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Steven Greenhut: Who's leaving the state, and why (re California)
oc register ^ | day after the death of America | Greenhut

Posted on 11/07/2012 5:43:58 PM PST by doug from upland

Published: Oct. 1, 2012 Updated: 10:34 a.m. Text: Text: Larger Text: Smaller Text: Reset Next Article » Steven Greenhut: Who's leaving the state, and why

Businesses and individuals get tired of being viewed mainly as an ATM machine for government.

By STEVEN GREENHUT

For the Register letters@ocregister.com

SACRAMENTO – Not long ago, I made a case for staying in California, arguing that there's nothing wrong here that isn't fixable.

California, blessed by magnificent and varied geography, mild weather and an "anything's possible" culture, suffers mainly from a political process controlled by public-sector union advocates hell-bent on protecting their power and privilege, no matter what that means for the state's finances and public services.

While affirming this "we should stand our ground" point of view, I've found little to be hopeful about in the current political season, with polls showing Gov. Jerry Brown's tax-increase plan (Proposition 30) holding a solid lead, an initiative that would chip away at union power (Prop. 32) failing, and President Barack Obama holding a 24-point lead in California. These three examples are not surprising, but they do suggest how far we are from the paradigm shift needed to get California back on a better track.

The most troubling thing I've seen is the delusion embraced by the state's dominant Democrats, who really seem to believe that California is only one massive tax increase away from being fixed.

"Maybe I know too much about this stuff, but we're in a recovery, a slow recovery, and it'll keep recovering with any luck," Gov. Jerry Brown said in early September. "And if the Republicans would get out of the way and let, you know, the stimulus and the investment go forward, such as the Democrats have proposed, we'll be better off."

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: business; california; taxes

1 posted on 11/07/2012 5:44:03 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

Obama will try and force the rest of America to bail out California.

Republicans in the House need to stay strong and not allow that to happen.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 5:49:38 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: doug from upland

I was boren here, lived most of my adult life here but this last election in the straw that broke... I am putting my house up and headed to a red state .. very depressed


3 posted on 11/07/2012 5:49:40 PM PST by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: doug from upland

All that is needed is for some State like Texas to announce they are seriously starting the process of secession and good people will flock to them in droves and away from cesspools like CA. Heck after last night’s results I told the wife if Texas announced today, I’d be packing cardboard boxes tomorrow.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 5:53:06 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: doug from upland

I read a fascinating article on CA in Salon today.

Basically, it said the state was in dire shape but now that the house and senate have gone democrat in a overbearing way, finally all those problems the republicans have caused will end and utopia will begin.

You see, all CA’s problems have come from the handful of Republicans. Somehow they did this. I don’t know how people get so delusional.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 5:54:03 PM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Republicans in the House need to stay strong”

STAY strong?????????? REALLY?????????

Thank you so much for that bit of levity in an otherwise bleak day.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 5:54:07 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Breto

I did. We sold our house in Florida and moved to Tennessee. Love it here.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 5:55:20 PM PST by rep-always
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To: doug from upland

Left in ‘04 after 20 years, and never looked back.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 5:55:59 PM PST by tickedoffnow (No more...)
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To: doug from upland

We left five years ago since it was not a good place to raise children. Too many homos and it was all supposed to be OK.
Even for homeschoolers... The other kids that ours interacted with were all brainwashed drones.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 5:56:59 PM PST by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: I still care

Now California can tax Hollywood the way Hollywood wants to be taxed. I always hear Hollywood stars, directors, producers, etc. complain about not paying enough taxes. Now they can do just that. Watch them all leave California if they don’t already have their money elsewhere. Also, California should tax political fundraisers and take 20% off the top.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 5:57:36 PM PST by petitfour
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To: rep-always

Running out of places to move I’m afraid.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 5:59:42 PM PST by paul544
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To: Breto

As a former sunny socal girl, now masshole, I am with you. We liquidated today, my home is on the market as of this AM. I am thinking BVI or Costa Rica. I just want out.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 5:59:51 PM PST by acapesket
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To: doug from upland

Folks that dismiss California because they think it could never happen in their state, are in for a rude awakening. And if California could disappear tomorrow, those states would still go upside down.

