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Romney Loss - Evangelicals "Again" Stayed Home
IFB ^ | 11/7/12

Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

Many of us could not imagine that Romney could lose this election, especially after four years of Obama’s radical Marxism and its social and fiscal consequences that America will NEVER recover from. All the hype and all the Romney rallies; it indeed looked like a sure victory for Romney except for one equation, the Evangelical vote. We here at the IFB have talked back and forth among ourselves since the RNC convention and with others also in the know; that if the Evangelical vote did not show up on Nov. 6th the jig would be up and Romney would lose big… and indeed he has.

Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way.

Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way. The Evangelical vote consists of the TRUE social and moral conservatives of the party (i.e., the Right). Romney and the GOP also gave very little time to the Tea Party who is the heart of the grass root movement and the engine of the Party! The viewer ratings for the 2012 RNC convention were way down, some 40% and many of us- including myself - did not watch one lick of it. Why should we have? We knew what we were getting and many of us felt “diss’d” being left out as we were. That in its self should have set off warning bells to the RNC but in all honesty many of us who are Evangelicals were still going to vote for Romney holding our nose. It is our duty as Believers and an Americans to be salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and even though Romney was who he was; he was the better choice still and the lesser of the two evils for our nation. We were not going to trust in a Romney win but that a Romney win would slow down the final deterioration of our nation.

Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth and many have NOT forgotten it. Evangelicals felt betrayed and many did not vote for McCain in 2008 which gave Marxist Obama the victory. When you add the convention snub of Romney and the GOP that was the straw that broke the elephants back.

Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth.

Now we come to today, the day after the election and we once more again see that the Evangelical vote has stayed home; and in doing so have given Obama another four years to finish the job of transforming our nation and fundamentally changing our culture and way of life which includes the elimination of sound biblical Christianity. I know I am going to get a ton of hate mail for this statement, but SHAME ON YOU for sitting home and not choosing to be light and exercising your God given right to vote (Matt. 5:13-16)! I know all sides of this argument and there is still absolutely NO excuse (Matt. 5:13-16). Your self righteous pride, biblical ignorance and foolishness has open wide the door now for Christian persecution in our nation and the end of the freedoms we have for the furtherance of the Gospel. My friends, indeed the Day of the Lord is at hand, but WOE to any who seek to bring it about who call on the Name of Jesus Christ by being idol and slothful.This is NOT a sanctification matter and God will hold you accountable for hiding your light and voice.

In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us.

In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us. I think of Samuel when all of Israel wanted a king and not the Lord (1 Sam. 8). It broke his heart and rightly so! He knew what was coming. Thus America in this election has said quite loudly that we DO NOT want the God given freedom to exercise what our Founding Fathers envisioned, which was based on the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God. In doing so we have REJECTED the Judeo/ Christian values and ideals which once made this country great. We have now as a nation fully taken on the mantle of Lawlessness and the spirit of Anti Christ as our nation’s ideology and culture.

Indeed, we as Evangelicals will now see what we must surely endure under lawless administration of Barack H. Obama and many Evangelicasl will be sifted and found wanting. That there... you can take to the bank!

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!


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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

At the other end of the political spectrum, nearly eight-in-ten white evangelical Protestants voted for Romney (79%), compared with 20% who backed Obama. Romney received as much support from evangelical voters as George W. Bush did in 2004 (79%) and more support from evangelicals than McCain did in 2008 (73%). Mormon voters were also firmly in Romney’s corner; nearly eight-in-ten Mormons (78%) voted for Romney, while 21% voted for Obama. Romney received about the same amount of support from Mormons that Bush received in 2004. (Exit poll data on Mormons was unavailable for 2000 and 2008.)

Compared with religiously unaffiliated and Jewish voters on the left and white evangelicals and Mormons on the right, Catholics and white mainline Protestants were more evenly divided. Among white mainline Protestants in the exit poll, 54% voted for Romney, while 44% supported Obama. This is virtually identical to the 2008 election, when 55% of white mainline Protestants voted for McCain and 44% backed Obama.

