Skip to comments.Romney Loss - Evangelicals "Again" Stayed Home
Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
Many of us could not imagine that Romney could lose this election, especially after four years of Obamas radical Marxism and its social and fiscal consequences that America will NEVER recover from. All the hype and all the Romney rallies; it indeed looked like a sure victory for Romney except for one equation, the Evangelical vote. We here at the IFB have talked back and forth among ourselves since the RNC convention and with others also in the know; that if the Evangelical vote did not show up on Nov. 6th the jig would be up and Romney would lose big and indeed he has.
Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way.
Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way. The Evangelical vote consists of the TRUE social and moral conservatives of the party (i.e., the Right). Romney and the GOP also gave very little time to the Tea Party who is the heart of the grass root movement and the engine of the Party! The viewer ratings for the 2012 RNC convention were way down, some 40% and many of us- including myself - did not watch one lick of it. Why should we have? We knew what we were getting and many of us felt dissd being left out as we were. That in its self should have set off warning bells to the RNC but in all honesty many of us who are Evangelicals were still going to vote for Romney holding our nose. It is our duty as Believers and an Americans to be salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and even though Romney was who he was; he was the better choice still and the lesser of the two evils for our nation. We were not going to trust in a Romney win but that a Romney win would slow down the final deterioration of our nation.
Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth and many have NOT forgotten it. Evangelicals felt betrayed and many did not vote for McCain in 2008 which gave Marxist Obama the victory. When you add the convention snub of Romney and the GOP that was the straw that broke the elephants back.
Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth.
Now we come to today, the day after the election and we once more again see that the Evangelical vote has stayed home; and in doing so have given Obama another four years to finish the job of transforming our nation and fundamentally changing our culture and way of life which includes the elimination of sound biblical Christianity. I know I am going to get a ton of hate mail for this statement, but SHAME ON YOU for sitting home and not choosing to be light and exercising your God given right to vote (Matt. 5:13-16)! I know all sides of this argument and there is still absolutely NO excuse (Matt. 5:13-16). Your self righteous pride, biblical ignorance and foolishness has open wide the door now for Christian persecution in our nation and the end of the freedoms we have for the furtherance of the Gospel. My friends, indeed the Day of the Lord is at hand, but WOE to any who seek to bring it about who call on the Name of Jesus Christ by being idol and slothful.This is NOT a sanctification matter and God will hold you accountable for hiding your light and voice.
In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us.
In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us. I think of Samuel when all of Israel wanted a king and not the Lord (1 Sam. 8). It broke his heart and rightly so! He knew what was coming. Thus America in this election has said quite loudly that we DO NOT want the God given freedom to exercise what our Founding Fathers envisioned, which was based on the Laws of Nature and of Natures God. In doing so we have REJECTED the Judeo/ Christian values and ideals which once made this country great. We have now as a nation fully taken on the mantle of Lawlessness and the spirit of Anti Christ as our nations ideology and culture.
Indeed, we as Evangelicals will now see what we must surely endure under lawless administration of Barack H. Obama and many Evangelicasl will be sifted and found wanting. That there... you can take to the bank!
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
It is not because Romney is a Mormon. It is because the American church is a haven of progressive socialism.
Look at the movement called “emergent church” Almost all protestant churches are leading their people in these ways.
Read her post.
“Obama does. / You got any PROOF of this assertion?”
You DOUBT Obama HATES America? Why? Did you notice his Apology Tour? Did you notice his bowing? Did you notice his love for our enemies and his hatred for our friends? Have you noticed his rejection - public and proud - of everything America stands on?
“...but the LDS church never put out a contract on me. / You were lucky...”
Ummm...the Mountain Meadows Massacre occurred a little while ago. No, I didn’t live in Utah during the mid-1800s. I’m not that old.
To give greater weight to something that happened 150 years ago than to what happens daily under President Obama indicates you are delusional!
“The more you talk, the more you give the impression that you’re a closet Obama supporter.”
Yep. It seems Elsie was happy to have Obama get re-elected. She hasn’t noticed his hatred for America. Hasn’t noticed his policies. Hasn’t noticed anything except MITT IS MORMON! AAHHHHH!!!!!! VAMPIRE MITT!!!!!!
I lived in Utah for 7 years. I debated my beliefs with a LOT of Mormons. But no, I never had a Mormon try to murder me. I witnessed to Mormon FRIENDS.
I would gladly give witness to my faith to Obama, but I don’t think I could ever be friends with him. And yes, I’m far more comfortable with Mormons in the USA than with Muslims. I’ve also been in Muslim dominated countries, and want nothing to do with that!
Getting along is not the point. Getting behind the Constitution and making religious prejudices secondary to defending that Constitution is the point. Let the National Socialist Democrat Party take away the Constitution and your religious beliefs will be reduced to cold ashes by these socialist asses. They count on splitting conservatives along religious lines as well as economic and racial lines; they’ve been relatively successful at it.
Horrible movie! I wouldn’t want my name related to anything to do with that waste of a film.
I think 10/10 voters are morons - yes.
If youre so offended by Evangelicals, what are you doing on a site that is evangelical in nature? Trolling?