The federal government and it’s policies have destroyed this nation. It’s dead. It just hasn’t fallen over yet.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 5:59:56 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 47 million Americans are still without power.)
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To: doug from upland

¡Viva la Reconquista de la Republica California!


14 posted on 11/07/2012 6:01:27 PM PST by mikrofon (+ Prayers for America +)
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To: I still care

Funny thing is that since the Democrats have no obstruction from the Republicans at this point, anything that goes wrong will still be blamed on the Republicans - either in the past, or in other states.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 6:02:11 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Breto

Us too..... we have 14 months 14 day and 6 hrs. and then we are free. We will sell our house and get out of here. Still trying to decide where to go.

Maybe Tiajuana is better than Calif.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 6:03:23 PM PST by super7man
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To: doug from upland

Can’t leave...Filing bankruptcy to save my home.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 6:03:23 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Texas is NOT the place to go. I escaped to Texas 10 years ago and it’s turning into a liberal sh@thole. It’ll turn into a blue state within 10-15 years.

I’m aggressively looking at relocating to a solid red state. Utah, Wyoming, the Dakotas and Idaho look promising.

Crime has gone up exponentially, the libs have been moving in, delaing with water rationing, I’ve HAD ENOUGH. Not to mentioon La Rasa and the drug cartels.

The Republic of Texas has changed significantly since I came here, and its NOT for the better.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 6:05:22 PM PST by Biff55 (A furore Normanorum libera nos, O Domine!)
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To: doug from upland
Did you notice how ALL of the California ballot initiatives that were punitive to taxpayers resulted in a manner which BENEFIT THE LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND NOT THE TAXPAYER OR BUSINESSES?

This is where a strong case for MASSIVE Statewide and possibly nationwide VOTER FRAUD can be made based on results nearly 100% beneficial to the government.

Last night was a disgrace to the notion of 'free and fair elections'. Unless strict Voter I.D. and purple ink on fingers is not enacted, there is absolutely no point in voting in ANY future election. This is the '2016; 0bama's America' that we were warned about. DISGUSTING AND VOMIT-INDUCING STANK.

19 posted on 11/07/2012 6:09:56 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Republicans in the House need to stay strong and not allow that to happen.”

In others words, it will happen.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 6:15:27 PM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: Biff55

I’m in VA and am terrified at how blue we are becoming with the unabated growth of federal government in the north of the state. I am looking to move to a very red state as well. We should all try to choose one where we can live close to other conservative. At least when things go south we will have each other and not be at the mercy of rioters and looters.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 6:17:11 PM PST by formosa (consider me galt)
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To: doug from upland
...to score dope in Colorado.
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* Actually I doubt that there will be pot sales in Colorado but as an issue, it sure gets certain segments of the population to go to the polls. That trick only works once though if the initiative passes.

And while you may be able to legally buy/use it, any employer can deny you employment for using it. There are employers that already prohibit tobacco use even off premises/after hours. Dopers were too focused on their own vice while condemning tobacco and alchy-haul.

22 posted on 11/07/2012 6:17:24 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: super7man

Still trying to decide where to go

Idaho is gun friendly...


23 posted on 11/07/2012 6:18:56 PM PST by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: DoughtyOne
Folks that dismiss California because they think it could never happen in their state, are in for a rude awakening.

It just happened to the nation.

24 posted on 11/07/2012 6:19:06 PM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: doug from upland

Left 9 years ago. The graffiti was getting closer to our neighborhood and bars were showing up on windows only a couple of miles away. Property values were high then and we haven’t looked back. We visited once and wondered how we ever lived in that mess.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 6:22:55 PM PST by Baynative
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To: I still care

And they will use this same excuse 10 years from now.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 6:23:51 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: doug from upland

Will you be granted an exit visa?


27 posted on 11/07/2012 6:29:46 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: a fool in paradise
But dope doesn't have all of the bad carcinogens that cigarettes have. Its good for you! Dude! /double sarc

Funny how they are talking about banning cigarettes even in your home but it is perfectly fine to light up a doobie. Gee, what about second hand smoke?

I live in Colorado and I was completely blown away by this passing.

28 posted on 11/07/2012 6:32:14 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: ThunderSleeps

If Texas said they were pulling out tonight, I’d have my pick-up loaded and be heading east out of Arizona by sunrise...