White Catholics, by contrast, swung strongly in the Republican direction relative to 2008. Nearly six-in-ten white Catholics (59%) voted for Romney, up from 52% who voted for McCain in 2008. Three-quarters of Hispanic Catholics voted for Obama, and Catholics as a whole were evenly divided in 2012 (50% voted for Obama, while 48% backed Romney) - http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/How-the-Faithful-Voted-2012-Preliminary-Exit-Poll-Analysis.aspx


451 posted on 11/07/2012 8:22:41 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Kevmo

Listen you stupid little shite.
Romney lost repeat lost because he is a LIBERAL and its people like you who butt kissed him to the nomination.....place the blame where it belongs - on so called self proclaimed conservatives who have no spine and caved at the first light.
We the people who knew Romney and what he is said he can not win........yet you cried and screamed him to the nomination “he is the only guy who can win”....well you know what we were right and you stupid fracking self proclaimed conservatives were WRONG!


452 posted on 11/07/2012 8:23:48 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Kevmo

Trying ti reason with shite is like trying to reason with jello - no point.


453 posted on 11/07/2012 8:26:22 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Fledermaus

He already has - I run a ministry (to those who have left Mormonism) and am self-empolyed as is everyone in my family.

And Romney wasn’t the messiah and wouldn’t have done much either and frankly, I wasn’t in a swing state so my vote didn’t affect the election at all.


454 posted on 11/07/2012 8:27:01 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: KeyLargo
I believe there was huge anti-Morman voting throughout this election.

That was for sure the reasoning of some.

So, they made the choice to not vote for a Mormon (who, incidentally, have morals and integrity) and allow a socialist (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt regarding being a Muslim) win?

They deserve what they're getting as much as those who voted for 0bama!!!

455 posted on 11/07/2012 8:27:31 PM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Colofornian; Dr. Scarpetta

What? Do you think that same-sex “marriage” doesn’t already exist in given states in this country & certain countries around the world? AND IN MA THANKS TO ROMNEY

Or that Obamacare hasn’t already been imposed? BASED UPON ROMNEYCARE!

Or that taxpayer-funded abortions — including taxpayer-funded abortions via RomneyCare — hasn’t been a reality for quite some time? AGAIN, Back to ROMNEY.

As far as the claims of being morally superior, Dr. S has shown over and over again his attitude of ‘moral superiority’ because he compromised.

Those of us who stood our ground, did so because we are HUMBLED before the ALMIGHTY GOD and not bow to the fear of this world which is fleeting.


456 posted on 11/07/2012 8:29:53 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

You absolutely do NOT despise Obama. I live out in the PA countryside and would have WALKED the 3 miles to the church where I vote, if necessary.

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Well you can’t read my mind and you only had to go 3 miles?! I live rurally and had to go 32 MILES to vote. THIRTY TWO!!! And I did so.

I couldn’t live in PA, too many compromising RINOS like yourself.

I dispise them both equally because both Romney and Obama are two sides of the same coin. They are BOTH evil incarnate. I’m just smart enough not to have bought into the media lies that Romney could win.


457 posted on 11/07/2012 8:32:50 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: jda

Listen before you defend mormonISM LEARN about it.
Blame the people the so called self proclaimed conservatives that hosted this liberal on the GOPe and stop blaming people who are actually conservatives with standards and morals.
Good lord that nice guy in the lunch room is not and has never been the true face of mormonISM.


458 posted on 11/07/2012 8:35:32 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

Romney lost repeat lost because he is a LIBERAL and its people like you who butt kissed him to the nomination.....
***WTF are you talking about? I was against Romnutz all the way. I even stopped posting on FR when JimRob endorsed him.

place the blame where it belongs - on so called self proclaimed conservatives who have no spine and caved at the first light.
***You mean, like JimRob? Like all those CINOs who started telling me to get off FR because I wasn’t being ‘polite’ to JimRob when I pointed out that he said he would never vote for such a lying, baby-killing, gun-grabbing statist?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2917406/posts?page=2889

We the people who knew Romney and what he is said he can not win........yet you cried and screamed him to the nomination “he is the only guy who can win”
***Really, honestly, WTF are you talking about?