You said F’m evangelicals. You’ve been avoiding my questions, obfuscating, not answering. Your purpose is to separate conservative christians from their principles. You are no conservative. What are you doing on this forum?
I’m offended by crackpots who stayed home and gave Obama second term - yes.
F them all whoever stayed home knowingly giving obama second term.
the people who are here were actively supporting a candidate by campaigning for him/her? Where? online?
We campaigned for our candidate in her district .... speaking only to people who could vote for her. Why go online?
I didn’t hear many who campaigned. Most on here said they were voting and then going home to await the results on Fox News. Gee, I will tell the old lady I was with who got blisters ... “next time, no campaigning. Just be a spectator.” There is another woman, 103-years old, in town who does more campaigning than the average Freeper.
And this article was about people who stayed home because of religious beliefs.
You said, explicitly: Screw the Evangelicals F em all. Ban me for all i care.
FR is not a GOP website. But it is basically an evangelical, pro-God website. So was that your opus? Are you here to pound down christians in the name of the GOP, because some of them didn’t vote for your GOP-elitist snob liberal?
The ones who stayed home - yes. Same w the paulbots and gary johnson voters.
Thanks for Obama!
Annie Annie Annie.......you didn’t vote for obama because he is a muslim - you ignorant bigot~!
And the more you talk the more you give the impression you are a closet moron.
Sorry but, I haven't been able to figure out what your reply was intended to convey.
You were able to vote 65 million times..........high five!!!
I did; just now.
I missed it earlier.
Those ARE valid reasons to look for someplace new; I guess; instead of praying for the misguided leader and trying to educate him.
As even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then; MORMONism is STILL a cult.
The old "everybody knows it" defense.
Johnson in three states where Romney was only about 20K behind obama and received about 45K votes.
So if one assumes that all the votes were taken from Romney, the Johnson voters elected obama.
It sure did.
WHY did you mention it?
No; they would not.
I would hope that my faith is stronger than any situation I find myself it.
What's wrong with voting against a Muslim because he's a Muslim? Islam, by its nature, is more of a political movement than a religion, which mandates its members to work for complete political control of the area they are in.
When (modern day, mainstream) Mormons call for the death penalty to be imposed on people who leave the Mormon church, and the enslavement of those who refuse to join, then I will listen to Mormonism and Islam being equated.
“The old “everybody knows it” defense.”
Very appropriate when making a statement like, “The sun rises in the east”...
“Ummm...the Mountain Meadows Massacre occurred a little while ago. / ...WHY did you mention it?”
You did first, in post 568, in response to my claim that the Mormons didn’t try to kill me.
Then you ARE here to pound down christians in the name of the GOP, because some of them didnt vote for your GOP-elitist snob liberal. FR is not a GOP website. It IS an evangelical, Pro-God website. That means what you’re doing is trolling. You ain’t a conservative.
They were willing to DIE for their faith. They KNEW that GOD could save them, but if not....
In the spring of 1940 the German army relentlessly beat back British troops from the mainland. As they retreated through Belgium, Winston Churchill addressed Parliament to prepare the country for the hard loss of these troops. The Germans pushed the soldiers right onto the beaches. Germany paused for a moment before delivering the final blow of annihilation to the 350,000 men stranded there. The British people anxiously awaited word of their fate.
As they did, from that little place known as Dunkirk, came a three word radio transmission, But if not.
It was a message which comes from our text today. The God we serve is able to save us from the furnace and he will rescue us from your hand, O king. But if not, we want you to know, we will not serve your gods. (Daniel 3:18)
These words ennobled the British population. Their heroes courage turned them into heroes who launched a 700 boat armada that rescued their brethren from the jaws of death.
“The world will little note, nor long remember...
What's wrong with voting against a MORMON because he's a MORMON?
If you think that a Mormon, by his nature, cannot represent your political interests to your satisfaction, then by all means vote against him. Similarly, other people may decide that people of your brand of Christianity are unfit, by their nature, to hold office and vote against them, and that would be their right as well.
Just don't expect to convince me to agree with you any time soon.
I guess I did!
I didn't notice the link pointed to a source that was about that shameful event in MORMON history.
I was thinking, however, about THIS:
I do not feel threatened by it because I dont think that they will be attempting to convert by the sword.
The gruesome be headings of some 40 Ute corpses in 1850, heads stacked in boxes,and hung by their long hair from the eves of buildings at Fort Utah,has long been ignored, You didnt see the Indians beheading the Mormons.-- Historian Robert Carter
"It is true that the blood of the Son of God was shed for sins through the fall and those committed by men, yet men can commit sins which it can never remit.... There are sins that can be atoned for by an offering upon an altar, as in ancient days; and there are sins that the blood of a lamb, or a calf, or of turtle dove, cannot remit, but they must be atoned for by the blood of the man." (Sermon by Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pages 53-54); also published in the Mormon Church's Deseret News, 1856, page 235)
On another occasion Brigham Young made this chilling statement regarding a person's obligation to spill the blood of those who committed serious sins:
"Now take a person in this congregation who has knowledge with regard to being saved... and suppose that he is overtaken in a gross fault, that he has committed a sin that he knows will deprive him of that exaltation which he desires, and that he cannot attain to it without the shedding his blood, and also knows that by having his blood shed he will atone for that sin and be saved and exalted with the Gods, is there a man or woman in this house but what would say, 'shed my blood that I may be saved and exalted with the Gods?'
