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Romney Loss - Evangelicals "Again" Stayed Home
IFB ^ | 11/7/12

Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

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To: Dr. Scarpetta; reaganaut
They are thrilled with Obama's victory and can't wait for gay marriage, obamacare and taxpayer funded abortions.

"Can't wait?" What planet are you living on?

What? Do you think that same-sex "marriage" doesn't already exist in given states in this country & certain countries around the world?

Or that Obamacare hasn't already been imposed?

Or that taxpayer-funded abortions -- including taxpayer-funded abortions via RomneyCare -- hasn't been a reality for quite some time?

351 posted on 11/07/2012 12:26:36 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: Colofornian

You fit right in with all the Romney haters in California, New York, and PA. You’re the same as democrats I see on a daily basis who take pride in being morally superior.


352 posted on 11/07/2012 12:38:50 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; ...
I reiterate yet again, I did not support or vote for Romney in the primary. People that did are responsible for him being the nominee, and people who sat out the general election are responsible for 0 being the president.

What a silly child you are, n00b!

You think you can sign up on FR on 9/12/2012 and proceed to jump in and badmouth veteran FReepers who have been here for several years and we are supposed to consider your juvenile opinions to be worthwhile and bow to your superiority.

Your cutsey screen name is laughable and we see you as either a DU transplant or a pimply-faced teen posting from mommie's basement.

Invective and profanity do nothing towards painting you as an informed and reasoning poster to be taken seriously. You are to be waved off as one would wave off a bothersome fly!

Buzz off, fly!

353 posted on 11/07/2012 12:51:11 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (We told you Mitt wouldn't win.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; TheOldLady; greyfoxx39
Many evangelicals seemed content to let it be obama. So you F' off.

noob, perhaps kitty bait

354 posted on 11/07/2012 12:58:13 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; 50mm; darkwing104

IBTZ to the noob.


355 posted on 11/07/2012 1:04:08 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: svcw

I hope you Mormon bashers like your president.

I would take a Mormon over a Muslim any day.


356 posted on 11/07/2012 1:04:50 PM PST by Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; svcw; Colofornian; greyfoxx39; All
I did not support or vote for Romney in the primary. People that did are responsible for him being the nominee ...

... in your fantasy world. In Realville, a lot of strategy, under-handed hardball, a little bit of unethical politicking and a lot of negative campaigning, are responsible for him being the nominee. By the time the primaries came to a whole helluva lot of Republicans, Ron Paul and Romney were the only ones left. A flawed and manipulted SYSTEM, not Republican primary voters, are responsible for Romney being the nominee.

... and people who sat out the general election are responsible for 0 being the president.

In your fantasy world, yes. In Realville, Zero is president because of a combination of blatant vote fraud by Democrats, and the fact that Americans had only two liberals to choose from, and apparently, a lot of Americans figured it just wasn't worth going to the polls to determine whether America got Coke or Pepsi.

But you go on calling those who disagree with you blind fools if it makes you feel good. You're only deceiving yourself, not the rest of us.

357 posted on 11/07/2012 1:08:30 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny
If it makes me feel good? Is there anything left to feel good about? I'd say not. All any of us can do is withdraw, Go Galt, and take care of ourselves and our own.

There is a thread up, Boehner just said that increased revenue under "certain conditions" is acceptable. Didn't take long at all, did it.

This country is gone.

358 posted on 11/07/2012 1:13:11 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 10/07/12)
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To: beandog; svcw; reaganaut; MrsEmmaPeel; Dr. Scarpetta; Colofornian; Elsie; Zakeet; ...
That’s okay because I despise you

Why do you MittBots believe your personal opinion of us would be of the least bit of importance to us?

You all have your knickers in a twist because, as we have told you since 2007 he didn't have a chance in hell of winning against Obama.

