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Romney Loss - Evangelicals "Again" Stayed Home
IFB ^ | 11/7/12

Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

Many of us could not imagine that Romney could lose this election, especially after four years of Obama’s radical Marxism and its social and fiscal consequences that America will NEVER recover from. All the hype and all the Romney rallies; it indeed looked like a sure victory for Romney except for one equation, the Evangelical vote. We here at the IFB have talked back and forth among ourselves since the RNC convention and with others also in the know; that if the Evangelical vote did not show up on Nov. 6th the jig would be up and Romney would lose big… and indeed he has.

Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way.

Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way. The Evangelical vote consists of the TRUE social and moral conservatives of the party (i.e., the Right). Romney and the GOP also gave very little time to the Tea Party who is the heart of the grass root movement and the engine of the Party! The viewer ratings for the 2012 RNC convention were way down, some 40% and many of us- including myself - did not watch one lick of it. Why should we have? We knew what we were getting and many of us felt “diss’d” being left out as we were. That in its self should have set off warning bells to the RNC but in all honesty many of us who are Evangelicals were still going to vote for Romney holding our nose. It is our duty as Believers and an Americans to be salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and even though Romney was who he was; he was the better choice still and the lesser of the two evils for our nation. We were not going to trust in a Romney win but that a Romney win would slow down the final deterioration of our nation.

Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth and many have NOT forgotten it. Evangelicals felt betrayed and many did not vote for McCain in 2008 which gave Marxist Obama the victory. When you add the convention snub of Romney and the GOP that was the straw that broke the elephants back.

Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth.

Now we come to today, the day after the election and we once more again see that the Evangelical vote has stayed home; and in doing so have given Obama another four years to finish the job of transforming our nation and fundamentally changing our culture and way of life which includes the elimination of sound biblical Christianity. I know I am going to get a ton of hate mail for this statement, but SHAME ON YOU for sitting home and not choosing to be light and exercising your God given right to vote (Matt. 5:13-16)! I know all sides of this argument and there is still absolutely NO excuse (Matt. 5:13-16). Your self righteous pride, biblical ignorance and foolishness has open wide the door now for Christian persecution in our nation and the end of the freedoms we have for the furtherance of the Gospel. My friends, indeed the Day of the Lord is at hand, but WOE to any who seek to bring it about who call on the Name of Jesus Christ by being idol and slothful.This is NOT a sanctification matter and God will hold you accountable for hiding your light and voice.

In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us.

In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us. I think of Samuel when all of Israel wanted a king and not the Lord (1 Sam. 8). It broke his heart and rightly so! He knew what was coming. Thus America in this election has said quite loudly that we DO NOT want the God given freedom to exercise what our Founding Fathers envisioned, which was based on the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God. In doing so we have REJECTED the Judeo/ Christian values and ideals which once made this country great. We have now as a nation fully taken on the mantle of Lawlessness and the spirit of Anti Christ as our nation’s ideology and culture.

Indeed, we as Evangelicals will now see what we must surely endure under lawless administration of Barack H. Obama and many Evangelicasl will be sifted and found wanting. That there... you can take to the bank!

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!


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To: timestax

651 posted on 11/08/2012 11:36:57 AM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: svcw

That is a leap of illogic.

The U.S. Constitution IS more important than SOMEBODY ELSE’S denominational beliefs because it is the basis for all of our freedoms including religious freedoms.

The elections, politics, our way of life depend on adherance to the Constitutional principles of freedom. The Constitutional principles were derived from Christian religious principles; multiple denominational beliefs and not just one narrow Christian view of God. The founding fathers extended that religious freedom to ALL religions, and by default even islam which does not deserve recognition as a true religion. If Romney had was a muslim it would be an entirely different matter. Mormonism is not the same as it was 150 years ago any more than most other Christian denominations are what they were then. Quit taking the philosophy of if your hand offends God, cut it off.

You’ve got nothing and know nothing about me or what I believe so close up that orfice you spew that crap from.


652 posted on 11/08/2012 11:37:59 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: reaganaut; chesley

Standing your ground means you’re not advancing your agenda. Stand your ground long enough and you’re surrounded.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2956400/posts?page=50#50

I’w with chesley. I vote against the Party of Satan every chance I get. Of course, that takes discernment.

Chesley - courtesy ping since your name is mentioned.


