Skip to comments.Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham debate how Romney lost the election
Posted on 11/07/2012 10:08:01 AM PST by Rufus2007
The shock of last nights electoral outcome in the presidential race is setting in for some conservatives. But just how it was lost seems to be up for the debate.
On Laura Ingrahams Wednesday radio show, conservative commentator Ann Coulter and Ingraham debated who is to blame. Coulter, author of Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama, was less willing to fault the candidate Mitt Romney, while Ingraham put the loss mostly on the shoulders of those running the Romney campaign.
COULTER: I think Romney ran just on his own force of will, a magnificent campaign. I think he was the perfect candidate. INGRAHAM: Are you kidding me? You think he ran a magnificent campaign?
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All these political brainiacs to give their analysis on how Romney lost but the answer is simple. There are just more takers out there and they out number us.
The electorate has changed...it’s firggin’ goofy.
Did Coulter have anything to say about her boy Christie doing his part in sinking Gov. Romney?
Coulter, both of your boys flubbed. When you see Christie again, thank him from the bottom of our hearts for that big hug he gave Commrade Barak Hussein!
The electorate has changed...it’s friggin’ goofy.
As if either of them really has a clue. But, they do make oodles of money pretending they know.
What a great gig. Freakin’ Dick Morris and his “landslide”. I could just kick the little toe sucker’s butt right now. Instead, little Dickie gets to run to the bank with piles of cash.
much better to debate how Obama won it without trying all that hard.
His campaign was a masterpiece of marketing and troops on the ground. The US has never experienced such, IMO
During the primaries, Coulter & Drudge pushed Romney and ignored the others. Drudges headlines were all Romney all day.
(Don’t get me wrong—I believe Romeny is probably a great guy)
But—Romeny was not tough enough.
He ran a Mr Rogers campaign. Nice guy—not tough enough for dealing with the lying, dirty, cheating left.
Don’t bring a wet noodle to a smash fest.
Anyone else having second thoughts on the 19th Amendment?
We have to figure out how to get more into our belief system. Not going to get there being exclusionary and blaming everyone of the change in our world. It is what it is. We can't change it till we get back in power. We can't get back in power till we change something about the way we do things, such as run campaigns.
I am willing to stick with Ingraham, Coulter is a POS.
Now she needs to completely disown Christie. Her infatuation with that RINO jerk should be long over - she should acknowledge it publicly (and loudly) now, if she hasn't already.
Coulter. Lost me with early pushing of Romney over a conservative
Constitutional illiteracy, brought on by neglect of the ideas of liberty--that is the primary reason we are continuing on the road to tyranny under deficit, debt, and government control! The secondary reason is the GOP's failure to use its billion-dollar campaign to focus like a laser on educating voters!
During the primary season, one of my FR posts stated the following in response to a Jonah Goldberg comment about Romney:
Sorry, Jonah, but this is not as simple as "not speaking the language (of conservatism) naturally." When a person is steeped in the ideas of Jefferson, Adams, Madison, and Washington, it just "naturally" slips through in the ideas they convey. Remember Reagan?
Do Republicans seriously want to conserve America's constitutional principles? Or, are they just objecting to Democrats? Do they have a passion for liberty? Is this just about changing the Party in power, or is it about preserving freedom?
If their concern is for convincing enough voters to reject the idea of "a government big enough to give you everything you want" and turn to advocacy for "a government small enough to allow you freedom to keep most of what you earn," then they'd better get busy seeing that someone is nominated who has been "marinated" (to use a word coined by Ingraham last night on "The Factor") in the Founders' ideas (isn't that what conservatives purport to "conserve"?).
So far (February 2012), Mitt Romney, though a good man, demonstrates no such "immersion." He has been "successful" in benefiting from those ideas, and he recites familiar words and phrases from patriotic speeches and songs, but that is different from understanding and being able to call up and articulate the philosophy which made such success possible.
Ronald Reagan's life and letters reveal that he had "immersed" himself in those ideas for years before he agreed to run for President, and that is why he could set "issues" in light of constitutional "principle." and explain his advocacy or rejection of solutions in by that light.
The other three candidates in the Primary--Paul, Santorum, Gingrich--couch their answers to questions in a manner which indicates personal pursuit and understanding of the Constitution's protections, each in his own way.
