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Romney Loss - Evangelicals "Again" Stayed Home
IFB ^ | 11/7/12

Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

Many of us could not imagine that Romney could lose this election, especially after four years of Obama’s radical Marxism and its social and fiscal consequences that America will NEVER recover from. All the hype and all the Romney rallies; it indeed looked like a sure victory for Romney except for one equation, the Evangelical vote. We here at the IFB have talked back and forth among ourselves since the RNC convention and with others also in the know; that if the Evangelical vote did not show up on Nov. 6th the jig would be up and Romney would lose big… and indeed he has.

Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way.

Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way. The Evangelical vote consists of the TRUE social and moral conservatives of the party (i.e., the Right). Romney and the GOP also gave very little time to the Tea Party who is the heart of the grass root movement and the engine of the Party! The viewer ratings for the 2012 RNC convention were way down, some 40% and many of us- including myself - did not watch one lick of it. Why should we have? We knew what we were getting and many of us felt “diss’d” being left out as we were. That in its self should have set off warning bells to the RNC but in all honesty many of us who are Evangelicals were still going to vote for Romney holding our nose. It is our duty as Believers and an Americans to be salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and even though Romney was who he was; he was the better choice still and the lesser of the two evils for our nation. We were not going to trust in a Romney win but that a Romney win would slow down the final deterioration of our nation.

Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth and many have NOT forgotten it. Evangelicals felt betrayed and many did not vote for McCain in 2008 which gave Marxist Obama the victory. When you add the convention snub of Romney and the GOP that was the straw that broke the elephants back.

Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth.

Now we come to today, the day after the election and we once more again see that the Evangelical vote has stayed home; and in doing so have given Obama another four years to finish the job of transforming our nation and fundamentally changing our culture and way of life which includes the elimination of sound biblical Christianity. I know I am going to get a ton of hate mail for this statement, but SHAME ON YOU for sitting home and not choosing to be light and exercising your God given right to vote (Matt. 5:13-16)! I know all sides of this argument and there is still absolutely NO excuse (Matt. 5:13-16). Your self righteous pride, biblical ignorance and foolishness has open wide the door now for Christian persecution in our nation and the end of the freedoms we have for the furtherance of the Gospel. My friends, indeed the Day of the Lord is at hand, but WOE to any who seek to bring it about who call on the Name of Jesus Christ by being idol and slothful.This is NOT a sanctification matter and God will hold you accountable for hiding your light and voice.

In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us.

In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us. I think of Samuel when all of Israel wanted a king and not the Lord (1 Sam. 8). It broke his heart and rightly so! He knew what was coming. Thus America in this election has said quite loudly that we DO NOT want the God given freedom to exercise what our Founding Fathers envisioned, which was based on the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God. In doing so we have REJECTED the Judeo/ Christian values and ideals which once made this country great. We have now as a nation fully taken on the mantle of Lawlessness and the spirit of Anti Christ as our nation’s ideology and culture.

Indeed, we as Evangelicals will now see what we must surely endure under lawless administration of Barack H. Obama and many Evangelicasl will be sifted and found wanting. That there... you can take to the bank!

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!


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To: Opinionated Blowhard

RINO File.


751 posted on 11/08/2012 8:44:39 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: RJS1950
Who are you to tell me, or anyone that your set of beliefs about God, Christ, the gospels, is the only true way to believe.

That is what true spiritual nobility is all about.

Now, why does the Bible say that the Bereans were more "noble" than the Thessalonians?

11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. (Acts 17:11)

You see, the Bereans didn't take Paul only at his word; they searched the "scriptures" -- the Old Testament for them -- to see if it reinforced/matched his teachings. They tested any new revelations by existing ones.

Now why do we know that truth exists as proclaimed by the church universal? Because ...the church of the living God, [is] the pillar and foundation of the truth. (Apostle Paul, 1 Timothy 3:15)

We know God speaks thru the church, even proclaiming truth to the forces of darkness who left heaven: His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Ephesians 3:10-11)

I recall that some passage admonishes us that no man knows the mind of God and I certainly don’t believe that God talks directly to any fallable man, regardless of their piety.

Well, you have cited a passage that does stress that only the Holy Spirit knows the divine Mind...