653 posted on 11/08/2012 11:41:21 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: timestax

654 posted on 11/08/2012 11:41:32 AM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: timestax

655 posted on 11/08/2012 11:43:29 AM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: timestax
Here evangelicals...here is your president


656 posted on 11/08/2012 11:46:44 AM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Yet you singled out evangelicals in your post. You’re offended that they don’t vote for your GOP candidate, so you come here on a non-GOP website and say F’m to the people who are the core of conservatism, the core of this NON GOP website. That makes you a troll

As I said, you are here to pound down christians in the name of the GOP, because some of them didn’t vote for your GOP-elitist snob liberal. FR is not a GOP website. It IS an evangelical, Pro-God website. That means what you’re doing is trolling. You ain’t a conservative.


657 posted on 11/08/2012 11:50:09 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: 1010RD

I vote against the Party of Satan every chance I get. Of course, that takes discernment.

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Ummm..Satan doesn’t have a political party. And I won’t further Mormonism which is a demonic ‘church’.

I am a CHRISTIAN first, a CONSERVATIVE second, and a member of the Constitution party.

My faith is more important than politics. But thank you for proving CS Lewis’ insight correct.


658 posted on 11/08/2012 11:59:19 AM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Kevmo

check out #656, that idiot is blaming evangelicals too.


659 posted on 11/08/2012 12:00:51 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: 1010RD

Standing your ground means you’re not advancing your agenda. Stand your ground long enough and you’re surrounded.

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Did early Christians cave? Did they say “oh we won’t stand for the truth, we will sacrifice to idols just to ‘get along’? NO. They died for their faith.

It is nonsense to say that because I won’t compromise I won’ further my agenda. People are won by debate and logic, if you compromise you let them win, because once you move from your principles and they see that, they will know you will KEEP Compromising. That is why the GOP has become so damn liberal that they nominated Liberal Romney.

Go ahead and compromise your values (if you have any), I will stand for truth.


660 posted on 11/08/2012 12:03:43 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: GlockThe Vote; timestax

Then you ARE here to pound down christians in the name of the GOP, because some of them didn’t vote for your GOP-elitist snob liberal. FR is not a GOP website. It IS an evangelical, Pro-God website. That means what you’re doing is trolling. You ain’t a conservative.

Those people who chose not to vote for your POS candidate had a right to do so, and they are more conservative than you. FR is a conservative website, not a republican website, so you should not be doing that. Would you expect Paulbots to vote against Ron Paul? Or would you go onto a Goodebot website and expect them to vote against Goode? That would be OBVIOUS trolling. Then why do you come onto a conservative website and expect them to vote against their conservative principles? It is OBVIOUS trolling.


661 posted on 11/08/2012 12:13:24 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Elsie

Who was that? Romney was my last choice.

Bigot? Lighten up. I just don’t care for the “JC will provide” crap. My car is almost out of gas, should I wait until he fills it up or get off my duff and drive to the gas station?


662 posted on 11/08/2012 12:35:55 PM PST by Fledermaus (2012: The year the Constitution died.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

And I agree that extreme shame ought to be visited upon the evangelicals who did not vote for Romney yesterday.
***Why? This is a conservative website. Berating conservatives because they didn’t vote for a librul is not conservative. It says right in the founder’s statement that we are not beholden to ANY political party; FR is not a GOP website. So stop with the bowlsheet of conservatives preferring something over another when they had no real choice. The GOP let them down. Would you expect blacks to vote for a kkk candidate? Would you go onto blackpower.com and berate them for not voting for someone antithetical to their principles? No, because such a thing is OBVIOUSLY trolling. But coming onto a conservative website and berating conservatives for not voting for their antithetical nonconservative is somehow acceptable. Bowlsheet. It’s trolling.


663 posted on 11/08/2012 12:43:38 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Ann Archy; All
AndColofornian, your percentage doesn;t matter...only the AMOUNT of Evangelicals that "bothered" to vote for the Mormon matters...or maybe they stayed home because they didn't like the OTHER cult member, Ryan, who is Catholic!!!!

More assumptions, eh, Ann Archy?

Well, thus far the best source I've found that at least provides indicators as to how many Evangelicals voted is Pew Forum's exit polls: How the Faithful Voted: 2012 Preliminary Analysis

Per Pew Forum's exit polls, were white Evangelicals a greater part of the 2012 voting block vs. 2008 and 2004? Or less?