"All mankind love themselves, and let these principles be known by an individual, and he would be glad to have his blood shed. That would be loving themselves, even unto an eternal exaltation. Will you love your brothers and sisters likewise, when they have committed a sin that cannot be atoned for without the shedding of their blood? Will you love that man or woman well enough to shed their blood? That is what Jesus Christ meant....
"I could refer you to plenty of instances where men have been righteously slain, in order to atone for their sins. I have seen scores and hundreds of people for whom there would have been a chance... if their lives had been taken and their blood spilled on the ground as a smoking incense to the Almighty, but who are now angels to the Devil... I have known a great many men who have left this Church for whom there is no chance whatever for exaltation, but if their blood had been spilled, it would have been better for them....
"This is loving our neighbor as ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill it.... if you have sinned a sin requiring the shedding of blood, except the sin unto death, would not be satisfied nor rest until your blood should be spilled, that you might gain that salvation you desire. That is the way to love mankind." (Sermon by President Brigham Young, delivered in the Mormon Tabernacle, February 8, 1857; printed in the Deseret News, February 18, 1857; also reprinted in the Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pages 219-220)
These are only two of many "blood atonement" sermons preached by Mormon leaders.
Only if they beat me down like Winston...
Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.
The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.
The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.
The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.
Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.
When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.
In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.
As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.
What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.
In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.
There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.
And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.
MORMONism is built on sand as surely as the homes at Jersey Shore were.
The SuperStorm of Election 2012 may undercut it’s foundations as well...
Standing your ground means sometimes you lose, sometimes it means you are the ONLY one not caving and the ONLY one standing.
My faith, morality and principles are more important to me than being ‘one of the crowd’.
Excellent response, Els.
Since your post followed my reference of 4:17 with a cryptic "...but if not...", you might understand why I was left to wonder.
Now that you provided some context, I do recall Churchill's address. However, the text you included is not "Churchill's speech" as you indicated. Rather, it appears to be the introduction to a sermon by a Pastor Jeff Wood, wherein he merely mentioned Churchill's address.
If by that, you meant to imply my inability to decipher your previous post is symptomatic of our nation's problems, I would recommend gathering additional information before passing such judgment.
Yeah...sermons from the mid-1800s. You might want to think about what the Calvinists and Catholics did in the 1500s & 1600s, then.
If you want to convince anyone that Mitt and other Mormons are going to kill them to save them, you’ve got a long row to hoe! Nutjob.
Very well said and thanks CC
I'm talking about religious sectarianism, and you're talking about ideological differences. I don't think Archbishop Dolan was any softer on gay marriage or abortion than evangelicals or that Rabbi Soloveichik is any less a Zionist than some Evangelical from the Bible Belt.
I'd have to say that it was unwise if the Republicans didn't include an Evangelical clergyman among their speakers -- though I suspect that some of the elected officials who spoke must have been of that persuasion -- but even if all the speakers were Evangelicals (as I am not), I wouldn't assume that the Republicans had nothing to offer me. A lot of voters would -- and have.
Or maybe -- after dealing with your mindset -- maybe I will too. Maybe from now on we should all throw fits about the fact that a political party that expresses our view on the issues doesn't have speakers who belong to our own exact religious or ethnic or demographical group.
In any event, expecting that speakers at a political convention share your political views is far different from demanding that they accept your theological convictions.
I have no issue voting for a Catholic as they are Christians, but Mormons are NOT Christians.
So for you the US Constitution is greater than God Almighty - got it.
There is a dialogue in the Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis where Screwtape is explaining politics to Wormwood that I think we see a lot of on here...
Let him begin by treating the Patriotism or the Pacifism as a part of his religion. Then let him, under the influence of partisan spirit, come to regard it as the most important part. Then quietly and gradually nurse him on to the stage at which the religion becomes merely part of the “cause”... Once you have made the World an end, and faith a means, you have almost won your man, and it makes very little difference what kind of worldly end he is pursuing. Provided that meetings, pamphlets, policies, movements, causes, and crusades, matter more to him than prayers and sacraments and charity, he is ours and the more “religious” (on those terms) the more securely ours. I could show you a pretty cageful down here...
I’ll put down christians, paulbots, goodebots, whoever stayed home in a temper tantrum.
Those who stayed home in a fit are morons and idiots.
DITTO, Man, DITTO. They might have caused me , and many others to be laid off, (as in permanent laid off). They will have some explaining to me if I come across one who admits not voting. I will give them a f*7cking earful, and then some !
They think just because they claim to be religious and standing on some bizarre “principle” of giving obama a second term that they are immune from being called what they are - MORONS AND IDIOTS
They try to make everything about them all the time.
Do the left do this? Do the feminists, enviro marxists, lgbt, blacks, minorities, govt employees unions, or any of the other members of the left wing collection of treasonous groups ever stay home in a fit of rage?
NO ! They vote and show up!