29 posted on 11/07/2012 6:35:57 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit.)
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To: dhs12345

Are they going to “tax the hell out of it” so the ATMF can come busting in your door with armed agents for growing your own without paying the high taxes?


30 posted on 11/07/2012 6:51:28 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: super7man

I live in San Felipe, Baja MX, 117 miles south of Calexico, CA. Very safe, one road in one road out, military check points each way. Very comfortable living, once you pay for your house, any thing from $40,00 to $550,000, living expenses are about $1,800.00, per month total and that is living very well.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 7:03:47 PM PST by akinbaja
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To: doug from upland

Arizona looks good, and Sheriff Joe just got reelected.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 7:21:34 PM PST by deek69
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To: doug from upland

Tool had it right. The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.

Left CA with my job for Utah almost 10 years ago now.

Learn to swim.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 7:31:32 PM PST by Pushead (The highways of history are strewn with the wreckage of the nations that forgot God.)
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To: Breto
Idaho is gun friendly...

Idaho is actually a good choice. It is the stern of the Titanic. It will sink last. But with any luck it will break off first and stay afloat.

34 posted on 11/07/2012 7:53:46 PM PST by Leaning Right
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To: SoFloFreeper

So robbing people will fix the state?


35 posted on 11/07/2012 8:17:11 PM PST by Chickensoup
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To: Leaning Right

“Idaho is actually a good choice. It is the stern of the Titanic. It will sink last. But with any luck it will break off first and stay afloat.”

You must be reading my posts!
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2956071/posts?page=123#123


36 posted on 11/07/2012 8:36:40 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: formosa

Last night destroyed my dream of retiring to Virginia. I had set my dreams on retiring to Lexington or Winchester or Blacksburg. Not now.

I already live in a red county in the blue state of California. There is no point in my moving to a red county in the blue state of Virginia. I know it is only becoming purple now, but it is on its way to solid blue.

So I’m now looking at eastern Tennessee.


37 posted on 11/07/2012 8:59:18 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Breto

We looked at Boise about 10 yesars ago. Might do it again.

So it is OK if I bring my 10,000 rounds of .223 with me?


38 posted on 11/07/2012 9:37:37 PM PST by super7man
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To: akinbaja

We actually were considering Puerto Penasco or even Mazatlan. I’ll look at San Felipe.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 10:03:32 PM PST by super7man
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To: paul544

“Running out of places to move I’m afraid.”

Too true FRiend. My wife is eyeballing Toronto.

I’m damn near willing, yet this is where my loyalties lie.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 10:05:12 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: super7man

“So it is OK if I bring my 10,000 rounds of .223 with me?”

Absolutely... in fact Idaho honors all CCW from other states. And I checked the bridges are load rated not to collapse when you drive that much armory over them.


41 posted on 11/08/2012 9:37:50 AM PST by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: tickedoffnow
Left in '97......

Saw the writing on the wall.

42 posted on 11/08/2012 10:13:25 AM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: acapesket

BVI?


43 posted on 11/08/2012 10:17:58 AM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Osage Orange

British Virgin Islands


44 posted on 11/08/2012 3:50:31 PM PST by acapesket
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To: acapesket
Ah...thanks!!

Utila has always interested me.

45 posted on 11/08/2012 4:02:49 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: akinbaja

Do you live in San Filepe year round or just during the winter? Any opinion about the Ventana del Mar area?


46 posted on 11/08/2012 8:06:56 PM PST by super7man
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To: a fool in paradise

Just like moonshine.

Always fun to watch people spin about how tobacco is bad for you but weed is just fine and dandy.

What worries me is now my chances of getting run into and killed on on the highway just doubled. Maybe more than that as millions migrate to Colorado because of the free flow of pot.


47 posted on 11/09/2012 3:07:26 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Biff55
Texas is NOT the place to go. I escaped to Texas 10 years ago and it’s turning into a liberal sh@thole. It’ll turn into a blue state within 10-15 years.

If Texas seceded, it could be fixed. Reform voting and cut off the free stuff.

All that really needs to be done to fix the whole nation is to limit voting to those who own property, have a job, pay taxes and are the head of a household.

48 posted on 11/09/2012 3:17:21 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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