Answer? Well, I just crunched the rough #s based upon Pew Forum's exit polls...and more -- not less -- white Evangelicals voted in 2012...than either in 2008 or 2004.

It looks like almost 31 million white Evangelicals voted in 2012; compared to about 30 million in 2008, and compared to about 26 & 1/4 million in 2004.

How did white Evangelicals compare to other voter segments...in staying home or not?

Answer: They were 24% of the voting block in 2012; 23% in 2008; 21% in 2004.

Which religious voter groups turned out significantly less in 2012? (a) OTHER white Protestants -- not Evangelicals; (b) white Catholics

Per Pew Forum white Protestants dropped from 42% of the pie in 2008 to 39% in 2012...keep in mind, tho, that the mainline denominations are "aging" & unless a Dem "resurrects" a dead voter, they don't vote from the grave...

Still, 42% of about 132,654 (2008) vs. 39% of about 128 million is a drop-off of over 4 million voters!

Also, white Catholics dropped from 19% in 2008 to 18% in 2012...Because the voter pool was smaller in 2012, that's about 2 million LESS white Catholics turning out...(I estimate a drop from just over 25 million to just over 23 million)...obviously some of them died and weren't replaced by younger Catholic voters.

664 posted on 11/08/2012 1:05:44 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: RJS1950
Oh, how so very sweet........words and words to demonstrate once again the Constitution has become your sacred document and God Almighty has been relegated to history.

pssst, mormonISM is not different than 150 years ago, they just have way better PR machines these days.

665 posted on 11/08/2012 1:27:50 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Kevmo

The electable alternative to Obama was Romney. Comparing Romney to the KKK is ridiculous.

IIRC, even the founder of this site, late in the season, said he would vote for Romney to just get rid of Obama.

Evangelicals who ignored Billy Grahams thinly veiled plea to vote for Romney ought to be ashamed.


666 posted on 11/08/2012 1:28:53 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

No deary extreme shame is on evangelicals and Christians who voted for a man who is the royalty of the SLC LDS


667 posted on 11/08/2012 1:32:47 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Are you here to pound down christians in the name of the GOP, because some of them didn’t vote for your GOP-elitist snob liberal? FR is not a GOP website. It IS an evangelical, Pro-God website. That means what you’re doing is trolling. That ain’t conservative.

Those people who chose not to vote for your POS candidate had a right to do so, and they are more conservative than you. FR is a conservative website, not a republican website, so you should not be doing that. Would you expect Paulbots to vote against Ron Paul? Or would you go onto a Goodebot website and expect them to vote against Goode? That would be OBVIOUS trolling. Then why do you come onto a conservative website and expect them to vote against their conservative principles? It is OBVIOUS trolling.


668 posted on 11/08/2012 1:35:30 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Ann Archy; All
Now that I answered your false accusations on this thread -- and we know that false accusations are relatives of those issued by the overseer of hell -- let's deal with your next accusation:

...you PURE Evangelicals who won't vote for a Mormon or a Catholic helped to DESTROY this country.

Well, guess what...at least three FREEPERs posted threads re: Mark Levin's radio content...see this one, for example: Mark Levin Gives "Unvarnished Truth" On Romney Loss

Now what did Levin have to say about Republicans like Ann Archy:

Levin: Now I hear we're called 'purists.' Conservatives are called purists. The very people who keep nominating moderates, now call us purists the way the left calls us purists. Yeah, things like liberty, and property rights, individual sovereignty, and the Constitution, and capitalism. We're purists now. And we have to hear this crap from conservatives, or pseudo-conservatives, Republicans.

Levin calls accusations like yours as "crap"...and that these comments are issued by "pseudoconservatives" like you!!!

669 posted on 11/08/2012 1:36:28 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: 1010RD; chesley; All
I’w with chesley. I vote against the Party of Satan every chance I get. Of course, that takes discernment.

Well, Mormons and Evangelicals had one thing in common per the Pew Forum exit polls...

And that is about 1 in 5 Mormons, and 1 in 5 white Evangelicals, voted for Obama.

(%-wise, there was actually more support for Romney by Evangelicals than Mormons! ... by 1%)

So...are we going to hear any lambasting of Obama-supporting Lds on this thread???

670 posted on 11/08/2012 1:41:14 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: Colofornian

I’m willing to lambast anybody that voted for Obama. and I’m an evangelical.

Stupid people belong to every race and religion.