Of the two so-called "frontrunners," however, the lifetime history scholar, teacher, legislator, and participant in what was called "the Reagan revolution," appears to be the one most likely to be able to successfully articulate and distinguish those ideas to voters, if given the chance to compete with the "counterfeit ideas" of tyranny cloaked in righteous benevolence by Obama.
Is "politics as usual" to win the day, or might we not bring Gingrich, Santorum, Paul, and others who embrace founding principles together to help to create a "passion" for liberty among citizens sufficient to defeat the counterfeit ideas which are leading the Republic to ruin?
The following is excerpted from "Our Ageless Constitution," p. 181:
"It was John Adams who said: "The foundation of every government is some principle or passion in the minds of the people." Clearly, the Founders' passion was liberty, and in order to secure that liberty, they sought out and incorporated into the United States Constitution those ideas and principles embodied in the Declaration of Independence.
"The French historian, Guizot, once asked James Russell Lowell, "How long will the American republic endure?" Lowell replied: "As long as the IDEAS of the men who founded it continue dominant."
"Herein lies the answer to the question, "Will the Experiment Succeed?"
"It can and will succeed IF the motivating "principle or passion in the minds of the people" is LIBERTY, and if that passion causes them to exert the determination and will to complete the needed restoration of the IDEAS upon which the great American experiment was based." ---(End of excerpted material)
My call to the GOP and all lovers of liberty is the same as then! To rediscover and recover liberty from the hands of those who are turning America into just another failing nation dominated by a government-over-people ideology, a determined and massive education effort should begin November 7, 2012, focused on the teaching of the fundamental principles essential to the survival of individual liberty for a people.
The Conservative fighters split the vote of Conservatives once again and the rich, monied, supported by the establishment RINO won the primary again. We were doomed when everyone else ran out of money before a third of the country had a chance to vote for them.
Romney almost had it, when everyone rallied behind him anyway, but he went and blew it himself by playing safe.
Well, here we are. Drudge, Rove, Ingraham, and Coulter can eat nice fresh feces for their collective parts in this.
Yep...we’re a Marxist state. It’s amazing how all these masterminds know what happened, but they couldn’t see it prior to it. They’re just capital!
Her and her buddy Drudge
“Romney didn’t lose it, Chris Christie didn’t lose it. We just have to face it there is not as many of us conservatives as there are of them. Until we change that we will always lose. Past electoral history backs that up, as doe logic.
We have to figure out how to get more into our belief system. Not going to get there being exclusionary and blaming everyone of the change in our world. It is what it is. We can’t change it till we get back in power. We can’t get back in power till we change something about the way we do things, such as run campaigns.”
I’m just annoyed with the talking heads. I bought their garbage hook line and sinker, and now I’m disgusted.
I agree with you completely that it’s come to a point where there are more takers than makers. The problem is, there is no going back. We’ve jumped out of the plane, and we’re just going to pick up speed until we hit the ground.
It’s out of our hands.
You mean, we needed a tough guy candidate like Barry Goldwater?
If Romney had done as you say, he would've gone down to a crushing defeat a la LBJ trouncing Goldwater in '64.
Sorry, I liked Goldwater too, up until he went squishy in his dotage.
“When you touch the Romney button it changes to Romney.” That report come from many locations during the early voting phase. Surely many more people than complained did not even notice that their votes had been switched. How many machines were better hacked so that the switch didn’t show up on the screen? Only Democrats will win presidential elections from here on out. Other elections will be controlled by the Democrats and the percentage of nonDemocrats elected to anything will steadily decline. This was not our last chance. 1908 was our last chance, at least peaceably.
Yes, the tipping point has been crossed. The Takers beat the Makers.
And the Takers numbers will increase in the next four years. The truth
is we have become a taker society. It will only get worse.
for crying out loud we’ll have trolls on here and other places , we’ll get talking heads all saying how we should accept their homo stance, their liberal social issues.
We lost because of black racism.
a media which has lied and has been corrupt for years, ignoring imporant issues , hell even Libya, debt, unemployment etc was ignored
welfare lazy layabouts
voter fraud and massive cheating and which I will add this election results does nto add up, and something is fishy with these results
enough of the lets workwiht the elft and be moderate, translation accept the elfts social issues and ignore the fiscal matters
Yeah, you may have it right there. But Romney still was defeated.
