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Romney Loss - Evangelicals "Again" Stayed Home
IFB ^ | 11/7/12

Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

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To: Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
..... I grew up Baptist.

I grew up nothing.

I absorbed what little I knew about Christianity from America's culture.

When in the service, a Baptist fellow from Michigan asked me and all the others in the barracks if we would like to go to church with him on Sunday.

Moses Lake, WA was the town, and it was there that I heard the Gospel and made a decision.

That was long ago and far away; and many miles have now passed by.

I wandered from the path for many years; but GOD was (IS!) faithful and drew me back.

I now attend a Wesleyan congregation.

551 posted on 11/08/2012 4:37:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
"Yet you moan that GOD somehow can't... ... use an unbeliever like Barak Obama to do His work here?"

I did not say God COULDN'T - He can do anything, and His will is not going to be thwarted.
Some non-believers He uses to enact judgement on His people, and some He uses to save His people - does not mean we shouldn't try to discern His will.

Hmmm, let's say:
If both candidates are pagans, should I vote for the one that may help save babies from slaughter, or the one that I KNOW will do everyting in his power to continue the slaughter of little baby boys and little baby girls?

552 posted on 11/08/2012 4:37:51 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: metmom
Since denominational affiliation does not dictate whether one is really a Christian or not, it's a meaningless question.

I interpreted it to mean do I think that the RCC teachs the core Christian doctrines.

I do.

That they ALSO teach some stuff that I do NOT consider to be important was not addressed.

ALL churchs do that!


Bottom line:


 

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


1 John 3:21-24

Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.


553 posted on 11/08/2012 4:41:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mr Rogers; Ann Archy
FWIW: I knew there was a reason I voted for Mitt:

Are you a member of TCOJCOLDS?

554 posted on 11/08/2012 4:43:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlatherNaut
 
When he was governor of Massachusetts, his religion was a non-issue and many people didn’t even realize he was a Mormon.

HMMmm...

I guess those voters must have LEARNED something since that time!

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555 posted on 11/08/2012 4:49:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

What is that?


556 posted on 11/08/2012 4:50:24 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: BlatherNaut
Those who refused to vote for Romney out of religious purity have deliberately contributed to inflicting our country with the political incarnation of Barabbas for another four years

And you are POSITIVE about this claim?

557 posted on 11/08/2012 4:51:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Mr Rogers

Elsie.....I think you need tolook in a mirror to see who the religious bigot is since you didn’t vote for Mitt because he’s a Mormon!!


558 posted on 11/08/2012 4:52:36 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Mr Rogers
Obama does.

You got any PROOF of this assertion?

559 posted on 11/08/2012 4:53:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EagleInGA

Why Mitt Romney Lost

Newsmax ^ | Nov 7, 2012 | Christopher Ruddy

Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:53:31 AM by KeyLargo

Newsmax Why Mitt Romney Lost Wednesday, November 7, 2012 02:24 PM

By: Christopher Ruddy Newsmax

Christopher Ruddy’s Perspective: It was the worst of times and the worst of times.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2956927/posts


560 posted on 11/08/2012 4:55:23 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: jda; Godzilla; reaganaut; P-Marlowe
(who, incidentally, have morals and integrity)

They DO??

A whole lot more than the REST of us Gentiles???

561 posted on 11/08/2012 4:56:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kevmo

No - I voted in 2008 and 2012. I did not stay home like a child. Blame those who did.


562 posted on 11/08/2012 4:58:08 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: reaganaut
And I thought I was in the sticks!


3.5 miles - volunteer fire station - the Capitan is a Democrat - fine fellow!

563 posted on 11/08/2012 4:59:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 1010RD

Each demographic has their morons.

Evangelicals are no different.

You can fix stupid and I wish the same on any Evangelical who didn’t vote for Romney as I do for the listless freeloaders and Communists who voted for Obama...

You deserve the government you get...enjoy.


564 posted on 11/08/2012 5:00:43 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Kevmo; svcw

(Uhhh I think they wuz refering to the other poster - not you, personally)


565 posted on 11/08/2012 5:01:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
Thank you for being faithful to document what is often unknown or denied.

Thanks - my opinion ain't worth much to anyone; 'sept me!

566 posted on 11/08/2012 5:02:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw

Some sooner than others...

There’s no night there and the gates will NEVER be closed.

(St. Pete will have to get another gig!)


567 posted on 11/08/2012 5:04:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mr Rogers
I had a number of Mormon friends who were told to stop being friends with me due to our conversations, but the LDS church never put out a contract on me.

You were lucky...

"I am a true believer in the gospel of Jesus Christ, I do not believe everything that is now being taught and practiced by Brigham Young.

 I do not care who hears it. It is my last word - it is so.

 I believe he is lead­ing the people astray, downward to destruction.

 But I believe in the gospel that was taught in its purity by Joseph Smith, in former days.

 I have my reasons for it.

 

"I studied to make this man's [Brigham Young] will my pleasure for thirty years.

See, now, what I have come to this day!