671 posted on 11/08/2012 2:00:54 PM PST by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: Colofornian

Obama-supporting LDS are idiots. I’m often curious when we see these polls of alleged Christians, particularly from PEW which has a radical agenda. Are the CINOs or do they really practice their religion?


672 posted on 11/08/2012 2:11:33 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

(Hey, if I recall, even Bush got 22% of the gay & lesbian vote in one of the elections...there just seems to be that 80-20 rule where 20% will buck whatever their “peer group culture” is clamoring for)


673 posted on 11/08/2012 2:14:38 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: reaganaut

So you’re the deciding vote between Diocletian and Romney to rule your country. Who do you choose?

Rule: Voting for someone else, not voting or voting for neither gives you Diocletian by default.

Hint: this is a test of discernment.


674 posted on 11/08/2012 2:18:49 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: RJS1950; Elsie; Mr Rogers
OK, add "...your right to your religious beliefs will be reduced to cold ashes". You will be persecuted and martyred for your beliefs.

Well, let's see...$millionaires like Mitt have been giving $millions to the Mormon church to slander the worldwide Christian church as Satanic, false, dead, abominable, corrupt, not joinable, apostate, etc.

And these aren't just -- as Mr Rogers implied -- sermons from the 16th & 17th centuries...

These are Lds "scriptures" -- not opinions from the pulpit...being translated in hundreds of languages around the world.

And many of these aren't generic comments about "heretics" -- but are specific in targeting Christian sects.

It's also in current Lds curricula, media & online content.

So, the Lds church has already been attacking us Christians in $millions of ways for quite some time...It's been good "preparation" for additional persecution.

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Sample of what Mitt's $millions have been paying for in reprinting Lds "scriptures":

Snapshot of Joseph Smith’s Slanderous Invectives vs. Christian Sects

Mormon Source

[Note: Most of these are Mormon ‘scriptures'. In fact, First three rows below are Lds 'scripture' & therefore cannot be rug-swept any more than a Jew might try to take three commandments off of the very tablets of stone Moses brought down from the mountain]
“...which of all the sects was right… must join NONE of them, for they were ALL WRONG… those professors were ALL CORRUPT…” Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price
...“which of all the sects was right…ALL their CREEDS were an ABOMINATION in his sight…they teach for doctrines the commandments of MEN…” Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price
Mormon church the only ‘Christ-sanctioned’ church on earth: “…the foundation of this [Mormon] church…the ONLY true and living church on the face of the whole earth” [Obvious ‘scorched earth’ implication: All other churches are false and dead] Lds “scripture” Doctrines & Covenants 1:30
Direct question asked of Joseph Smith: 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?" Answer from Lds "prophet" Joseph Smith: 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119 [Not “scripture” – but still publicly spoken by the Mormon ‘living prophet’ and published by a later Mormon ‘living prophet,’ Joseph Fielding Smith – via a publisher owned by the Mormon church – Deseret News Press, 1938]
“In 1952…the first official proselyting plan was sent to missionaries throughout the world…It included seven missionary discussions that emphasized…[four topics, one of them being]THE APOSTASY and Restoration…” [This makes it 60 years that Mormon church missionaries, now numbering 55,000, have formally emphasized in its training & door to door saturation a priority in bashing the worldwide Christian church as “apostates” (100% AWOL)] Our Heritage: A Brief History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints p. 116, 1996

675 posted on 11/08/2012 2:34:19 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: svcw

wrong.


676 posted on 11/08/2012 2:41:47 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: newgeezer
If by that, you meant to imply my inability to decipher your previous post is symptomatic of our nation's problems, I would recommend gathering additional information before passing such judgment.

I gathered that since you were up to Daniel chapter 4; then chapter 3 would have been fresh in your mind.

I haven't checked a lot of translations, so the phrase 'but if not' could be slightly different in some of them and studying would not have necessarily picked it up.


Sorry about the judging thing.There's been so much of it in this thread that some of it has rubbed off on me I guess.

677 posted on 11/08/2012 2:42:44 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: chesley

I’m willing to lambast anybody that voted for Obama. and I’m an evangelical.
***So you’re here to pound down other christians in the name of the GOP, because some of them didn’t vote for your GOP-elitist snob liberal? FR is not a GOP website. It IS an evangelical, Pro-God website. That means what you’re doing is trolling. That ain’t conservative.