...But the Bible doesn't stop there, because it then says that same Holy Spirit indwells His body-and-blood church:

...as it is written: “What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived”— the things God has prepared for those who love him— 10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Corinthians 2:9-16)

752 posted on 11/08/2012 8:51:02 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: Colofornian
But ya need to understand that 99.999% of intercommunication 'tween varied denominational Christians that I've seen has no references to judgment & hell-fire, as if we could predict who would wind up there, anyway.

Well...




John 3:16-18 (NIV)

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.



Believe it or don't - your choice.

753 posted on 11/09/2012 3:11:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
Which is more 'loving' -- to watch people stumble toward cliffs, or to warn?

The evidence seems to indicate that more peopled would rather be praised into Hell; than be rebuked into Heaven.

754 posted on 11/09/2012 3:13:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
(Yer {big}s fell off....)




“What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation.... God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.”

755 posted on 11/09/2012 3:15:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
You see, the Bereans didn't take Paul only at his word; they searched the "scriptures" -- the Old Testament for them -- to see if it reinforced/matched his teachings.

But why do some CONSERVATIVEs on FR go all MEGO on us when SCRIPTURE is posted? Dismissing it with an imperial wave of the hand?

756 posted on 11/09/2012 3:18:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Obama will rule the nation called USA.... God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the FR 'conservatives' rage.

 


Jeremiah. 18:7-10

“If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.”

 

Psalm 22:27-28

 “All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him, 28 for dominion belongs to the LORD and he rules over the nations.”

 

Daniel 2:20-21

 “...“Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever; wisdom and power are his. 21 He changes times and seasons; he sets up kings and deposes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.”

 


 


757 posted on 11/09/2012 3:27:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

God has decreed it...

Please, folks; don’t get mad at me; for I am just the messenger.

I report: you decide.


758 posted on 11/09/2012 3:28:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kevmo
And you're an idiot.

Read what I said. I did not lambast anyone for not voting for Romney. I had to hold my nose to do so myself. I lambasted them for voting for Obama. Nobody that voted for Obama is a conservative, regardless of what they may think. Unless they, too, are an idiot.

Further, I'm not a Republican at all. I'm an independent conservative with libertarian (little ‘l’) leanings. I vote Republican as the lesser of 2 evils.

Christians make mistakes, too. But what's your excuse, and why are you so hate filled this morning?

759 posted on 11/09/2012 5:42:08 AM PST by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: chesley; Kevmo
I did not lambast anyone for not voting for Romney.
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. I lambasted them for voting for Obama.

I think you may have gotten caught up in the stormsurge of those posting here that are claiming that to NOT vote for ROMENY is the same as voting for Obama.

760 posted on 11/09/2012 6:20:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
But why do some CONSERVATIVEs on FR go all MEGO on us when SCRIPTURE is posted? Dismissing it with an imperial wave of the hand?

Good Q...and well-framed.

I know it's a rhetorical Q, but I'll add my thoughts.

I can't speak to specific motivations of any given FReeper; but generically I think people are relativistic & don't want the Bible as their applicable Guide in life.

To wave it off as authoritative to their life, they need to assume self-authority over it.

761 posted on 11/09/2012 6:25:28 AM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: Elsie
Quite possibly. And I have to admit that I think that choice is erroneous.

However, I can respect the person who just cannot bring themsleves to vote for Romney as a matter of principle, or even theology. I think that it did enable an Obama victory, but still it is a legitimate, principled choice.

But, to actually vote for Obama is a totally different matter. Only pig ignorance or evil intentions could justify such.

If you are an “evangelical” and voted for Obama, and really are a Christian, then I would suggest studying the Scriptures a little more closely, and add a good dose of prayer.

As for the Mormons, while I know about as much as I care to about their theology, I don't know enough to determine if a vote for Obama is consistent with it. Based on my observations of the few that I know personally, I tend to doubt it. But that's just an opinion.

762 posted on 11/09/2012 6:42:47 AM PST by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: Kevmo
Well, then, dumb nut! (isn't name-calling mean???) Although I agree 1000% with the statements which have made your head explode (just like a liberal's), I cannot take credit for them.