The danger of mormonism is that its members see themselves as being "speshul" and superior and Mitt's persona just shouts that out. He DOES believe he is superior and for months posters of all kinds on FR have been remarking that the "likability factor" was missing in him, that he comes across as a used-car salesman.

That, more than anything else defeated his candidacy along with the continual pictures of his "perfect" wife and "perfect" family in front of their "perfect" mansions while half this country is losing jobs, losing homes, losing their retirement and bereft of any hope.

Mitt Romney has never in his life gotten a blister on his finger from hard work, never humped his butt in military basic training, and the oh-so-darling stories of his good deeds omitted the fact that most of those good deeds were done for fellow mormons.

He was the worst possible choice as a candidate against a man who has PROVEN with his appointments and laws that the minorities have become first and the whites have become last.

So take your "you are to blame" invective and direct it toward the stupid party who chose to force him down the throats of working Americans. It's not selling here, not today when FReepers are being forced to again taste the bitter dregs of defeat.

359 posted on 11/07/2012 1:18:30 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (We told you Mitt wouldn't win.)
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To: Wage Slave
don’t believe any of the reasons we are being fed. I believe Romney won the election. Votes were electronically transferred to Obama."""""........

I believe the same way, there is more to those machines than meets the eye. 3 punches for Obama, 1 for Romney, O up two now. All in the Swing States, how convenient.

Remember how the Left were complaining that Tagg Romney has something to do with the Voting Machines? That was to be able to lay blame when and if needed. Otherewise they had fully intended from the get go, right after the 2008 election to corupt those machines for yesterday.

They knew Acorn could no longer be used and they knew they also did not have to seem energetic. Add to that the slobbering MEDIA WHORES.

Their wheels are turning at this very moment on how to steal the next one as well.

360 posted on 11/07/2012 1:19:10 PM PST by annieokie
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To: greyfoxx39

Your superior attitude and Romney bashing is repulsive. Hope you enjoy 4 more years of obama. My sister says the same things you do, and she is a dem.


361 posted on 11/07/2012 1:34:01 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Colofornian

“So God tossed us a direct rival to him ....so that we could have a human political messiah who would ‘save us’”

Not looking for a saviour - I already have one - I’m just looking for a good CEO - the president of my company may be a pagan for all I know - his religeous affiliation is not really my concern right now - I just want a person in charge that knows how to run a damned business.

My company’s doing well (for now) - my country not so much....


362 posted on 11/07/2012 1:40:55 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: reaganaut

“I don’t trust anything a pastor tells me”

I may not agree with you in all cases but I do have a better understanding of your motives and actions. Frank Luntz was on Hannity today and his talk on what and how you say it is a jewel as it reviews the exit polls he took during the election. I think he is spot on and and the future is not as gloomy as I thought. We have the right message but the wrong way of approaching people, much like what I’ve been saying about abortion. If you get a chance listen to the replay if available. One thing I did take home was running Republicans from the rich country club is not helping us with people that agree with us. De Tocqueville was very perceptive. Live the Bible don’t hit people over the head with it is my motto.


363 posted on 11/07/2012 1:53:28 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: reaganaut

Okay, when the economy tanks again and you or a loved one loses their job I’m sure JC will give you one.


364 posted on 11/07/2012 2:01:55 PM PST by Fledermaus (2012: The year the Constitution died.)
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To: Psalm 73
Not looking for a saviour - I already have one - I’m just looking for a good CEO - the president of my company may be a pagan for all I know - his religeous affiliation is not really my concern right now - I just want a person in charge that knows how to run a damned business.

(Yeah, that's what we want as leaders of the free world...pagans praying for foreign gods in the types of crises a mere biz CEO would NEVER face!)

365 posted on 11/07/2012 2:07:21 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
You fit right in with all the Romney haters in California, New York, and PA. You’re the same as democrats I see on a daily basis who take pride in being morally superior.

FYI...being for or against homosexual "marriage" or taxpayer-funded abortions (I happen to be AGAINST both) doesn't make me "morally superior"...