Those people who chose not to vote for your POS candidate had a right to do so, and they are more conservative than you. FR is a conservative website, not a republican website, so you should not be doing that. Would you expect Paulbots to vote against Ron Paul? Or would you go onto a Goodebot website and expect them to vote against Goode? That would be OBVIOUS trolling. Then why do you come onto a conservative website and expect them to vote against their conservative principles? It is OBVIOUS trolling. Calling them stupid is flamebaiting... and trolling. If you wanna slam conservatives for voting against your GOP statist, go to GOP.com. Then it wouldn’t be trolling.


678 posted on 11/08/2012 2:44:27 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Mr Rogers
You might want to think about what the Calvinists and Catholics did in the 1500s & 1600s, then.

Not relevant; since MORMONism makes the claim of being the copyright holder of the Restored Gospel® it should NEVER have proclaimed the things it did.

679 posted on 11/08/2012 2:44:35 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: x

Excellent job of parsing the differences.


680 posted on 11/08/2012 2:46:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Those on the right who could have voted and stayed home are total scum.


681 posted on 11/08/2012 2:46:14 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: 1010RD

So you’re the deciding vote between Diocletian and Romney to rule your country. Who do you choose?
***Oh, we’re onto hypotheticals now. One vote’s gonna make or break it. Ok, if I jump up & down on an earthquake fault, will people die as a result? Well, then, if EVERYONE jumps up & down on the same site, will it be the same morally as murder for what follows? Stupid hypothetical, I know, and so is yours.


682 posted on 11/08/2012 2:48:12 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: reaganaut

Quite!


683 posted on 11/08/2012 2:48:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A CA Guy

So you too are here to pound down other christians in the name of the GOP, because some of them didn’t vote for your GOP-elitist snob liberal. FR is not a GOP website. It IS an evangelical, Pro-God website. That means what you’re doing is trolling. That ain’t conservative.

Those people who chose not to vote for your POS candidate had a right to do so, and they are more conservative than you. FR is a conservative website, not a republican website, so you should not be doing that. Would you expect Paulbots to vote against Ron Paul? Or would you go onto a Goodebot website and expect them to vote against Goode? That would be OBVIOUS trolling. Then why do you come onto a conservative website and expect them to vote against their conservative principles? It is OBVIOUS trolling. Calling them stupid is flamebaiting... and trolling. If you wanna slam conservatives for voting against your GOP statist, go to GOP.com. Then it wouldn’t be trolling.


684 posted on 11/08/2012 2:49:58 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

According to the Pew survey, Romney did 6% better with white evangelicals than McCain.


685 posted on 11/08/2012 2:50:31 PM PST by cookcounty ("When I speak, I say what I mean and I mean what I say!" ---Joe Biden, 10/11/2012)
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To: x
Maybe from now on we should all throw fits ....

Looks as though a few in the thread have taken your advice!

686 posted on 11/08/2012 2:50:59 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kevmo

JESUS CHRIST was not running for President. Jesus Christ was the only perfect human. If you are looking for the perfect candidate, you will be looking for a LONG time ! If it wasn’t so sad and tragic (Obama and his regime lording over us) your reply to me would almost be humorous.


687 posted on 11/08/2012 2:52:28 PM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: RJS1950
The U.S. Constitution IS more important than SOMEBODY ELSE’S denominational beliefs because it is the basis for all of our freedoms including religious freedoms.


688 posted on 11/08/2012 2:53:37 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kevmo
ANY politically right leaning person who either sat out or voted another party and allowed a communist Obama in deserves our total hatred and disgust IMO.
They deserve no respect from any one on the right who voted because they let America down in it's time of need.
These people just F’d over my four year old with their BS for staying home and I could care less if they drop dead tomorrow because they are less than useless to this country in it's time of need.
If they be atheist, homosexuals, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Junkies/Libertarians it doesn't matter. A fool is a fool and a traitor is a traitor. Stupid is stupid and the time to strike back against Obamacare, communism, tyranny and laziness was Nov. 6th, 2012.

Anyone voting third party or who could but didn't vote F’d the country over that night as I see it.

689 posted on 11/08/2012 2:58:03 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: timestax

JESUS CHRIST was not running for President.
***Obvious attempt at deflection.

If you are looking for the perfect candidate, you will be looking for a LONG time
***I’m looking for a conservative candidate, on a conservative website. You are berating conservatives for not voting for what the founder calls a lying, baby-killing gun-grabbing statist. The issue isn’t the perfection of Christ, it is the fact that you are trolling, trying to separate conservatives from their conservative beliefs on a conservative website.