....well you know what we were right and you stupid fracking self proclaimed conservatives were WRONG!
***I never supported Romnutz. I voted for Tom Hoefling and a straight republican downticket, here in California where it never would have mattered. You seem to need a clue.


459 posted on 11/07/2012 8:37:22 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

Goode had no chance. You might as well have voted for Mickey Mouse. The ONLY two candidates with any kind of chance were Obama or Romney. You blew it, you punted, and because of people like you, Romney missed out on a viable vote which would have given him the edge.

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You seriously need to take a civics class. First, Mickey Mouse wasn’t on my state’s ballot (we don’t have write ins)but Virgil Goode was. Second, I don’t live in a swing state and popular vote doesn’t matter. Third, I didn’t blow it, you just hate that I didn’t compromise. Fourth, I am NOT a Republican any longer (I left because of Romney) so I voted for my party’s candidate. I am a CHRISTIAN First, a Conservative second and I don’t vote for liberals like Romney.

You are the ones that blew it, because you are the ones who nominated a guy who people have been saying for YEARS COULD NOT WIN.

I stood my ground. Apparently you have no such convictions.


460 posted on 11/07/2012 8:39:57 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: greyfoxx39

Good catch on the date. Probably a TBL troll or retread rather than a DUmmie IMO.


461 posted on 11/07/2012 8:41:23 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: All

We need to start a third party. We could call it Constitution Party. All evangelicals and fiscal conservatives belong to this party. The Republican Party will consist of republicans.


462 posted on 11/07/2012 8:42:36 PM PST by ncpatriot
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To: Colofornian; Wyrd bið ful aræd; metmom
59:% See post 451 here. While far from the 79% evang. vote, i think the increase was due to Obama's treatment of the RCC, as even liberal RCs, while disagreeing with the official (if not effectual) doctrine of their church, very much identify with it, in contrasts with evangelical which tend to bond based more upon a shared Scripture-based conversion and relationship.
463 posted on 11/07/2012 8:43:09 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Elsie

Thank you for being faithful to document what is often unknown or denied.


464 posted on 11/07/2012 8:44:03 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: reaganaut

TBL still lives..now that is something to laugh about


465 posted on 11/07/2012 8:44:20 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Psalm 144

I got it. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-election-results/


466 posted on 11/07/2012 8:44:41 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: greyfoxx39

Applause.


467 posted on 11/07/2012 8:45:14 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: daniel1212; Elsie

Fantastic FR political friends. Someday (not to soon) we need to meet at the pearly gates for a tea party.


468 posted on 11/07/2012 8:45:54 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

“You really know nothing about mormonISM do you.”

Yeah...I was a Baptist living in Utah for 7 years and never learned ANYTHING about it! All those 3-4 hours discussions/debates and I didn’t learn a thing.

“Joseph Smith was clear obey or the sword.”

I had a number of Mormon friends who were told to stop being friends with me due to our conversations, but the LDS church never put out a contract on me.

You are a nutjob.


469 posted on 11/07/2012 8:47:19 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit.)
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To: SENTINEL

Thank you for speaking up, and from experience, although no doubt you’ll be castigated for it.


470 posted on 11/07/2012 8:48:29 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: svcw

Yes it is. and I expect that Spammy et all are over there complaining about us.

Oh well, I don’t do this to be liked, I do this because the truth needs to be told.


471 posted on 11/07/2012 8:49:23 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: x; The Ignorant Fisherman
Do you really need to be the center of attention in every election cycle? Jews, Catholics, Orthodox can say every so often, our guy's not up there, but the guy who is, speaks for us? Why is that impossible for Evangelicals?