 

"I have been sacrificed in a cowardly, dastardly manner." (Lee enun­ciated this sentence with marked emphasis.)

 

 

Excerpted from -->  http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mountainmeadows/leeexecution.html

568 posted on 11/08/2012 5:06:08 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
Mormonism not anti-mormon bigotry is a distinction without a difference. I'd rather the Mormon over the Muslim Marxist any day.

Yup; move along - no BIGOTRY in that last statement at all.

569 posted on 11/08/2012 5:07:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A Strict Constructionist
Live the Bible don’t hit people over the head with it is my motto.


Sometimes you have to whack 'em upside the head to get their attention.
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17. so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
Titus 2:15
These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

570 posted on 11/08/2012 5:11:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
That may explain WHY he said it; but the statement IS true: MORMONism is a cult.

So?

Like I've been saying, we were not hiring Romney for the job of spiritual leader. By voting for or against him, you are expressing judgement on whether you think he would be a better candidate than Obama, for the particular and specific job of President, which entails (1) working to preserve the constitutional freedoms of US citizens, (2) not messing up the economy, and (3) keeping the US safe from foreign attack.

I've hired a number of people over the years. My hiring decision is based on whether I think they can do the job. Their religious beliefs are generally irrelevant unless a case can be made that the religious belief would interfere with their doing a good job in the slot that I'm evaluating them for.

For example, I would pick a Buddhist or Hindu who was diligent in getting the job done, over a Christian who could not get along with others or who spent his time berating others about religion.

571 posted on 11/08/2012 5:11:40 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: metmom
Thank you for speaking up, and from experience, although no doubt you’ll be castigated for it.

'could be worse!!


Galatians 5:12

572 posted on 11/08/2012 5:13:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Yup; move along - no BIGOTRY in that last statement at all.

The more you talk, the more you give the impression that you're a closet Obama supporter.

573 posted on 11/08/2012 5:16:37 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: Ann Archy
Notice NO ONE answers my question....HYPOCRITES!!

Now now...

Some of us step away from the computer to get on with our REAL lives from time to time.

Please be patient with us slow to respond folks.

574 posted on 11/08/2012 5:19:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Normally I’d give ya something back. Eh, just not in the mood.


575 posted on 11/08/2012 5:31:58 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: reaganaut; A Strict Constructionist

reaganaut is right. I was born and raised in Mormonism. I thought all Christians defined the terms, “salvation, God, Christ, eternity, righteousness, progress, and heaven” in the same way I was taught.

Once I uncovered the lies and fallacies of Mormonism, I refused to ever look to Christ. He was a puny brother to me, and just a progressive god, who would one day attain the title of god the father in a Godhood with his progeny beneath him. (or so I had been taught in Mormonism and believed that all Christians thought of Christ this way)

I wandered in that dry desert wilderness for 40 years from the date of my Mormon baptism before Christ brought me to a place of despair - where I could give my life, and control of my life to Him.

There is a vast, unbridgeable difference between the Christ we know and the Christ of Mormonism. Being “nice” to them only lets them believe they have more knowledge than you - and they feel sorry for YOU.


576 posted on 11/08/2012 5:34:24 AM PST by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: campaignPete R-CT
There are those who claim their religion teaches them to boycott politics.

Other than JW's; who would that be?

They sure would NOT be reading or posting HERE!

577 posted on 11/08/2012 5:35:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PapaBear3625
This is based upon ASSUMING the pastor in question being an Obama-supporting Protestant.
578 posted on 11/08/2012 5:37:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I didn’t ask how you voted, I asked why you’re here on FR. If you’re so offended by Evangelicals, what are you doing on a site that is evangelical in nature? Trolling? Trying to separate conservatives from their conservative principles? Such a thing is not conservative.


579 posted on 11/08/2012 5:38:50 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: PapaBear3625
As long as a man is honest in his dealings, I generally have no issues with his religious opinions.

Works for me; but these ARE politicians we're talking about!

580 posted on 11/08/2012 5:40:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EricT.

Yup; I’m evangelical and, having been a seminary student and a P.K., I know hundreds of evangelicals extremely well. None that I know, except my niece, stayed home. All that I know, except my niece, voted for Romney. Niece didn’t like Romney; he wasn’t the perfect candidate. There’s an old saying that “’Perfect’ is the enemy of ‘good’.” Compared with Hussein, Romney was good enough.

Evangelicals need to understand the history of the Constitution and what most evangelicals believed in the 1700s. Probably the most influential Baptists in American history was John Leland, a colleague of James Madison. Leland was excited that the Constitution provided so much personal liberty for the citizenry, and so much religious freedom for Americans, that he was cool with the concept that a person of any faith, or an atheist, could be president. And it’s true. I’d vote for an atheist who’d be a strict Constitutionalist before a Baptist with an agenda to mess with our religious freedom.

These tight-ass whack jobs who’d rather have Hussein turn America into a Socialist or Muslim country than Romney need to be very ashamed of themselves. Piss on those who voted for Gary Johnson, or Goode, or whomever. I hope their kids look precious in burquas.