If it wasn’t so sad and tragic (Obama and his regime lording over us) your reply to me would almost be humorous.
***It is time to take back conservatism from the CINOs. If you are berating conservatives, you are in the free fire zone. You have a chance to get out of it.


690 posted on 11/08/2012 2:58:03 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: timestax; kevao; RJS1950; All
JESUS CHRIST was not running for President. Jesus Christ was the only perfect human. If you are looking for the perfect candidate, you will be looking for a LONG time !

Hey, Jesus may not have been on the ballot, but a man pretending to be a "divine one" was...name was Mitt Romney.

You see temple Mormons believe they are "gods in embryo"...temple Lds, are, btw, about 15-20% of all Mormons...

Now tell us: Had McCain or Sarah Palin claimed they were "gods in embryo," would it actually surprise you that some would not have voted for them??? (voted third party, for example)

Not sure why Mormonism got this "free pass" this election on this particular personality identity disorder -- given that it shows a basic lack of discernment and vulnerability to deception by THE would-be leader of the free world...

I mean, a LOT of Lds wacky beliefs didn't necessarily play into evaluating a candidate...but if he doesn't even know who he is...if he thinks he was spirit-born on another planet near the star Kolob...then why did the birthers go crazy only over Obama???

***********************************

Documentation on the 'god-in-embryo' official Lds teaching:

Marion G. Romney -- cousin of Mitt's father -- and in the Lds 'first presidency' at one time

“The truth is … man is a child of God— a God in embryo.” – Mitt Romney's father's cousin, Marion G. Romney – one of the top three Lds hierarchists a generation ago...in Conference Report, April 1973, p. 136; or Ensign, July 1973, p. 14).

3rd LDS 'prophet' John Taylor

* "What is [man]? He had his being in the eternal worlds; he existed before he came here. He is not only the son of man, but he is the son of God also. He IS a God in embryo, and possesses within him a spark of that eternal flame..." (3rd "prophet" John Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, pp. 52-54, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 2, 2001 -- compiled & published by its "intellectual reserve" publishing trademark).
* "If we take man, he is said to have been made in the image of God...being his son, he is, of course, his offspring, an emanation from God...He...came forth possessing, in an embryonic state, ALL the faculties and powers of a God." (Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, p. 52, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 3, 2001).

12th Lds 'prophet' Spencer W. Kimball

Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978.

But did you know Mormonism teaches you are all "gods in embryo"??? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Did you know that Mormonism teaches the false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:

1969 "Being a GOD IN EMBRYO with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)

A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)

To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.

September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)

1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a GOD IN EMBRYO. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975

November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of one’s life—to substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine

This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp

691 posted on 11/08/2012 3:01:47 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: RJS1950
Mormonism is not the same as it was 150 years ago any more than most other Christian denominations are what they were then.

Why not?

It claims to be the REAL thing that JESUS left behind - not some vile thing that has changed thru the years at the hands of men.


These are the very words which the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. said regarding The Book of Mormon.

Here are his exact words,

"I told the brethren, [the twelve Apostles] that the Book of Mormon was the most correct book of any on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book." JSHC 7 Vol., 4:461


And just HOW was the BoM translated???



 
...with his face stuck in a hat.
 



"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
 
 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
 
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.




692 posted on 11/08/2012 3:02:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kevmo; kevao

Kevmo, ping to 691...Kevao...sorry for ping, wrong poster


693 posted on 11/08/2012 3:03:06 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: A CA Guy

ANY politically right leaning person who either sat out or voted another party and allowed a communist Obama in deserves our total hatred and disgust IMO.
***Your opinion is a piece of CINO turd work. This is not a GOP website, it is a conservative website. Berating conservatives for not voting for a GOP statist is not being conservative. It is trolling. It would be suitable to do something like that on GOP.com, where it would not be trolling. But this is NOT GOP.com, and trashing other conservatives is trolling.

Anyone voting third party or who could but didn’t vote F’d the country over that night as I see it.
***Save your ire for the GOP-e who went out of their way to give us this POS statist candidate. They are the ones who screwed over this country, and focusing on them is the right thing to do. Focusing on other conservatives is the wrong thing to do. It is trolling. Stop being a troll.