Why? Well, I'm a taxpayer, ain't I? Do I withhold taxes because I pay for abortions? (Nope) Doesn't that make me as culpable as pro-aborts? (Yup)

The bible references this as "corporate guilt"

My post to you was to simply point out your ridiculous "can't wait" inclusion...as if NONE of these things were things the liberals had already ushered in...

You made it sound like we were suddenly falling into a moral abyss...one we've fallen into long ago.

366 posted on 11/07/2012 2:12:51 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Romney Loss - Evangelicals "Again" Stayed Home

I didn't!

I did not vote for Obama!

367 posted on 11/07/2012 2:26:48 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mom4melody
In my view, that is outright sin...

You may 'view' it anyway you want; but you'll be hard pressed to show any EVIDENCE that this is a sin.

368 posted on 11/07/2012 2:28:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EricT.
Sure, blame the Christians again.

Just wait!!

Revelation 20:4 (KJV)

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

369 posted on 11/07/2012 2:34:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39; metmom
You clearly don't get it. You're so busy chortling that you created a self-fulfilling prohecy, and so blinded by your hatred of mormons, that you still don't get it.

Maybe when your pastor is lead away in handcuffs for preaching the word from his own pulpit, or when 0-care is fully implemented, you'll get it.

370 posted on 11/07/2012 2:36:26 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 10/07/12)
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To: reaganaut
One other point, Romney would have done just as much to persecute Christians since he hates Evangelicals just as much (been there done that).


Like THIS???



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

371 posted on 11/07/2012 2:37:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
If this article is true, it was the Mormon hating that did us in.

Then those MORMONs should just QUIT that hating!

372 posted on 11/07/2012 2:38:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
If this article is true, it was the Mormon hating that did us in.

No; it's the FOOLS running the RNC that think they can advance a HERETIC and still get EVANGELICALS (who value HEAVEN just a bit more than USA) to throw their beliefs under the bus, that 'did us in'.

373 posted on 11/07/2012 2:40:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rocketmag
I was appalled

You may still be appaled after reading my reply here; but at least you'll be less ignorant.


 
Acts 17:18-19
 18.  A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
 19.  Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?
 
Acts 18:11
    So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
 
 
 
 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



374 posted on 11/07/2012 2:41:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut

Not me!

The lines were MUCH longer than I’ve ever seen before!


375 posted on 11/07/2012 2:42:37 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PapaBear3625

Please don’t read FR posters minds and PLEASE don’t remote read a pastor you’ve never even heard before.

Why are you so prejudiced?


376 posted on 11/07/2012 2:43:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Psalm 73
I’m an Evangelical and know the Bible inside and out - do you not think that God could use an unbeliever like Mitt Romney to do His work here?

HA ha!

Yet you moan that GOD somehow can't...

... use an unbeliever like Barak Obama to do His work here?

377 posted on 11/07/2012 2:45:02 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: WILLIALAL
Tell me this sad story 4 years from now when Obamacare is fully instituted, electricity and gas prices are higher, when the Supreme Court upholds gay marriage.

Sounds like YOU worship your wallet!

378 posted on 11/07/2012 2:46:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reg45
What Mormon values do you disagree with? Not theology, values?

HMMmm...

What Mormon theology points do you disagree with? Not values, but theology.

379 posted on 11/07/2012 2:48:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

LOL...you aren’t even making sense at all, now. Silly child.


380 posted on 11/07/2012 2:48:58 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (We told you Mitt wouldn't win.)
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To: Coldwater Creek
I’m asking God to take away any bitterness than I have regarding the Liberals and stay at home Evangelicals.

One thing you lack (That sure sounds familiar...)

Re-thinking the staement made earlier about finding a different church.

MORMONism IS a cult and the pastor was NOT wrong in pointing it out.

381 posted on 11/07/2012 2:52:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I haven’t seen any hard info on the turnout among evangelicals, particularly white ones.

