Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
Many of us could not imagine that Romney could lose this election, especially after four years of Obama’s radical Marxism and its social and fiscal consequences that America will NEVER recover from. All the hype and all the Romney rallies; it indeed looked like a sure victory for Romney except for one equation, the Evangelical vote. We here at the IFB have talked back and forth among ourselves since the RNC convention and with others also in the know; that if the Evangelical vote did not show up on Nov. 6th the jig would be up and Romney would lose big… and indeed he has.
Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way.
Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way. The Evangelical vote consists of the TRUE social and moral conservatives of the party (i.e., the Right). Romney and the GOP also gave very little time to the Tea Party who is the heart of the grass root movement and the engine of the Party! The viewer ratings for the 2012 RNC convention were way down, some 40% and many of us- including myself - did not watch one lick of it. Why should we have? We knew what we were getting and many of us felt “diss’d” being left out as we were. That in its self should have set off warning bells to the RNC but in all honesty many of us who are Evangelicals were still going to vote for Romney holding our nose. It is our duty as Believers and an Americans to be salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and even though Romney was who he was; he was the better choice still and the lesser of the two evils for our nation. We were not going to trust in a Romney win but that a Romney win would slow down the final deterioration of our nation.
Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth and many have NOT forgotten it. Evangelicals felt betrayed and many did not vote for McCain in 2008 which gave Marxist Obama the victory. When you add the convention snub of Romney and the GOP that was the straw that broke the elephants back.
Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth.
Now we come to today, the day after the election and we once more again see that the Evangelical vote has stayed home; and in doing so have given Obama another four years to finish the job of transforming our nation and fundamentally changing our culture and way of life which includes the elimination of sound biblical Christianity. I know I am going to get a ton of hate mail for this statement, but SHAME ON YOU for sitting home and not choosing to be light and exercising your God given right to vote (Matt. 5:13-16)! I know all sides of this argument and there is still absolutely NO excuse (Matt. 5:13-16). Your self righteous pride, biblical ignorance and foolishness has open wide the door now for Christian persecution in our nation and the end of the freedoms we have for the furtherance of the Gospel. My friends, indeed the Day of the Lord is at hand, but WOE to any who seek to bring it about who call on the Name of Jesus Christ by being idol and slothful.This is NOT a sanctification matter and God will hold you accountable for hiding your light and voice.
In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us.
In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us. I think of Samuel when all of Israel wanted a king and not the Lord (1 Sam. 8). It broke his heart and rightly so! He knew what was coming. Thus America in this election has said quite loudly that we DO NOT want the God given freedom to exercise what our Founding Fathers envisioned, which was based on the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God. In doing so we have REJECTED the Judeo/ Christian values and ideals which once made this country great. We have now as a nation fully taken on the mantle of Lawlessness and the spirit of Anti Christ as our nation’s ideology and culture.
Indeed, we as Evangelicals will now see what we must surely endure under lawless administration of Barack H. Obama and many Evangelicasl will be sifted and found wanting. That there... you can take to the bank!
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
Then you ARE here to pound down christians in the name of the GOP, because some of them didn’t vote for your GOP-elitist snob liberal. FR is not a GOP website. It IS an evangelical, Pro-God website. That means what you’re doing is trolling. You ain’t a conservative.
Those people who chose not to vote for your POS candidate had a right to do so, and they are more conservative than you. FR is a conservative website, not a republican website, so you should not be doing that. Would you expect Paulbots to vote against Ron Paul? Or would you go onto a Goodebot website and expect them to vote against Goode? That would be OBVIOUS trolling. Then why do you come onto a conservative website and expect them to vote against their conservative principles? It is OBVIOUS trolling.
Who was that? Romney was my last choice.
Bigot? Lighten up. I just don’t care for the “JC will provide” crap. My car is almost out of gas, should I wait until he fills it up or get off my duff and drive to the gas station?
And I agree that extreme shame ought to be visited upon the evangelicals who did not vote for Romney yesterday.
***Why? This is a conservative website. Berating conservatives because they didn’t vote for a librul is not conservative. It says right in the founder’s statement that we are not beholden to ANY political party; FR is not a GOP website. So stop with the bowlsheet of conservatives preferring something over another when they had no real choice. The GOP let them down. Would you expect blacks to vote for a kkk candidate? Would you go onto blackpower.com and berate them for not voting for someone antithetical to their principles? No, because such a thing is OBVIOUSLY trolling. But coming onto a conservative website and berating conservatives for not voting for their antithetical nonconservative is somehow acceptable. Bowlsheet. It’s trolling.