Fight hard and lose or go soft and lose?
Hard to say.
Coulter may be a POS, but she is dead right when she states that there are just more takers than makers now. It’s over. The idea that a conservative can win with a conservative economic message is wishful. They don’t want to listen and they don’t care. Give me, give me, give me. As Rush says, they voted for Santa Claus.
It was NOT voting fraud that caused us the election. It is 100 percent in the lap of Romney and his cheerleaders. Arrogance is 100 percent what happened. It was so pathetic to see Romney lovers say he was going to get over 300 electoral votes. So ridiculous. That pisses me off most...the second thing is that Romney supporters did not take polls seriously. They were accurate and people blew them off. When you think you have it in the bag then you are not going to work hard enough to win and that was Romney’s biggest problem...ARROGANCE! Santorum should have been our nominee from day ONE. Santorum is a hard worker and would have won this thing because he has a core and has principles. Lost opportunity!!!!
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I almost totally agree with Coulter. And, by the way, what Christie did was politically unforgivable.
Drudge is a ‘republican’ who needs gay marriage in whatever state he and his life partner live in
Not only that but there are a bunch of Makers out there who decided that the Takers deserve more. I'm still amazed at the number of my acquaintances with good jobs (some have six-figure incomes), college degrees, good work ethic, etc., who think Obamacare is a great idea ("You never know when you'll get cancer and lack the money to pay for treatment!") and the rich just need to be taxed more. It's like we live on skew planes.
Last night verified what I've suspected for awhile: The country has indeed lurched left, '08 wasn't a fluke, and we're in for European socialism, if not worse.
I think what Ann and Laura might both agree to:
Romney ran better than his campaign
However, Obama’s campaign ran better than Obama
We either missed or dismissed an amazing ground game
I think it’s time for a reckoning in the Republican Party. The status quo is no longer viable. Either the liberals run it or the conservatives. If all we aspire to be is cheap ass liberals then what’s the point.
However, with the split of takers vs. makers in the country and the takers now a majority, I have to say, what’s the point, we are done as a country the mooches are in firm control and that is not going to change. 236 yrs was a pretty good run...
I think Obama won it more than Romney lost it simply by his nature as an American idol celebrity candidate that has a built-in base of dumbass voters. And also by his micro-targetted marketing of different messages to different demographic groups, mostly a variety of negative attacks on Romney.
A better candidate like Newt Gingrich would have probably won the election. Romney had a huge surge in the polls when he got tough on Obama in the first debate, but then he backed off. If he would have stayed tough and been as negative as Obama through the end, he could have depressed turnout enough on the Democrat side to win.
This is ALL about the candidates and the campaigns. It has nothing to do with conservative or liberal ideology. Obama didn’t win because there are more liberals in the country. He won because his campaign successfully appealed to dumbass voters in extremely superficial and dishonest ways.
Give me a break. Romney lost because he has a long history as a moderate to liberal republican who has more in common with Obama than he does with his Red State base. Obama lost 10 million votes from 2008. Romney only had to match McCain's numbers to win the election, but fell 3 million votes shorts. These three million voters did not suddenly become "takers" and vote for Obama, rather they stayed home out of principle because Romney brought nothing to the table.
said this all toda but these results don;t add up.
Here in FL this was Romney country the polls had him for plus 7.
Grayson was booted out two eyars ago and yet is now back in.
Observers thrown out in the liberal places.
union votes up by 5 in this bad economy and high gas etc.
oberservers in philly thrown out.
machines not working.
military vote was even in VA, that does not make sense especially after Libya and why that one state?
There is a lot of results not adding up here and yes I;ll say it, the cheating and stuffing ballots when no obervers were there.
Romney had an attitude that it was just his turn to be president. He felt his fellow elitist friends could make sure he won. It just didn’t work out for him. Fooling conservatives is difficult because they look past what you say to what you actually do and his actions did not fit his sudden turn around. He wasn’t believable and that is why fewer people showed up to vote Romney. It wasn’t just that he was a Mormon or that he came across as soft and smug.