Please make certain you respond to the correct post next time. Also, search for help in making your posts easier to read and understand, and learn how to use italics, when you wish to quote another post, paragraphs, and even bold!

It's fun! And easy, too! if you have a brain.

763 posted on 11/09/2012 7:39:12 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: Elsie; chesley

I think you may have gotten caught up in the stormsurge of those posting here that are claiming that to NOT vote for ROMENY is the same as voting for Obama.
***Yes, he did. Sorry about that, Chesley.


764 posted on 11/09/2012 8:00:15 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: 1010RD
Thanks for the ping.

Of course voting does, and should, take discernment. We can't always be right.

For instance, in the election just past, the office of probate judge was up for grabs. The incumbent was a long-time Democrat, who actually is a fine man and a good probate judge. The opponent, a Dem turned Republican, is also a fine man, as near as I can tell.

My wife wanted me to vote for the Dem, although she was voting R on every other position. Namely because he was getting involved in a terrible situation at her (state) place of employment, and was working to make things better.

I thought long and hard about the choice. In the end, I could not vote for the Democrat. They need to be turned out at every opportunity, IMO.

Is this the right choice? Should we vote the Party or the Man? What about the right man in the wrong party? I suspect that it often depends of the circumstances and the times. In these times my thinking is to leave them no base of power.

But it was a tough choice.

765 posted on 11/09/2012 8:02:10 AM PST by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: EnquiringMind

So, here you are calling conservatives mean names, trolling, and now nitpicking about italics & bolding. I guess you weren’t here on FR when we had to deal with people leaving their italics on, and for several posts afterward everyone else’s stuff was in italics. Fun! Easy! Yeah, right. When there’s an italics lock key on my keyboard I’ll use it. Or even when I can simply copy & paste from MSWord and have it survive. So are you done trolling? Are you done banging on conservatives on this conservative website? Maybe you’d have more fun going to unicorn.com and banging on people who believe in unicorns. You know what that is called? TROLLING.


766 posted on 11/09/2012 8:05:33 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: reaganaut

Does that make me a heathen if I rage against it?


767 posted on 11/09/2012 8:11:36 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Yes, but you would be a heathen in their eyes anyway. That is how they view non-LDS.


768 posted on 11/09/2012 8:23:23 AM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

We told you guys a wet RINO Mormon who gave the Tea Party a lukewarm brushoff would lose and now you are surprised??


769 posted on 11/09/2012 8:31:41 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: Kevmo

Apology accepted :)

I apologize, too. I may have gooten a little personal, but I hadn’t had my cup of coffee, yet.


770 posted on 11/09/2012 8:58:29 AM PST by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: Mr Rogers; reaganaut

I witnessed to Mormon FRIENDS.
__________________________________________

Reaganaut can tell you what your so called “Mormon FRIENDS” thought of you...


771 posted on 11/09/2012 9:49:35 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; reaganaut

“Reaganaut can tell you what your so called “Mormon FRIENDS” thought of you...”

Really? He knew my friends? Next you’ll be telling me that no Catholic uses a condom because their religion rejects using birth control.

I know what the Mormon church teaches. I also knew my friends. Please don’t let your rabid hatred control you. You are discussing something you have no knowledge of.


772 posted on 11/09/2012 9:53:25 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: DaxtonBrown

I’m not surprised by the election because I’m surrounded by liberals. They love obama & are thrilled by his re-election. Now I can stop arguing with them & have a calm Thanksgiving.


773 posted on 11/09/2012 10:11:47 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Colofornian

after the 2008 elections we were called bigots etc and told if we had voted fort Willard the Mormon and he had won the nomination for the GOP, he would have beaten Obama...

all we had needed to beat Obama was to have had Willard as our candidate..

It was all our fault...

OK lets look at what we know now...

2008 McCain beat Willard but couldnt beat Obama who was very popular and riding high...

2012 Willard bought himself the nomination but couldnt beat a much weakened and very unpopular Obama ...a shoo in for just about any Republican..

We HAD Willard for our candidate BUT HE DIDNT WIN...

End of story...

Inmans vindicated..