581 posted on 11/08/2012 5:40:58 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Elsie

Correct....


582 posted on 11/08/2012 5:41:16 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: bert
You elected Obama!!!

Then BOW before my power!!!

If a handful of Flying Inmen can bring the vast MORMON Empire to it's knees; then you'd better FEAR us; mere mortal!

583 posted on 11/08/2012 5:45:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PapaBear3625

My original statement was “Likely, he would have been unhappy about a Catholic candidate as well”. This is based upon the pastor in question being an Obama-supporting Protestant.
_________________________________________

But why say such a thing ???

What does that have to do with Willard ???

Willard is a Mormon...

Catholics and Protestants are Christians...

Christianity and Mormonism are 2 very different religions...

One has God who became man...

the other has men who become gods...

Willard hopes to get good enough to join his crew...


584 posted on 11/08/2012 5:46:23 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: daniel1212

Yes, and it was true that IN THE PAST all denominations took part in demonizing other Christian denominations and Jews and expressed that in the form of burnings, the inquisition, witch trials etc. That is history but it should have nothing to do with how we protect our Constitutional rights from socialists who would demonize all of our separate beliefs. Put these religious prejudices among the Christian denominations aside and work to protect and defend the Constitution. Even if that means voting for a mormon or God forbid a pentacostal, a baptist or (GASP) a catholic.


585 posted on 11/08/2012 5:47:09 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Psalm 73
If both candidates are pagans, should I vote for the one that may help save babies from slaughter, or the one that I KNOW will do everyting in his power to continue the slaughter of little baby boys and little baby girls?

You 'know' one thing and 'hope' for another; while TODAY 2,700 + will die.

586 posted on 11/08/2012 5:49:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DungeonMaster

What the hell are to talking about? Because you are a Christian you choose to not be wealthy. That is the most ignorant statement against Biiblical principles I have ever read.
If you are poor you can’t help others, that brother is the issue
Now get off your butt work hard get wealthy and help the least of these


587 posted on 11/08/2012 5:50:13 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Ann Archy
What is that?

Oh; sorry...



588 posted on 11/08/2012 5:53:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ann Archy
I think you need tolook in a mirror to see who the religious bigot is since you didn’t vote for Mitt because he’s a Mormon!!

Ann, Ann, Ann...

Why have you not posted THIS?

I think you need tolook in a mirror to see who the religious bigot is since you didn’t vote for OBAMA because he’s a MUSLIM!!

589 posted on 11/08/2012 5:55:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ann Archy

You just wallow in your puerness and pat yourself on the back.
_________________________________________

Just WOW

and yet youre mad at a few FReepers here because they wouldnt wallow in poop and pat the impure Willard on the back...


590 posted on 11/08/2012 5:56:07 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: PapaBear3625
specific job of President, which entails (1) working to preserve the constitutional freedoms of US citizens, (2) not messing up the economy, and (3) keeping the US safe from foreign attack.

HMMmm...

I didn't know this.


The oath of office of the President of the United States is an oath or affirmation required by the United States Constitution before the President begins the execution of the office. The wording is specified in Article Two, Section One, Clause Eight:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

591 posted on 11/08/2012 5:59:48 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kevmo

People who stayed home are to blame. Not us.


592 posted on 11/08/2012 6:00:02 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

If you’re so offended by Evangelicals, what are you doing on a site that is evangelical in nature? Trolling?

Free Republic is not a GOP website.


593 posted on 11/08/2012 6:02:01 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: PapaBear3625
The more you talk, the more you give the impression that you're a closet Obama supporter.

I just LOVE impressions!

I get the impression that certain folks don't like what I stand for and wish I would just shut up.

594 posted on 11/08/2012 6:02:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: riri

Perk up. This too shall pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yop62wQH498


595 posted on 11/08/2012 6:04:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MayflowerMadam
These tight-ass whack jobs who’d rather have Hussein turn America into a Socialist or Muslim country than Romney need to be very ashamed of themselves.

I wonder Christians that ARE in socailist/muslim countries already get blamed for?

596 posted on 11/08/2012 6:07:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

“When he was governor of Massachusetts, his religion was a non-issue and many people didn’t even realize he was a Mormon.
HMMmm... I guess those voters must have LEARNED something since that time!”

What’s your point? Republicans lost to Joe-Joe-Joe Kennedy, the Marxists Liz Warren & BO, and a crook (John Tierney).

These results have no relation to Romney’s religion. He was considered too conservative by voters in Massachusetts.


597 posted on 11/08/2012 6:08:28 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: RJS1950
Put these religious prejudices among the Christian denominations aside and work to protect and defend the Constitution.


598 posted on 11/08/2012 6:09:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlatherNaut
He was considered too conservative by voters in Massachusetts.

WHAT!!!

Did they NOT elect him GOVERNOR??

Once?

599 posted on 11/08/2012 6:12:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

“WHAT!!! Did they NOT elect him GOVERNOR?? Once?”

That’s old history. Deval Patrick (Obama’s mini me) has been governor for years.


600 posted on 11/08/2012 6:21:19 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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