More assumptions, eh, Ann Archy?
Well, thus far the best source I've found that at least provides indicators as to how many Evangelicals voted is Pew Forum's exit polls: How the Faithful Voted: 2012 Preliminary Analysis
Per Pew Forum's exit polls, were white Evangelicals a greater part of the 2012 voting block vs. 2008 and 2004? Or less?
Answer? Well, I just crunched the rough #s based upon Pew Forum's exit polls...and more -- not less -- white Evangelicals voted in 2012...than either in 2008 or 2004.
It looks like almost 31 million white Evangelicals voted in 2012; compared to about 30 million in 2008, and compared to about 26 & 1/4 million in 2004.
How did white Evangelicals compare to other voter segments...in staying home or not?
Answer: They were 24% of the voting block in 2012; 23% in 2008; 21% in 2004.
Which religious voter groups turned out significantly less in 2012? (a) OTHER white Protestants -- not Evangelicals; (b) white Catholics
Per Pew Forum white Protestants dropped from 42% of the pie in 2008 to 39% in 2012...keep in mind, tho, that the mainline denominations are "aging" & unless a Dem "resurrects" a dead voter, they don't vote from the grave...
Still, 42% of about 132,654 (2008) vs. 39% of about 128 million is a drop-off of over 4 million voters!
Also, white Catholics dropped from 19% in 2008 to 18% in 2012...Because the voter pool was smaller in 2012, that's about 2 million LESS white Catholics turning out...(I estimate a drop from just over 25 million to just over 23 million)...obviously some of them died and weren't replaced by younger Catholic voters.
The electable alternative to Obama was Romney. Comparing Romney to the KKK is ridiculous.
IIRC, even the founder of this site, late in the season, said he would vote for Romney to just get rid of Obama.
Evangelicals who ignored Billy Grahams thinly veiled plea to vote for Romney ought to be ashamed.
No deary extreme shame is on evangelicals and Christians who voted for a man who is the royalty of the SLC LDS
Are you here to pound down christians in the name of the GOP, because some of them didn’t vote for your GOP-elitist snob liberal? FR is not a GOP website. It IS an evangelical, Pro-God website. That means what you’re doing is trolling. That ain’t conservative.
Those people who chose not to vote for your POS candidate had a right to do so, and they are more conservative than you. FR is a conservative website, not a republican website, so you should not be doing that. Would you expect Paulbots to vote against Ron Paul? Or would you go onto a Goodebot website and expect them to vote against Goode? That would be OBVIOUS trolling. Then why do you come onto a conservative website and expect them to vote against their conservative principles? It is OBVIOUS trolling.
...you PURE Evangelicals who won't vote for a Mormon or a Catholic helped to DESTROY this country.
Well, guess what...at least three FREEPERs posted threads re: Mark Levin's radio content...see this one, for example: Mark Levin Gives "Unvarnished Truth" On Romney Loss
Now what did Levin have to say about Republicans like Ann Archy:
Levin: Now I hear we're called 'purists.' Conservatives are called purists. The very people who keep nominating moderates, now call us purists the way the left calls us purists. Yeah, things like liberty, and property rights, individual sovereignty, and the Constitution, and capitalism. We're purists now. And we have to hear this crap from conservatives, or pseudo-conservatives, Republicans.
Levin calls accusations like yours as "crap"...and that these comments are issued by "pseudoconservatives" like you!!!
Well, Mormons and Evangelicals had one thing in common per the Pew Forum exit polls...
And that is about 1 in 5 Mormons, and 1 in 5 white Evangelicals, voted for Obama.
(%-wise, there was actually more support for Romney by Evangelicals than Mormons! ... by 1%)
So...are we going to hear any lambasting of Obama-supporting Lds on this thread???
I’m willing to lambast anybody that voted for Obama. and I’m an evangelical.
Stupid people belong to every race and religion.
Obama-supporting LDS are idiots. I’m often curious when we see these polls of alleged Christians, particularly from PEW which has a radical agenda. Are the CINOs or do they really practice their religion?
