Skip to comments.Steven Greenhut: Who's leaving the state, and why (re California)
Posted on 11/07/2012 5:43:58 PM PST by doug from upland
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Businesses and individuals get tired of being viewed mainly as an ATM machine for government.
By STEVEN GREENHUT
For the Register firstname.lastname@example.org
SACRAMENTO Not long ago, I made a case for staying in California, arguing that there's nothing wrong here that isn't fixable.
California, blessed by magnificent and varied geography, mild weather and an "anything's possible" culture, suffers mainly from a political process controlled by public-sector union advocates hell-bent on protecting their power and privilege, no matter what that means for the state's finances and public services.
While affirming this "we should stand our ground" point of view, I've found little to be hopeful about in the current political season, with polls showing Gov. Jerry Brown's tax-increase plan (Proposition 30) holding a solid lead, an initiative that would chip away at union power (Prop. 32) failing, and President Barack Obama holding a 24-point lead in California. These three examples are not surprising, but they do suggest how far we are from the paradigm shift needed to get California back on a better track.
The most troubling thing I've seen is the delusion embraced by the state's dominant Democrats, who really seem to believe that California is only one massive tax increase away from being fixed.
"Maybe I know too much about this stuff, but we're in a recovery, a slow recovery, and it'll keep recovering with any luck," Gov. Jerry Brown said in early September. "And if the Republicans would get out of the way and let, you know, the stimulus and the investment go forward, such as the Democrats have proposed, we'll be better off."
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Obama will try and force the rest of America to bail out California.
Republicans in the House need to stay strong and not allow that to happen.
I was boren here, lived most of my adult life here but this last election in the straw that broke... I am putting my house up and headed to a red state .. very depressed
All that is needed is for some State like Texas to announce they are seriously starting the process of secession and good people will flock to them in droves and away from cesspools like CA. Heck after last night’s results I told the wife if Texas announced today, I’d be packing cardboard boxes tomorrow.
I read a fascinating article on CA in Salon today.
Basically, it said the state was in dire shape but now that the house and senate have gone democrat in a overbearing way, finally all those problems the republicans have caused will end and utopia will begin.
You see, all CA’s problems have come from the handful of Republicans. Somehow they did this. I don’t know how people get so delusional.
“Republicans in the House need to stay strong”
STAY strong?????????? REALLY?????????
Thank you so much for that bit of levity in an otherwise bleak day.
I did. We sold our house in Florida and moved to Tennessee. Love it here.
Left in ‘04 after 20 years, and never looked back.
We left five years ago since it was not a good place to raise children. Too many homos and it was all supposed to be OK.
Even for homeschoolers... The other kids that ours interacted with were all brainwashed drones.
Now California can tax Hollywood the way Hollywood wants to be taxed. I always hear Hollywood stars, directors, producers, etc. complain about not paying enough taxes. Now they can do just that. Watch them all leave California if they don’t already have their money elsewhere. Also, California should tax political fundraisers and take 20% off the top.
Running out of places to move I’m afraid.
As a former sunny socal girl, now masshole, I am with you. We liquidated today, my home is on the market as of this AM. I am thinking BVI or Costa Rica. I just want out.
Folks that dismiss California because they think it could never happen in their state, are in for a rude awakening. And if California could disappear tomorrow, those states would still go upside down.
The federal government and it’s policies have destroyed this nation. It’s dead. It just hasn’t fallen over yet.
¡Viva la Reconquista de la Republica California!
Funny thing is that since the Democrats have no obstruction from the Republicans at this point, anything that goes wrong will still be blamed on the Republicans - either in the past, or in other states.
Us too..... we have 14 months 14 day and 6 hrs. and then we are free. We will sell our house and get out of here. Still trying to decide where to go.
Maybe Tiajuana is better than Calif.
Can’t leave...Filing bankruptcy to save my home.
Texas is NOT the place to go. I escaped to Texas 10 years ago and it’s turning into a liberal sh@thole. It’ll turn into a blue state within 10-15 years.
I’m aggressively looking at relocating to a solid red state. Utah, Wyoming, the Dakotas and Idaho look promising.