That's just the point, with his support of Abortion and the Gay Agenda he didn't, so many of couldn't say he spoke for us.
472 posted on 11/07/2012 8:49:49 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: svcw
There is no anti-mormon bigotry - there is exposure of mormonISm.

Mormonism not anti-mormon bigotry is a distinction without a difference. I'd rather the Mormon over the Muslim Marxist any day.

473 posted on 11/07/2012 8:55:49 PM PST by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: metmom

> I can’t help but think that this is God’s judgment on us.<

Indeed, that is what I have said. Having to choose btwn a Mormon whose faith teaches men can become gods (as they say God progressed from being a man), and a man whose ideology makes the liberal elite as gods, is indeed a judgment.

As with Israel of old, blindness in part has happened to America.

“Israel hath cast off the thing that is good: the enemy shall pursue him. They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off. “ (Hosea 8:3-4)

“I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing. “ (Hosea 8:12)

But God changeth not, and we are yet given grace to seek and to serve Him, and the focus must be on us being a “holy nation,” occupying till He comes. Mayberry is not coming back.


474 posted on 11/07/2012 8:57:09 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: RJS1950; SENTINEL

I do not disagree with voting for Romney, as you work with what you have, while also affirming those who would not vote for him out of conscience toward God.

But as for the other things, Rome herself considers Mormonism was outside the body of Christ, which she now (unlike the past) affirms includes baptized Scripture type Prots (Lumen Gentium), even though she excludes the strongest of them as being part of a church proper.

While as for you upholding freedom of religion, this was not true in the past under Rome, which even restricted free access to Scripture. (http://peacebyjesuscom.blogspot.com/2011/09/contradictions-in-roman-catholicism.html)


475 posted on 11/07/2012 9:06:57 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: A Strict Constructionist; SENTINEL; SZonian; Godzilla; greyfoxx39; Colofornian; colorcountry

Live the Bible don’t hit people over the head with it is my motto.

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With 90% of unbelievers I agree with this statement wholeheartedly and that is the approach I take with them. My best friend grew up athiest and a few years ago had a radical born again conversion experience. That is the approach I took with her.

However, when you are dealing with pseudo-Christian cults (and their are specifics that classify them that way) like Mormons or JWs, you won’t get anywhere at all with the approach because they will just agree and say ‘oh we believe that too’ when in reality they may used Christian vocabulary but a different dictionary. They redefine basic terms like “God”, “Savior”, “Salvation”, “Atonement”, “Heaven”, “Grace”. If you don’t compare the Biblical gospel to Mormonsim (or JWs) then they are perfectly happy saying “we believe that too” (even if they don’t) and “see we are Christians too” even though they really do follow a different Christ. You have to point out to them the differences and that makes them angry. It doesn’t matter HOW you say something, the fact that you are not agreeing with their doctrine completely is ‘hate speech’. It is, at times, frustrating, but necessary to show them how their doctrines are NOT Biblical (and I can give you a list of really good sources that explain this in detail). You must first get a Mormon(or JW) to see that their group is not ‘the only true church on the face of the earth’ before you can begin to show them who Christ really was and what Grace really is.

I have pinged several other people who used to be Mormon and are now Christians who will tell you they came out the exact same way. A couple of others have been in ministry to the Mormons for several years and have experience exactly what I am saying. We are not hateful, but we are bold, because boldness in NECESSARY. We don’t hate Mormons, we love them enough to tell them the truth. Nothing breaks our heart more than when an LDS friend or family member dies, not knowing Christ. If we hated them, we would just leave them alone and not bother with being called names, being despised (as someone else on this thread said about me), the death threats from them, the frustration. To be honest, it would be a whole lot easier to just let them be and say we don’t care but we DO care, we care more than most because we put up with their abuse for the cause of Christ.

Check out a few episodes of “heart of the Matter” (HOTM.TV) and you will see what I am talking about.

I will check to see if I can find the clip you mentioned on exit polls.