(Hey, if I recall, even Bush got 22% of the gay & lesbian vote in one of the elections...there just seems to be that 80-20 rule where 20% will buck whatever their “peer group culture” is clamoring for)
So you’re the deciding vote between Diocletian and Romney to rule your country. Who do you choose?
Rule: Voting for someone else, not voting or voting for neither gives you Diocletian by default.
Hint: this is a test of discernment.
Well, let's see...$millionaires like Mitt have been giving $millions to the Mormon church to slander the worldwide Christian church as Satanic, false, dead, abominable, corrupt, not joinable, apostate, etc.
And these aren't just -- as Mr Rogers implied -- sermons from the 16th & 17th centuries...
These are Lds "scriptures" -- not opinions from the pulpit...being translated in hundreds of languages around the world.
And many of these aren't generic comments about "heretics" -- but are specific in targeting Christian sects.
It's also in current Lds curricula, media & online content.
So, the Lds church has already been attacking us Christians in $millions of ways for quite some time...It's been good "preparation" for additional persecution.
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Sample of what Mitt's $millions have been paying for in reprinting Lds "scriptures":
Snapshot of Joseph Smith’s Slanderous Invectives vs. Christian Sects |
Mormon Source[Note: Most of these are Mormon ‘scriptures'. In fact, First three rows below are Lds 'scripture' & therefore cannot be rug-swept any more than a Jew might try to take three commandments off of the very tablets of stone Moses brought down from the mountain] |
| “...which of all the sects was right… must join NONE of them, for they were ALL WRONG… those professors were ALL CORRUPT…” | Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price |
| ...“which of all the sects was right…ALL their CREEDS were an ABOMINATION in his sight…they teach for doctrines the commandments of MEN…” | Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price |
| Mormon church the only ‘Christ-sanctioned’ church on earth: “…the foundation of this [Mormon] church…the ONLY true and living church on the face of the whole earth” [Obvious ‘scorched earth’ implication: All other churches are false and dead] | Lds “scripture” Doctrines & Covenants 1:30 |
| Direct question asked of Joseph Smith: 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?" Answer from Lds "prophet" Joseph Smith: 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." | Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119 [Not “scripture” – but still publicly spoken by the Mormon ‘living prophet’ and published by a later Mormon ‘living prophet,’ Joseph Fielding Smith – via a publisher owned by the Mormon church – Deseret News Press, 1938] |
| “In 1952…the first official proselyting plan was sent to missionaries throughout the world…It included seven missionary discussions that emphasized…[four topics, one of them being]…THE APOSTASY and Restoration…” [This makes it 60 years that Mormon church missionaries, now numbering 55,000, have formally emphasized in its training & door to door saturation a priority in bashing the worldwide Christian church as “apostates” (100% AWOL)] | Our Heritage: A Brief History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints p. 116, 1996 |
wrong.
I gathered that since you were up to Daniel chapter 4; then chapter 3 would have been fresh in your mind.
I haven't checked a lot of translations, so the phrase 'but if not' could be slightly different in some of them and studying would not have necessarily picked it up.
Sorry about the judging thing.There's been so much of it in this thread that some of it has rubbed off on me I guess.
I’m willing to lambast anybody that voted for Obama. and I’m an evangelical.
***So you’re here to pound down other christians in the name of the GOP, because some of them didn’t vote for your GOP-elitist snob liberal? FR is not a GOP website. It IS an evangelical, Pro-God website. That means what you’re doing is trolling. That ain’t conservative.
Those people who chose not to vote for your POS candidate had a right to do so, and they are more conservative than you. FR is a conservative website, not a republican website, so you should not be doing that. Would you expect Paulbots to vote against Ron Paul? Or would you go onto a Goodebot website and expect them to vote against Goode? That would be OBVIOUS trolling. Then why do you come onto a conservative website and expect them to vote against their conservative principles? It is OBVIOUS trolling. Calling them stupid is flamebaiting... and trolling. If you wanna slam conservatives for voting against your GOP statist, go to GOP.com. Then it wouldn’t be trolling.
Not relevant; since MORMONism makes the claim of being the copyright holder of the Restored Gospel® it should NEVER have proclaimed the things it did.
Excellent job of parsing the differences.
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