I can say that evangelicals had better pray for good health for the conservatives on the Supreme Court for the next four years...

And I agree that extreme shame ought to be visited upon the evangelicals who did not vote for Romney yesterday.


382 posted on 11/07/2012 2:53:01 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: mom4melody

Sounds like you need a new pastor or a new church!


383 posted on 11/07/2012 2:54:02 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: RockyMtnMan
It’s America’s youth and their ignorance that won the election for Obama.

They are NOT ignorant!

They know EXACTLY what the Leftist schools have taught them;

the Leftist media has entertained them with,

and their lazy parents have failed to reinforce in them.

384 posted on 11/07/2012 2:55:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: arjay
AMEN! Stupidity is never a virtue.i

But apparently tossing ones religious beliefs under the bus in favor of a little expediency is all right with a LOT of FREEPERs!

385 posted on 11/07/2012 2:57:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

This whole thing is just a big joke, eh? Keep on laughing clown.


386 posted on 11/07/2012 2:57:48 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 10/07/12)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
The description of it as a cult is religious superstition and fear run amuck.

Nice way to try to re-definbe what a CULT is.

387 posted on 11/07/2012 2:57:48 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free

I suspect the voting machines too. Switching Romney votes to obama. It was reported in some places.


388 posted on 11/07/2012 3:00:40 PM PST by virgil
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To: Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
I think we all agree with Mormon values.

They sure seem to have a LOT of them!

I'll bet this is NOT the whole list; either!


The Rules

  1. Learn and obey all missionary rules.
  2. Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
  3. Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
  4. Don't debate or argue.
  5. Center your mind on your mission.
  6. Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
  7. Cut your hair regularly.
  8. Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
  9. Be neat and clean.
  10. Bathe frequently.
  11. Use deodorant.
  12. Polish your shoes.
  13. Iron your shirt and business suit.
  14. Arise at 6:30 A.M.
  15. Study for 2 hours every morning.
  16. Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
  17. Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
  18. Exercise regularly.
  19. Write in your journal regularly.
  20. Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
  21. Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
  22. Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
  23. Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
  24. Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
  25. Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
  26. Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
  27. End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
  28. Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
  29. Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
  30. Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
  31. Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
  32. Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
  33. Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
  34. Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
  35. Stay with your companion during all activities.
  36. Do not go on road trips.
  37. Do not leave your assigned area without permission
  38. Do not watch television.
  39. Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
  40. Do not listen to the radio.
  41. Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CD’s.
  42. Do not participate in musical groups.
  43. Do not participate in athletic teams.
  44. Do not sponsor athletic teams.
  45. Do not engage in contact sports.
  46. Do not engage in water sports.
  47. Do not engage in winter sports.
  48. Do not engage in motorcycling.
  49. Do not engage in horseback riding.
  50. Do not engage in mountain climbing.
  51. Do not embark on a private boat.
  52. Do not embark in a private airplane.
  53. Do not handle firearms.
  54. Do not handle explosives.
  55. Do not swim.
  56. Do not play full court basketball.
  57. Do not play basketball in leagues.
  58. Do not play basketball in tournaments.
  59. You may play half-court basketball.
  60. Never be alone.
  61. Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
  62. Be loyal to your companion.
  63. Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
  64. Pray with your companion every day.
  65. Study with your companion every day.
  66. Plan your work with your companion every day.
  67. Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
  68. Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
  69. Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
  70. Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
  71. Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
  72. Do not arise before your companion.
  73. Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
  74. Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
  75. Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
  76. Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
  77. Do not flirt.
  78. Do not date.
  79. Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
  80. Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
  81. Try to teach single investigators in a member’s home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
  82. Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
  83. Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
  84. Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
  85. Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
  86. Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
  87. Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
  88. Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
  89. Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
  90. Do not telephone parents
  91. Do not telephone relatives.
  92. Do not telephone friends.
  93. Do not telephone girlfriends.
  94. Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
  95. Take problems and questions to your mission president.
  96. Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
  97. Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
  98. Obey all mission rules.
  99. Obey the laws of the land.
  100. Do not get involved in politics.
  101. Do not get involved in commercial activities.
  102. Do not give any information about the area.
  103. Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
  104. Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
  105. Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
  106. Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
  107. Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
  108. Be courteous.
  109. Provide community service.
  110. Do not provide community service that isn’t approved by your mission president.
  111. Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
  112. Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidays—those are peek proselytizing times.
  113. Your mission president must approve your housing.
  114. Keep your housing unit clean.
  115. Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
  116. Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
  117. Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
  118. You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
  119. Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
  120. Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
  121. Maintain your health.
  122. Eat a healthy diet.
  123. Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
  124. Follow the approved exercise program.
  125. Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
  126. Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
  127. Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
  128. Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
  129. Be immunized.
  130. Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
  131. Budget your money carefully.
  132. Keep a record of what you spend.
  133. Do not spend more than your companion.
  134. Do not loan money.
  135. Do not borrow money.
  136. Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
  137. Pay your bills before leaving an area.
  138. Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
  139. Do not waste money on souvenirs.
  140. Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
  141. Be a frugal photographer.
  142. Do not accumulate excess baggage.
  143. Obey custom laws and regulations.
  144. Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
  145. Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
  146. Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
  147. Do not drive without a license.
  148. Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
  149. Do not drive members’ cars.
  150. Do not drive nonmembers’ cars.
  151. Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
  152. Use cars only on approved mission business.
  153. Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
  154. Be conscious of safety at all times.
  155. Drive defensively.
  156. Wear your seat belt.
  157. Pray for the Lord’s protection while driving.
  158. If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
  159. Do not tamper with the vehicle’s odometer.
  160. Know bicycle safety rules.
  161. Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
  162. Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
  163. Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
  164. Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
  165. Go directly to your new area when transferred.
  166. Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
  167. Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.