476 posted on 11/07/2012 9:21:04 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: jda; KeyLargo; All
So, they made the choice to not vote for a Mormon (who, incidentally, have morals and integrity)...

Generally, Mormon or no, what would you think of your next-door neighbor if they announced to you...
(a) They facilitated a LOT of abortions, including paying for many of them in your neighborhood;
(b) They deemed themselves to be a "god in embryo" -- and told you frankly that one day some of the praise, worship, glory and even prayers directed to THE God would be "drained" a bit toward him;
(c) And he made $25,000 a year by being on the Board of Directors of a local theater that made most of their $ up front morally ... but conceded that part of that $25,000 came from the porn-show entrance in the back into one of their screening rooms?

Now, it's true (a), (b), and (c) might not apply to ALL Mormons [(b) for example, applies only to temple Lds]...
...but the "morals and integrity" that might be present in some Lds isn't reflective of the above, which has applied to Mitt Romney!

In fact, (b) shows a LOT of pride, arrogance, and hubris; (c) shows a lack of business integrity; and (a) depicts Romney as being hand-in-hand with the baby dismemberment industry...

Note: (C) references Romney's long-time board of directors position with Marriott Hotel & its XXX-rated in-room showings...Even the Mormon church-owned Deseret News newspaper critiqued Romney in July of '07 for his linkage to the porn industry.

477 posted on 11/07/2012 9:21:17 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: reaganaut
Hey, did any of you guys stay home??

Prior to 2008, I was a "broken glass republican", now I'm a broken glass voter.

I'd still crawl over broken glass to vote for a conservative but no political party owns my vote.

478 posted on 11/07/2012 9:27:26 PM PST by Graybeard58 (If you fear Obama, you'll vote for Romney. If you fear God, you won't.)
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To: Colofornian
the "morals and integrity" that might be present in some Lds isn't reflective of the above, which has applied to Mitt Romney!

I didn't say Romney is perfect. But, given the choice between the only two candidates who had a chance to win, Romney and a socialist who was mentored by socialists/Marxists/communists and surrounds himself with socilaists/Marxists/communists, I chose Romney.

479 posted on 11/07/2012 9:35:41 PM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: greyfoxx39
He DOES believe he is superior and for months posters of all kinds on FR have been remarking that the "likability factor" was missing in him, that he comes across as a used-car salesman.

As good a depiction of Romney as any I've seen, keep up the good work.

Yeah, I'm back.

480 posted on 11/07/2012 9:36:12 PM PST by Graybeard58 (What G.O.P.e. candidate is in store for us in 2016?)
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To: beandog; Colofornian; svcw; Godzilla; ejonesie22; Elsie; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; ...

That’s okay because I despise you. You, and any others that did not vote for Romney, are my enemy. You are responsible for what happens in the next four years.

I hope you, and all your “sweet christian friends” are miserable. In fact, I think you’re just miserable people in general.

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Well first of all, I love you because Christ commands it. Secondly, I hate to disappoint you (no I don’t) but I am far from miserable. Third, I am not responsible for the next 4 years, I didn’t support loser Romney, even in the primaries and I (and my sweet Christian friends) warned about this. I don’t live in a swing state so my vote didn’t affect the election in the least (unless you failed civics and think the US elects based upon popular vote) so even if I HAD voted for Romney, it wouldn’t change the results (my state went for Romney solidly).

Finally, it is the RINOS in the party who are responsible, we SHOULD have taken the Senate, greatly increased our lead in the House and taken the WH, but rather the GOP elite are the ones who shoved someone who is liberal and a liar and had a horrendous record down our throats because it was ‘his turn’. THEY are your real enemies.

But if it makes you feel better to hate and blame me - go ahead. I don’t care if you like me or not. I will continue to speak the truth and speak the truth boldly. Deal with it.