Crime has gone up exponentially, the libs have been moving in, delaing with water rationing, I’ve HAD ENOUGH. Not to mentioon La Rasa and the drug cartels.
The Republic of Texas has changed significantly since I came here, and its NOT for the better.
This is where a strong case for MASSIVE Statewide and possibly nationwide VOTER FRAUD can be made based on results nearly 100% beneficial to the government.
Last night was a disgrace to the notion of 'free and fair elections'. Unless strict Voter I.D. and purple ink on fingers is not enacted, there is absolutely no point in voting in ANY future election. This is the '2016; 0bama's America' that we were warned about. DISGUSTING AND VOMIT-INDUCING STANK.
“Republicans in the House need to stay strong and not allow that to happen.”
In others words, it will happen.
I’m in VA and am terrified at how blue we are becoming with the unabated growth of federal government in the north of the state. I am looking to move to a very red state as well. We should all try to choose one where we can live close to other conservative. At least when things go south we will have each other and not be at the mercy of rioters and looters.
And while you may be able to legally buy/use it, any employer can deny you employment for using it. There are employers that already prohibit tobacco use even off premises/after hours. Dopers were too focused on their own vice while condemning tobacco and alchy-haul.
Still trying to decide where to go
Idaho is gun friendly...
It just happened to the nation.
Left 9 years ago. The graffiti was getting closer to our neighborhood and bars were showing up on windows only a couple of miles away. Property values were high then and we haven’t looked back. We visited once and wondered how we ever lived in that mess.
And they will use this same excuse 10 years from now.
Will you be granted an exit visa?
Funny how they are talking about banning cigarettes even in your home but it is perfectly fine to light up a doobie. Gee, what about second hand smoke?
I live in Colorado and I was completely blown away by this passing.
If Texas said they were pulling out tonight, I’d have my pick-up loaded and be heading east out of Arizona by sunrise...
Are they going to “tax the hell out of it” so the ATMF can come busting in your door with armed agents for growing your own without paying the high taxes?
I live in San Felipe, Baja MX, 117 miles south of Calexico, CA. Very safe, one road in one road out, military check points each way. Very comfortable living, once you pay for your house, any thing from $40,00 to $550,000, living expenses are about $1,800.00, per month total and that is living very well.
Arizona looks good, and Sheriff Joe just got reelected.
Tool had it right. The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Left CA with my job for Utah almost 10 years ago now.
Learn to swim.
Idaho is actually a good choice. It is the stern of the Titanic. It will sink last. But with any luck it will break off first and stay afloat.
So robbing people will fix the state?
“Idaho is actually a good choice. It is the stern of the Titanic. It will sink last. But with any luck it will break off first and stay afloat.”
You must be reading my posts!
Last night destroyed my dream of retiring to Virginia. I had set my dreams on retiring to Lexington or Winchester or Blacksburg. Not now.
I already live in a red county in the blue state of California. There is no point in my moving to a red county in the blue state of Virginia. I know it is only becoming purple now, but it is on its way to solid blue.
So I’m now looking at eastern Tennessee.
We looked at Boise about 10 yesars ago. Might do it again.
So it is OK if I bring my 10,000 rounds of .223 with me?
We actually were considering Puerto Penasco or even Mazatlan. I’ll look at San Felipe.
“Running out of places to move Im afraid.”
Too true FRiend. My wife is eyeballing Toronto.
I’m damn near willing, yet this is where my loyalties lie.
“So it is OK if I bring my 10,000 rounds of .223 with me?”
Absolutely... in fact Idaho honors all CCW from other states. And I checked the bridges are load rated not to collapse when you drive that much armory over them.
Saw the writing on the wall.
British Virgin Islands
Utila has always interested me.
Do you live in San Filepe year round or just during the winter? Any opinion about the Ventana del Mar area?
Just like moonshine.
Always fun to watch people spin about how tobacco is bad for you but weed is just fine and dandy.
What worries me is now my chances of getting run into and killed on on the highway just doubled. Maybe more than that as millions migrate to Colorado because of the free flow of pot.
If Texas seceded, it could be fixed. Reform voting and cut off the free stuff.
All that really needs to be done to fix the whole nation is to limit voting to those who own property, have a job, pay taxes and are the head of a household.