774 posted on 11/09/2012 10:18:30 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Mr Rogers; Tennessee Nana; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; SZonian; SENTINEL; P-Marlowe

While I may not know your friends, I DO know (from personal experience and years of being in ministry to them) as do other exmo’s here know how the LDS treat gentiles (all non mormons) and what they say to their faces IS NOT what they really think about them or what they say to each other about the gentiles (you).

Mormons put on this nice face, friendly, pleasant, etc to outsiders (even close friends) ONLY because it makes the LDS church ‘look good’ and makes them more likely to ‘investigate’ (consider converting) the LDS church. Their goal in being nice is ONLY to convert you to Mormonism, and even if you say you will never do it, they don’t give up hope.

What they say to themselves and each other about non-Mormons, especially those ‘stupid Evangelicals’ is that they feel sorry for you, how stupid you are, how they are right and you are wrong and how you would be happier if you just converted to ‘the one true church’. If you are nice about your ‘witness’ to them, they see you as weak and not really believing your faith and see you as MORE of a target.

They constantly (to each other) bash Christians and Christian doctrine and consider them stupid and morally lazy.

I’ve pinged some other ex-mormons who will tell you they saw Christians the same way when they were LDS.

In short, your Mormon friends are lying to you in hopes of making the LDS church look good and getting you to convert.


775 posted on 11/09/2012 10:24:43 AM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: DaxtonBrown

I know, amazing isn’t it. We prophesied this and now they are stoning the prophets.

Sigh.


776 posted on 11/09/2012 10:25:46 AM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Actually, I don’t think obama was ever unpopular. I continually encounter people who support him. Plus, I read comments on Facebook from relatives who like him. Most people wanted him, & that’s why he’s president.


777 posted on 11/09/2012 10:31:41 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: reaganaut; Mr Rogers
Breakaway Salt Lake sect mornons are just as controlled as the FLDS folks you see on TV, only in a different costume.

They are not allowed to have facial hair, they are told how to dress, how to act, what to do every single night of the week, etc. They are told to seek out and devour people like you.

There are two concepts you must keep in mind when dealing with members of this cult:

1. Think 'Stepford Wives', like in the movie. Completely brainwashed anc controlled....Putting forth a deceptive image for the cult to help recruit.

2. AMWAY....Most multi-level marketing campaigns start and are run out of Utah, and for a good reason, they are all based on the same organizational method as the cult. They are on your porch because they want you in their "downline" either as productive recruiters yourselves or as their eternal slaves.

I am a saved LDS Sect "high Priest", same as Romney.

778 posted on 11/09/2012 10:39:24 AM PST by SENTINEL (Election 2012....One more false prophecy by FLDS/LDS "prophet" Joseph Smith)
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To: SENTINEL
2. AMWAY...

Shhh! Don't tell Ada, Michigan that their Amway corporate headquarters is fake, and that the REAL one is in Utah!

Amway.com "Contact Us" page

779 posted on 11/09/2012 10:44:25 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: SENTINEL; reaganaut

A lot of people think Obama’s doing a great job, & it’s all Bush’s fault. Plus, they believe everything the media says.

My local paper endorsed obama.

Young people relate to obama. They’ve been brainwashed by the media & Hollywood.

My nephew & wife in LA think they’re going to get obamacare for free. They all want the Freebies, & they think obama is handing them out.

Obama was goin to win against any Republican.


780 posted on 11/09/2012 11:01:46 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: TChris
I'll just give you that point, I did say headquarterd in Utah and listed AMWAY specifically.

You do know as well as I do that AMWAY is led by and proliferates among LDS members, along with Maleleuka, Pampered Chef, the candle one, the scentsy one, the basket one, the makeup one etc etc etc.

This is so common in Utah the writers of "Big Love" even wrote it into one season with Margie bankrupting her neighbor with "Goji Juice."

781 posted on 11/09/2012 11:12:55 AM PST by SENTINEL (Election 2012....One more false prophecy by FLDS/LDS "prophet" Joseph Smith)
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To: chesley
As for the Mormons, while I know about as much as I care to about their theology, I don't know enough to determine if a vote for Obama is consistent with it.

It evidently is for Harry Reid.

He's been quoted as saying that his MORMONism is what made him a Democrat.

I've not seen any exigesis (SP?) for his claim; so I'll have to assume that HE has found something in MORMONism to be the way he is.