481 posted on 11/07/2012 9:37:27 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Mr Rogers

Oh, do you don’t know anything about mormonIsm.
I may be a nut job but I am not wrong


482 posted on 11/07/2012 9:49:03 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Kevmo

I am correct In what I said, I may have replyed to the wrong person


483 posted on 11/07/2012 9:51:48 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Graybeard58

Prior to 2008, I was a “broken glass republican”, now I’m a broken glass voter.

I’d still crawl over broken glass to vote for a conservative but no political party owns my vote.

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I agree but it took until this last year for me to change. You couldn’t get me to stay home on election day. Because I had to bring my mother out to our ranch, we had to drive 32 miles to vote early (at the county courthouse).

In my rural town, voter turnout was about 45%, but it wasn’t the Evangelicals or even the Protestants that stayed home, it was the Democrats (mostly Catholic and unchurched). Almost all the Republicans voted according to the election chair (my mother’s next door neighbor). The reason the dems stayed home was they didn’t like either one of them. The few Evangelicals in town (about 8%) ALL voted.


484 posted on 11/07/2012 9:52:15 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Iscool

God is not and has not been standing on the Mount of Olives protecting Israel...It’s quite clear that God has used the U.S. to provide weapons and money to Israel in order for Israel to defend itself and prosper...Who can’t see that???

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God does not need America to protect Israel, He may choose to USE America, but ultimately HE protects Israel and Israel exists at HIS good pleasure, not ours.

Who can’t see that??!?!?!


485 posted on 11/07/2012 10:01:40 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

No..it is not WE that want a Marxist....it is they...the other dumb-ass brainwashed half of America whom we are yolked with. Not for long though.


486 posted on 11/07/2012 10:06:05 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel; svcw

I support that as so much is at stake - supreme court nominees. I used to think that the GOP was the intelligent alternative to Marxism - but seeing the anti-Mormon bigotry, I am not so sure.

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As SVCW said, at least for us, it is telling the TRUTH about Mormonism, not ‘anti-Mormon bigotry’. If there is any real ‘anti-Mormon bigotry’ it is on the Dem side, because their views are often based upon ignorance. For us we speak out against Mormonism, because we know the truth and as CHRISTIANS HATE that they insult our Savior at every turn by their THEOLOGY.

Do your research before you spout off.


487 posted on 11/07/2012 10:09:48 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman; newgeezer
Here is why so many people stayed home:

Rush told Romney that the Republicans are selling the opportunity to succeed with "succeed" being defined as become very wealthy in a business you start. Here is where Rush has lost touch. Very very few people care to become very wealthy. I know I don't. I'm a Christian, I'd be ashamed to be very wealthy. So how does his message resonate with anyone?

So what do we want? Real moral justice against gays, sluggards who won't work, baby killers, political deceit, those who make it unsafe for our kids to ride their bikes down the sidewalk in our neighborhoods, rampant femanism, and race baiting.

488 posted on 11/07/2012 10:24:21 PM PST by DungeonMaster (If a man will not work, then neither shall he eat.)
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To: jda
I didn't say Romney is perfect

(Understatement of the day!)

You know when you put an average looking man or woman next to a very poor looking man or woman...and then have somebody "check out" the opposite-sex two men, or two woman (depending on who's looking)... 'tis a fair # of men & women out there who could make some pretty average looking fellow men or women look pretty good by comparison.

That's what we had with Obama this go-round...

Romney wasn't even "average" ... and yet, next to Obama, he was given quite a "lookover."

489 posted on 11/07/2012 11:08:04 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: RightOnline

It was not evangelicals in particular but anyone whose faith is not accompanied by political acumen. We must have both. We must weigh the evils against each other. Unfortunate, but that’s how it is. To vote libertarian or purist or to stay home is evidence of a compartmentalized brain.


490 posted on 11/07/2012 11:21:32 PM PST by firebrand
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To: who knows what evil?

It turned out that they had no effect, specifically, on this election, but beliefs spread through the culture and make these spoilers more acceptable to a certain type.