389 posted on 11/07/2012 3:02:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mr Rogers
He’s not a muslim & he would support Israel.

Wow!

Actually ADMITTING you're a religious bigot!

390 posted on 11/07/2012 3:03:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mom4melody

They said the same thing about electing John Kennedy — that Catholicism would become mainstream. It didn’t happen.


391 posted on 11/07/2012 3:04:32 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: jsanders2001
Them? Giant ants from the 50's?? You just might want to read that verse in context to see what them is.
392 posted on 11/07/2012 3:05:05 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Weren’t there a lot of evangelicals who were going to write in “Jesus Christ?”


393 posted on 11/07/2012 3:05:50 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: reaganaut
...I have NEVER even before this election heard an anti-Mormon sermon from either church EVER!

Likewise.

No sermons; but PLENTY of TEACHING over the years concerning FALSE DOCTRINE and FALSE Prophets.

394 posted on 11/07/2012 3:07:35 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
Mormons and muslims are no different in the eyes of God - both are lost and in need of Jesus.

Then WHY are they SO different in the eyes of some FREEPERS?


“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.




395 posted on 11/07/2012 3:09:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Afronaut
BINGO!!
396 posted on 11/07/2012 3:10:16 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Get over it....he lost and there's nothing you can gain by ranting at everyone here except look more and more foolish. Hissy fits are useless.

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397 posted on 11/07/2012 3:10:20 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (We told you Mitt wouldn't win.)
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To: Psalm 73
Because our time is running out - we will not make it to 2016 - meanwhile babies will continue to be slaughtered. ‹br>

Boo hoo!

YOU continue to let the slaughthiouse continue in business?

Yet you rail at a stay at home "voter"???

Unbelieveable!

398 posted on 11/07/2012 3:12:15 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
Here are Mormon values from their own website.

They do have other flavors you know...


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52486958-78/mayne-gay-lds-ward.html.csp

399 posted on 11/07/2012 3:15:30 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SENTINEL
MY name is SPARTACUS!!!
400 posted on 11/07/2012 3:16:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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