782 posted on 11/09/2012 11:34:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SENTINEL
You do know as well as I do that AMWAY is led by and proliferates among LDS members...

Richard DeVos of Grand Rapids, MI, co-founder of Amway, Religion: Christian Reformed Church

Jay VanAndel of Grand Rapids, MI, co-founder of Amway, Religion: Christian Reformed Church

Doug DeVos of Grand Rapids, MI, co-CEO of Alticor (was Amway), Religion: Protestant

Steve Van Andel of Grand Rapids, MI, co-CEO of Alticor (was Amway), Religion: Roman Catholic

Since these things are easily researched, perhaps you should do more homework.

I realize that Wikipedia is not the last word in accuracy, but they are sincerely trying to gain ground on "Big Love" for credibility. Maybe within a few years, they'll have a crack team of researchers to compete with "Big Love" and we can start to place more trust the information we find there.

783 posted on 11/09/2012 11:50:40 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: SENTINEL

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

November 8, 2012

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!
 
I must apologize and ask for forgiveness from you all.
 
As you know, we at Headquarters NEVER tell you pew warmers how to vote. It says so right in our press releases. Anyway, we were ALL thrilled to the max when there were two – TWO! – MORMONs being touted in the primaries: Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman.
 
Talk in our upper chambers high above SLC was how our gods were favoring us with these men; who had prepared their entire lives for an opportunity to save this Nation; which so badly needs guidance: OUR guidance even!  So naturally, I and the other twelve analyzed and discussed the situation.
 
Consensus was that the voters should listen to the inner urging and vote for the one they wanted; but that seemed to be leaving WAY too much to chance.
 
I decided, that since I am the ONLY man on earth that can hear GOD’s voice, that I would pray for wisdom and clarity in the matter.
 
I hadn’t used the fleece in a while, so I questioned GOD with a test. A paper, with Romney on one side and Huntsman on the other was to be placed by the air conditioning vent high above my desk in the sumptuous office the Full Tithers have provided.
 
When the air would kick in later in the evening, while I was home, the paper would be blown down and whomever GOD wanted would then be visible on the upper surface.
As you can probably guess, when I came in the next day, the paper had landed on my desk, with Mitt’s name on top.
 
 
Last night, I was staying late, praying to GOD about how it was even possible that Mitt lost, when the janitorial cleaning crew came in. Being surprised to find me here, they apologized for interrupting me. I said to them, “It mattereth not, as I was about to leave anyway.”
 
As I was going out the door, the foreman of the crew just happened to mention that my office is ALWAYS so neat and tiny, never anything out of place, that they barely have to do anything to tidy up. Then one of the sweepers said, “Except that time in the spring when we came in to clean and found a paper with Huntman’s name on the floor by your desk. We put it back on your desk and left.
 
 
 
Tommy M.
 
PS Keep praying that Huntsman will add an “H” to his name. Jon looks so dang effeminate!
 
 
Onward to 2016!!!

784 posted on 11/09/2012 12:07:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; SENTINEL

The masses are taught not to think for themselves but to just do what ‘feels’ right. The amount of illogical thinking is appalling.

And those who DO think for themselves are often attacked. Sad reality of today.


785 posted on 11/09/2012 12:08:03 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: SENTINEL
The stock I bought in green Jello® on Nov 6th for $23.79 a share has fallen to $1.73 today.


DAMN you Obama voters!

786 posted on 11/09/2012 12:10:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut; Tennessee Nana; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; SZonian; SENTINEL; P-Marlowe

“In short, your Mormon friends are lying to you in hopes of making the LDS church look good and getting you to convert.”

Sorry. Some of them I’ve known over a 30 year period. Many of the Mormons I knew never made ANY attempt to convert me. They simply were not that religious.

Your accusation has been made against Baptists who hoped and prayed for the conversion of Jews and Mormons and others. It isn’t true then, either.

I’ve also known converts out of Mormonism who have had divided families most of their lives. It isn’t true then, either. Life simply isn’t the way you portray it.


787 posted on 11/09/2012 12:11:04 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: TChris

You found some co- folks.

Didja leave any out?


788 posted on 11/09/2012 12:12:28 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
And those who DO think for themselves are often attacked.

NOOO!!!