I stopped encouraging them by attending their meetings. I wanted to hear what was going on and what they were planning, but realized I was encouraging them, even ever so slightly, by my presence. I’ve tried to stay friends with some of them but won’t go to any of their political gatherings.


491 posted on 11/07/2012 11:32:26 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Campion

That’s not evangelism or youth, that’s ignorance.

I had a Dem friend try to tell me that “neither side presented a clear viewpoint” after we had agreed not to discuss politics. She thought that was not discussing politics because the Dems tell their followers this vague stuff to use as talking points as if it were fact. Sort of like a concern troll. If she had been better informed, she would have seen right through that tactic.

“Both parties are the same” is another one, similar, that I get tired of hearing.


492 posted on 11/07/2012 11:39:57 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Tennessee Nana
We will not have to now wonder if Mitt would put his Oath of Office before his oath to his religion.

There are oaths; and then there are OATHS!




...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: “Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that ‘they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.’

Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.

493 posted on 11/08/2012 2:30:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
God never said it was up to me to get rid of Obama, just to not vote for evil and both are evil.

Obedience is better than sacrifice.

494 posted on 11/08/2012 2:31:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
YES I DID put my FAITH before POLITICS AS ALL CHRISTIANS SHOULD!!!!

Now,now...

...no need to shout.

Wow; you really must think that thing about having 'no other gods before Me' is true!

Surely GOD would not want your country to fall: the country that was FOUNDED, based on the following...

 
 
 
Mayflower Compact
 
In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.

 

SURELY not voting for a Conserv uhh... Chris... uhh mora... uhh good looking fellow as Mr. Romney would be allowed by your GOD; wouldn't it?



495 posted on 11/08/2012 2:40:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: newgeezer
Daniel 4:17



"...but if not...", spoken by Churchill; needed no reference given, for the hearers of his voice to instantly understand from whench it came; and just what it meant!

Sadly; we have folks who are perfectly fine with judging Mourdock for his words; and are perfectly fine with calling the SuperStorm an 'act of GOD'.

496 posted on 11/08/2012 2:45:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
But...

...but LORD!

They're trying to KILL me!!!

Can't you see I'm the ONLY one left???

497 posted on 11/08/2012 2:47:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut; Psalm 73
 
 
...meanwhile babies will continue to be slaughtered
 
 
A young girl was walking along a beach upon which thousands of starfish had been washed up during a terrible storm. When she came to each starfish, she would pick it up, and throw it back into the ocean. People watched her with amusement.
 
 She had been doing this for some time when a man approached her and said, “Little girl, why are you doing this? Look at this beach! You can’t save all these starfish. You can’t begin to make a difference!”
 
 The girl seemed crushed, suddenly deflated. But after a few moments, she bent down, picked up another starfish, and hurled it as far as she could into the ocean. Then she looked up at the man and replied,
  
“Well, I made a difference to that one!”
 
 
The old man looked at the girl inquisitively and thought about what she had done.
 
Inspired, he joined the little girl in throwing starfish back into the sea. Soon others joined, and all the starfish were saved.
 
 
 - adapted from the Star Thrower by Loren C. Eiseley
 

498 posted on 11/08/2012 2:52:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: roamer_1
I am against Mormonism, but had he been true to what Mormons are out here in the west, I probably would have voted for him.

And what is that?

They can't even be 'true' to their own SCRIPTURE!!


According to their Second Greatest Living Prophet®...


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

No need to look it up; I've done it for you...


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
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58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.


 

58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.


499 posted on 11/08/2012 2:57:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: roamer_1
"What is this Doctrine and Covenants thing?" some will say.

"I thought the MORMONs 'bible' was "The Book of MORMON"??




For the uninformed, the BoM contains hardly anything that can be called the rules and regulations that they supposedly live by.

The D&C as well as the Pearl of Great Price are ALSO considered to be 'scripture' to MORMONism.


Moreover, the 'sacred' rituals performed in their secretive temples are to be found NOWHERE in ANY of their 'scripture'.

500 posted on 11/08/2012 3:01:48 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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