694 posted on 11/08/2012 3:04:24 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: cookcounty

According to RCP’s election analysis, it wasn’t evangelicals who stayed home. It was swing blue collar white voters who soured on Obama but didn’t trust “Bain” Romney. Like Huckabee said, people don’t want to vote for the guy who looks like the guy who laid them off.

Most of them must have voted for Obama last time since most of the vote total loss came from Obama’s column. With a candidate without Romney’s Bain capital baggage of shutting down troubled companies, we would’ve won.


695 posted on 11/08/2012 3:04:44 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: Colofornian; RJS1950; Elsie

Bitch all you want about the Mormon church. At least Mitt doesn’t run around apologizing for America! He doesn’t treat the Prime Minister of Israel like dog poop, and he’s never bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia!

“And these aren’t just — as Mr Rogers implied — sermons from the 16th & 17th centuries...”

I did NOT imply any such thing, although you seem content to lie about others. What I said was that no one from the LDS church tried to murder me during the 7 years I lived in Utah and witnessed to Mormons. This is NOT 1850, and travelers passing thru Utah are not in danger for their lives.

Anyone claiming otherwise is a psycho nutjob.


696 posted on 11/08/2012 3:05:40 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit.)
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To: Colofornian

Now tell us: Had McCain or Sarah Palin claimed they were “gods in embryo,” would it actually surprise you that some would not have voted for them??? (voted third party, for example)
***Dang, that’s a very good point.


697 posted on 11/08/2012 3:06:48 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

You’re not a good judge of stupid.


698 posted on 11/08/2012 3:12:26 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: RJS1950; daniel1212; Elsie; All
...it was true that IN THE PAST all denominations took part in demonizing other Christian denominations and Jews and expressed that in the form of burnings, the inquisition, witch trials etc. That is history...

Sorry...not just "History" for the Mormon church re: its demonization of the worldwide Christian church.

Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "The church of the devil is the world; it is all the carnality and evil to which fallen man is heir; it is every unholy and wicked practice; it is every false religion, every supposed system of salvation which does not actually save and exalt man in the highest heaven of the celestial world. It is every church except the true church, whether parading under a Christian or a pagan banner." (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:551)

This last quote, note you, RJ, was cited by the official Mormon church...
* The church of JC LDS: Seminaries and Institutes of Religion: Book of Mormon Student Manual: Chapter 4: 1Nephi 11–14: Notes and Commentary
* It was also cited among study guides commonly used in the Mormon church as published by Cedar Fort out of Springville, Utah...in these two 2007 books:
* Randal S. Chase, Making Precious Things Plain: A Book of Mormon Study Guide: Volume 1: 1 Nephi-Alma 16 Cedar Fort, Springville, UT, 2007 p. 40
* K. Douglas Bassett, PhD, Doctrinal Insights to the Book of Mormon: Vol. 1: 1 Nephi through 2 Nephi Cedar Fort, Springville, UT 2007, pp. 62-63

Less than 30 years ago -- Official Lds church magazine, Ensign:
The “man of sin,” generally equated with Satan, would exalt himself over all that is divine and assume the place of God in the Church. Of historical and theological significance is the fact that in Paul’s prophecy the church structure survives. But God is not at its head, making that church—following the appearance in it of Satan—no longer the church of God....How appropriate, therefore, is Paul’s description of him sitting in the place of God in the church of the apostasía. Kent P. Jackson, Signs of the Early Apostasy, Ensign, December 1984 Signs of the Early Apostasy

699 posted on 11/08/2012 3:12:49 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: SoFloFreeper
The electable alternative to Obama was Romney. Comparing Romney to the KKK is ridiculous.

IIRC, even the founder of this site, late in the season, said he would vote for Romney to just get rid of Obama.

Evangelicals who ignored Billy Grahams thinly veiled plea to vote for Romney ought to be ashamed.

You're right.

These people who didn't vote for Romney simply did NOT CARE if obama won. They've been defending their vote for a third party for days now.

Maybe they must feel guilty, but I doubt it. They're proud they stopped Romney.

At this point I'm not interested in how people did or did not vote. It's IRRELEVANT and pointless to argue about it. Vote for whomever you want. It's a free country.

I'm adjusting to the fact that obama won, and I'm avoiding the news for the moment. He's our president, and we may as well get used to it. I have relatives that love obama, and they think it will be a great 4 years.

700 posted on 11/08/2012 3:13:46 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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