America still has enough Christians to decide an election. The republican party has offered us no one standing up for our values. We weren’t invited to the republican convention. Dirty tricks were used in keeping the right away from the convention while voting took place on important issues. Supporting bleeding heart lefties in Massachusetts while disowning others in states like Missouri.
Do the top dogs in the Republican Party think the little people are brain dead?
I am no longer a republican, haven’t been for several years. They lost me way back with Dole, Bush 2 and McCain. I did vote for Romney but not because he was a republican.
Saying the people voted for Santa Claus just seems wrong to me. Santa Claus is very hard working and efficient, he owns a factory, he is very generous and enforces a behavior standard for getting his gifts or not. Obama is none of this.
Ingraham has been consistently making the point that Romney not being more ahead at certain stages of the election campaign with what has transpired and the economy and unemployment the way it has been was bad news and sad. She asked once on tv if conservatives couldn't win now with things as they are, when can they ever win?
In hindsight though now this conversation between these two is almost laughable. To their credit they both mention the demographics.
Society makes a conservative an outcast ala Rush Limbaugh and targets the conservative. Liberals hire other lib erals and go out of their way to try not to hire conservatives. Most conservatives don't do this. It is like a reverse MyCarthyist blacklist of conservatives.
Public schools, colleges, the government employing a large percent of the workforce and the media all working to eliminate conservative beliefs.
Both Ingraham and Coulter have taken on the liberal establishment so they know what the problem is.
Just many Republicans were wearing like a horse wearing blinkers trying to win the race, trying not to see what was around them that might cause them to lose.
All of the newcombers to the country who voted and the effects of the media and the movements to crush and destroy conservatism were there plain to see.
Then you also have the thing about many female voters often voting for the man whose looks they like and many females tending to like men who have smaller heads and appear less threatening. So this is another factor that got Obama votes.
The freebie of free birth control and the scare of not being able to have an abortion also get a large percentage of female voters to vote Democrat.
Promises of future action to help newcombers to the country also helped with the newcombers to the country.
The 2010 election is more proof that this was about Obama as a personality, not about his policies. When Obama’s not on the ballot, his voters don’t turn out. It’s not committed liberals putting him over the top. It’s ignorant voters who can decide in one night whether they prefer conservatism or liberalism based on which candidate wins a debate or gives a good speech.
...loves her some Mitt Romney & Chris Christie!
Lest we not forget that wimmin are a big reason we got him agin.
The quintessential “American story” is no linger rags-to-riches through hard work and perseverance but it is surviving the street jungle and gaming the welfare system to find a fleeting moment of media fame.
Obamaphone lady is a prime example of the new American acheivement.
Obama won because ever since JFK, they want a cool celebrity in the White House, who is loved by Hollywood.
Might as well move the White House to Hollywood.
This election was unequivically tipped by the corrupt, partisan MSM. They protected Obama at all costs and sought to denigrate Romney at all turns. It was like a prizefight where the ref kept handing Obama a pair of brass knuckles. That's how fair the election was.
Actually, it was neither fraud nor Romney. It was demographics. There are a lot more blacks, Latinos, Asians, young people and single women in today's electorate than there were in 1980. The Republicans need to make gains with one or more of these groups or they face long-term irrelevance.
the second thing is that Romney supporters did not take polls seriously. They were accurate and people blew them off.
Nobody here on FR (myself included) believed the polls. We were wrong. The media may lie, but pollsters' economic success depends on accuracy. We need to start believing them.
Yes. It’s not 1980 anymore.
Most Americans are lazy.
When they are told by the guys they listen to on Fox News that Romney will win in a landslide, and that the 0bama camp is worried and drawing small crowds compared to Romney’s confidence and huge crowds they start thinking they don’t have to waste any time and effort going to vote.
I don’t buy the Romney is a moderate to liberal republican excuse for him losing. Romney spoke about the 47 percent that weren’t going to vote for him and he was wrong. It’s well over 50 percent and climbing every day as the left continues to solidify their voting base.
While Coulter is a bit Northeast GOP oriented, Ingraham is a huge part of the problem. Ingraham is always willing to slam whomever is running against the Dims. She imagines she is helping, but what she is doing is helping Obama continue to blame Bush etc.
The Dim’s rally around their own. Ingraham always takes after our own.