 



 
"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the 'prophets, seers, and revelators' of the Church is cultivating the spirit of apostacy..."
(Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)
 
 
 
Reinforced here......
 

MP3 File

This is the audio clip of Dallin H. Oaks, current Mormon Apostle leader, from the PBS documentary, "The Mormons", declaring unequivocally:

"IT'S WRONG TO CRITICIZE LEADERS OF THE (MORMON) CHURCH, EVEN IF THE CRITICISM IS TRUE."
 

 
Don't criticize?

 
 
 
 
And here:
 

Temple Recommend Questions:

 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

 5 Do you live the law of chastity?

 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

     Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

     Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?
 
 
 
 


Oh, they can say that their leaders were NOT speaking for GOD when they said    WHATEVER    but that's NOT the same as criticizing!


 
( Remember fellow Christians:  the Mormon's criticize US because they've been taught that they CAN'T criticize ANY of their leaders; so they HAVE to vent somehow! )



789 posted on 11/09/2012 12:16:28 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Didja leave any out?

Certainly, by whatever your definition of "leadership" is, I must have.

However, since most people inexplicably equate the term "leadership" with "Chief Executive Officer" when discussing a corporation, I thought it best not to rock the boat by declaring some mid-level Amway participant living in Orem, UT to be the Alticor/Amway corporate "leadership." Besides, the DeVos family called from Michigan and were quite insistant that I not do that.

790 posted on 11/09/2012 12:19:47 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: reaganaut

My local newspaper, The Express-Times, endorsed obama. Glad we’re not subscribers anymore...

‘EDITORIAL: Re-elect President Obama’

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/10/editorial_re-elect_president_o.html


791 posted on 11/09/2012 12:22:15 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Elsie
since I am the ONLY man on earth that can hear GOD’s voice


792 posted on 11/09/2012 12:26:50 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie

green jello
______________________________________

I went to bed that night wondering what Willard would do with 2012 gallons of Green Jello he and the family had to celebrate with while they watched the fireworks ...

They did justice to the funeral potatoes though...


793 posted on 11/09/2012 12:34:27 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Mr Rogers
Life simply isn’t the way you portray it.

Neither is death...

http://carm.org/book-abraham-papyri-and-joseph-smith

794 posted on 11/09/2012 2:29:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I suspect I know more about Mormonism than you do. It wouldn’t be hard, since you seem to believe I was in danger of having the Mormon Church hire an assassin to kill me when I lived in Utah. This isn’t 1850.


795 posted on 11/09/2012 2:39:24 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Mr Rogers
I suspect I know more about Mormonism than you do.

I suspect you might be right.

But I KNOW that I post more of it's scripture, teaching and history than you do.

796 posted on 11/09/2012 2:44:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mr Rogers
It wouldn’t be hard, since you seem to believe I was in danger of having the Mormon Church hire an assassin to kill me when I lived in Utah.

Oh; I'm sure they could find a volunteer to do it.

797 posted on 11/09/2012 2:45:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

“But I KNOW that I post more of it’s scripture, teaching and history than you do. “

Yes, and you seem to think this has relevance for a Presidential candidate and that Obama is therefor a better person to have in office. Thus you post this on a political thread rather than in the religious forum.

Maybe you think this does some good. I doubt it does, but I’m already convinced Mormonism is false. I had these sorts of debates in high school in the 70s before I ever moved to Utah. I’ve read thousands of pages of material.

So what is the point in lecturing me, or posting a link to CARM?

“Oh; I’m sure they could find a volunteer to do it.”

Well, they didn’t in the 7 years I lived there, and failed again when I visited in October...


798 posted on 11/09/2012 3:22:30 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: svcw
No. You made the claim Christians are to be poor - prove it

No, you said trying to become wealthy is a biblical principle now YOU prove that.

799 posted on 11/09/2012 3:44:52 PM PST by DungeonMaster (If a man will not work, then neither shall he eat.)
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To: PapaBear3625

We are not electing a Christian king. At the same time I will not be party to advancing and anti-christian ideology.


800 posted on 11/09/2012 5:03:15 PM PST by pennyfarmer (Romney is a cresent wrench when you need a hammer. Sure it might work, but do you want to chance it?)
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