friends and family jumped on the Romney bandwagon so quickly. I was one of the only ones to express reservations about Romney. I ended up voting for Romney, with a clear conscience, because the alternative is so sickening and unacceptable. I wanted to give my kids a fighting chance or at least get another four years to prepare for what’s coming. I am tired of having to vote for the squishy moderate, because he’ll “appeal to independents”. We’ve tried it twice, and it hasn’t worked. Perhaps the electorate is too far gone, and the takers outnumber the makers. I still wish we had gone with someone like Sarah. I would rather go down fighting with a full conservative banner flying than go down with a wimpy, half-hearted whimper. I wasn’t as emotionally invested in Romney as I was in Sarah, so it doesn’t sting as much in that way. However, I deeply grieve for our country and worry about my children’s opportunities. I am having a hard time accepting this is the “new America”. The only conclusion I can reach is we need God more than ever before. We’re going to be having a “come to Jesus meeting” soon, whether literally or figuratively.
Excellent analogy brother.
I would take Romney’s Mormon values over Obama’s values any day.
Too bad other Christians did not feel the same way.
No one stayed home here. All 5 of us got out and voted as early as possible.
At the risk of sounding like a nutcase, I can’t help but think that this is God’s judgment on us. This country has rejected Him on so many levels and now He’s given it what it wants. (I do not say *us* because I don’t want to sound like it includes all those of us who are Christ followers and/or conservatives.)
And thank you for a stupid and ignorant comment.
I would rather have a conservative prolife atheist over Obama.
The electorate demonstrated yesterday that it is comprised of more takers than makers. Those takers, who now outnumber us, are not open to a conservative, political philosophy. In fact, they don't even think in terms of political philosophy. They simply vote in terms of "free stuff."
What an ignorant sot of a post.
Who the hell are you to judge a persons heart?
The Republican party nominated a liberal candidate and they lost - again.
It was capitulating conservatives again who picked the worst candidate.......not conservatives with brains.
The GOP-E would be correct it seems. Many of us stayed home or voted third party in the most important election in our lifetime.
A agree that that is a problem in the Body of Christ. I am very cautious about that and about believing something just because a ‘pastor’ tells me, that is what got me INTO Mormonism (with their missionaries and high priests), and what got me OUT of Mormonism was checking things against the Word of God and researching.
I don’t trust anything a pastor tells me, I compare it to the Bible (and having a degree in Biblical studies and being fluent in Greek and Hebrew helps) and I am EXTREMELY cautious of false prophets because I used to follow them (the Mormon ones).
My main calling in ministry to the Mormons is actually to those who have left or are leaving because they have come to a personal saving faith in the Christ of the Bible. I disciple them and help them learn how to test what their pastor says, how to learn to read the Bible (that is a challenge for Mormons who are taught not to trust the Bible), and to discern the issues you mention. That is what God has called me to do and I believe in part why He ALLOWED me (permissive not expressive will) to take my journey into and out of Mormonism, another reason is Mormonism, with all its rules and control, was easy but not spiritually fulfilling (do all the things on this list - an there is an actual list - and you will become a god yourself) and Mormonism broke my spirit and my pride, something that I HAD to experience in order to finally accept Christ alone and His blood shed on the cross to save me.
Stopped reading after that ignorant comment.
One more thing, many here seem to think that this was MY decision, my ‘antimormonism’, or about me. I studied this and I took it to God. I spent MANY MANY hours in prayer on this decision about voting, and even told God that if it were His will I would vote for Mitt. And time and time and time again, it came back that it was NOT his will that I vote for either of them - either through prayer, or bible verses or counsel of other believers.
This was never about me, it was about doing what God called me to and my conscience is clear before God.
And don’t put words in my mouth. The question was regarding the Mormon values I agree with- and the poster specifically asked me to refrain from theology (So I don’t care to hear about the magic underpants, the planet Pluto, etc) We are talking about societal VALUES.
Here are Mormon values from their own website. And I agree with them all:
The happiest marriages and families are those grounded on the principles Christ taughtunselfishness, honesty and loyalty.
Service to Others
Jesus spent His life serving others. Following His example brings the most lasting kind of happiness.
We search for every opportunity we can to proclaim Gods word throughout the world and bless the lives of His children.
Education empowers us to be better people and helps us more effectively contribute to society.
Freedom to Choose
As spiritual children of God were free to choose how our future unfolds. Every step toward Him gives us even greater freedom.
Caring for the homeless, the hungry and the destitute is one of our missions. We work together to offer immediate relief and hope for a better life.
Being a good citizen makes our world a safer and more peaceful place. Our small efforts can have a large impact.
Coming to know our ancestors helps us better understand who we are, builds bridges between the generations, and binds families together.
abortion, homosexuality, polygamy, illegals....just to name a few
mormonISM is the value of mormons, the two can not be separated.
The loss of saltiness is by Christians who would vote for a pro-abortion pro-gay pro-socialism, regardless of party affiliation, and now you blame the salt.
Take to your faith and leave it to the rest of us to deal with the mess.
I believe, but not as you believe. I long ago swore to defend your rights to believe as you desire and I am still ready to defend those rights.
To not vote for someone who does not believe as you do but who will replace a Nazi/socialist dictator and who believes and practices almost all of the same basic Christian values is the most idiotic line of reasoning. You were willing to let the kenyan finish his work of destroying the Republic and the Constitution because of your religious beliefs. That is incredible stupidity. A cult leader? Since the Catholic faith was the church founded by Christ through Peter then your denomination and every other non-Catholic denomination IS A CULT by your logic or illogic.
That stupidity places the perpetrator of the stupidity lower than the GOP elite, democrat voters and the democrat party.
God left the worldly work of voting for a replacement to the national nightmare to all of us and you failed the Constitution that protects your values and faith, the Republic, the nation as a whole.
That, in my belief is a sin against your nation and against God.
By the way, you just voted for a world where child molesters will be free to ply their avocation.
Here I stand, and I've been clear about since day one.
Look at these numbers again. I'm not alone.
OBama 69,297,997 McCain: 59,597,520
Obama: 54,773,837 Romney 53,716,689
I hope this event is seared into your mind as a turning point in your life. I understand fear of Marxism like I understand fear of flogging.
God can and will forgive Christians who capitulated out of fear like Peter.
As we repent and turn to Him, all thing will be added unto us, not the least of which is a either a proper candidate for 2016.
No there are not.
These charges come from people who will not except that Romney was a liberal and many people did not vote for him for that reason.
I couldn’t have said it any better.
That's odd. The Lord made it manifestly clear to me that I was to vote against that Nebakanezer in the White House.
That was your mistake. Christians love the larcenous, jealous, envious, covetous welfare state. They look to and encourage others to look to the government to meet all their needs and solve their problems rather than trusting the Lord God Almighty.
Bragging about your unwillingness to read on is amazing. It is Christian compliance, support apathy that has gotten us into this mess. Obviously I don’t speak of all Christians.
The problem is that all too many(most?) Christians weigh the good and the bad of the Democrats. And then either decide that the good out weighs the bad and vote Dem. Or decide it’s a draw and sit it out.
My point is that the Dems are bad plus bad. Not just bad on abortion and marriage. But also bad on he evil destructive welfare state.
You might want to expose yourself to challenging ideas in the future.
You actually do not know anything about mormonISM do you?
Well, maybe that nice guy in the lunch room.