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To: Kevmo

JESUS CHRIST was not running for President. Jesus Christ was the only perfect human. If you are looking for the perfect candidate, you will be looking for a LONG time ! If it wasn’t so sad and tragic (Obama and his regime lording over us) your reply to me would almost be humorous.


687 posted on 11/08/2012 2:52:28 PM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: timestax

JESUS CHRIST was not running for President.
***Obvious attempt at deflection.

If you are looking for the perfect candidate, you will be looking for a LONG time
***I’m looking for a conservative candidate, on a conservative website. You are berating conservatives for not voting for what the founder calls a lying, baby-killing gun-grabbing statist. The issue isn’t the perfection of Christ, it is the fact that you are trolling, trying to separate conservatives from their conservative beliefs on a conservative website.

If it wasn’t so sad and tragic (Obama and his regime lording over us) your reply to me would almost be humorous.
***It is time to take back conservatism from the CINOs. If you are berating conservatives, you are in the free fire zone. You have a chance to get out of it.


690 posted on 11/08/2012 2:58:03 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: timestax; kevao; RJS1950; All
JESUS CHRIST was not running for President. Jesus Christ was the only perfect human. If you are looking for the perfect candidate, you will be looking for a LONG time !

Hey, Jesus may not have been on the ballot, but a man pretending to be a "divine one" was...name was Mitt Romney.

You see temple Mormons believe they are "gods in embryo"...temple Lds, are, btw, about 15-20% of all Mormons...

Now tell us: Had McCain or Sarah Palin claimed they were "gods in embryo," would it actually surprise you that some would not have voted for them??? (voted third party, for example)

Not sure why Mormonism got this "free pass" this election on this particular personality identity disorder -- given that it shows a basic lack of discernment and vulnerability to deception by THE would-be leader of the free world...

I mean, a LOT of Lds wacky beliefs didn't necessarily play into evaluating a candidate...but if he doesn't even know who he is...if he thinks he was spirit-born on another planet near the star Kolob...then why did the birthers go crazy only over Obama???

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Documentation on the 'god-in-embryo' official Lds teaching:

Marion G. Romney -- cousin of Mitt's father -- and in the Lds 'first presidency' at one time

“The truth is … man is a child of God— a God in embryo.” – Mitt Romney's father's cousin, Marion G. Romney – one of the top three Lds hierarchists a generation ago...in Conference Report, April 1973, p. 136; or Ensign, July 1973, p. 14).

3rd LDS 'prophet' John Taylor

* "What is [man]? He had his being in the eternal worlds; he existed before he came here. He is not only the son of man, but he is the son of God also. He IS a God in embryo, and possesses within him a spark of that eternal flame..." (3rd "prophet" John Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, pp. 52-54, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 2, 2001 -- compiled & published by its "intellectual reserve" publishing trademark).
* "If we take man, he is said to have been made in the image of God...being his son, he is, of course, his offspring, an emanation from God...He...came forth possessing, in an embryonic state, ALL the faculties and powers of a God." (Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, p. 52, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 3, 2001).

12th Lds 'prophet' Spencer W. Kimball

Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978.

But did you know Mormonism teaches you are all "gods in embryo"??? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Did you know that Mormonism teaches the false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:

1969 "Being a GOD IN EMBRYO with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)

A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)

To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.

September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)

1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a GOD IN EMBRYO. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975

November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of one’s life—to substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine

This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp

691 posted on 11/08/2012 3:01:47 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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