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A Fork in the Road Part I
Steve Deace ^ | 11/7/2012 | Steve Deace

Posted on 11/07/2012 7:37:04 PM PST by JediJones

The very same people that have shoved Mitt McDoles down our throats for decades now will re-emerge from the ruling class to tell us that [Romney] was too conservative (I know, I laughed out loud, too)...

Romney did everything the cynical Karl Rove wing of the party says Republicans have to do to win...And he still lost.

Perhaps if Romney had gone after the president...on Benghazi the way he went after Gingrich and Santorum...he wouldn’t have lost.

[Obama] embraced his base, even on social issues....The progressives cast a vision that took more than one election cycle, followed it through, and won. They never detoured no matter what the facts were on the ground...

We no longer have a country that accepts many of our premises, so we have to go into evangelism mode. That requires a relationship and trust...it’s hard to build that rapport with people while demonizing them.

We are losing [young voters] by trying to win them over to...Judeo-Christian morality, personal responsibility, limited government... They've been educated in an environment that makes these values foreign to them. It will only get harder to win them over as they get older.

Solutions trump values every time because people always vote out of vested interest.

If 40 years after Roe v.Wade the culture doesn’t believe my own family line conceived in horrific and traumatic circumstances has the right to live, then we have lost the most crucial moral debate of this age and need to completely re-evaluate what we’re doing and why we’re doing it.

I remain optimistic....Providence has allowed us to live in a nation where we can control our own destiny,and we can do so again if we have the same courage of conviction demonstrated by past generations that gave us the freedom and liberty we currently enjoy.

(Excerpt) Read more at stevedeace.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barackobama; conservatism; mittromney; stevedeace; thechosenloser; thechosenrino
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To: muawiyah

Some of the 10 million have to be black guys. They comprise a big bloc of his coalition, so they will be represented in the 10 million. I’m thinking his major absentees will be seniors, who ended up voting for neither.


41 posted on 11/08/2012 5:20:27 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Or, many were dead. African American adult lifespans are shorter than other groups. I suspect the old civil rights battle generation is disappearing faster than the Democrats imagined would happen.


42 posted on 11/08/2012 5:31:34 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: entropy12

I am and know a lot of seniors and they are all vocal against obama. My contacts are in Ms,Tx,Ky,Tn,Ga,Fl,Pa, and Ok.


43 posted on 11/08/2012 7:58:06 AM PST by duffee (Romney 2012, NEWT 2016)
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To: JediJones

Benghazi? Holy crap. Last minute stuff. If the GOP had increased it’s Congressional acceptance for the past 4 years, voters would have had more confidence in Romney the mystery man.


44 posted on 11/08/2012 8:32:00 AM PST by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: duffee

Your friends live in red states...I am drowning here in WA state surrounded by liberals.


45 posted on 11/08/2012 9:12:34 AM PST by entropy12 (Ready for 3 SCOTUS appointments like Kagan, Sotomayor & Ginsburg? Free abortion on demand is here)
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To: xzins; nfnet; P-Marlowe
Despite concerns by some that Romney's Mormon faith would hurt his chances with evangelicals, Romney did better than McCain in 2008. McCain had 74 percent and Romney had 78 percent of the white evangelical vote.

Thank you Xzins!

We show up and vote even when our deepest concerns are not given the attention they deserve.

This election has made it very clear that the traditional values that made this country EXCEPTIONAL are now PASSE. Pubs can try and become Rat lite and feed from the crumbs of the Rats table, or embrace a full throated conservatism. I believe we will be a minority party for at least 20 years, but if we do the latter we will at least have our self respect.

It is not the values of Christians that has brought this disaster on the USA but the lack of Christian values that brought us this godless govt centered society.

46 posted on 11/08/2012 10:15:41 AM PST by wmfights
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To: txnativegop

You did send them packing and what happened-—you LOST.

You sent tea party conservatives packing and what happened-—you LOST.

For a big tent we want every one party you pretty much have the party to yourself, although I don’t know what you have accomplished but to become a cheap skate version of the democrat party, but hey, it’s your party. Try and win without us. Oops, you did and lost-—again.


47 posted on 11/08/2012 11:08:40 AM PST by sarge83
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To: muawiyah

You obviously have not read the treaty. But we will have to agree to disagree.


48 posted on 11/08/2012 11:33:21 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: muawiyah
You have obviously not read the treaty regarding when and where Catholics may or may not have offense ~ didn't you ever wonder why Spain gave up the East Coast of what is now the US?

It was a desolate wasteland then due to several decades of extreme drought.

The area simply wasn't assigned to Britain but it was allowed to come under mostly/kinda British rule ~ but the Dutch were specifically prohibited from entering into the region as a whole.

49 posted on 11/08/2012 11:49:18 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: entropy12

I really understand that, I have never really had to experience that, the precient I live in now is heavily republican but only slightly more than my county. I can’t even think of anyone I know who even considered voting for obama and that covers most of the South. You would always be welcome in Mississippi.


50 posted on 11/08/2012 12:52:49 PM PST by duffee (Romney 2012, NEWT 2016)
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To: txnativegop; VinL; ex-snook; sport; INVAR; ejonesie22; PieterCasparzen; Colonel_Flagg; Washi; ...
Those of you willing to sacrifice the Social Agenda for your pocket-book issues will be the death of the GOP.

Yep, this article points out that the success of Obama is directly related to Obama delivering the social agenda that his liberal base wants. If the GOP did the same, they would win elections like this one too.

Either the GOP stays "neutral" on social issues and part of their base stays home or the GOP fights for social conservatives and gets their votes and support. The Dems know how to keep a coalition party together. The GOP seems to think they're going to get social conservative votes "no matter what" so their elections don't have to be "about" abortion or same-sex marriage. This election proved that they need every vote they can get. Social conservatives are very willing to back fiscal and military conservative policies. So why do fiscal conservatives keep trying to throw our social policies under the bus and still expect us to come and and vote?

51 posted on 11/08/2012 2:29:54 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: xzins

The problem is much of this exit poll analysis is missing the fact that while there may be “gains” in percentages of certain groups, there were millions less voters that showed up. The numbers have to be crunched further to see if in raw totals more or less voters in a group turned out. Their percentage might have gone up but their actual numbers may still have gone down. Efforts to energize a segment of voters might have preserved their turnout even while overall turnout went down and helped decide the election. It seems that the Dems pulled that off with the whole gamut of racial minorities. Probably because the reason they voted in 2008 still exists exactly the same today...Obama is still a racial minority.


52 posted on 11/08/2012 2:34:11 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: superloser
A bigger tent is needed, and that means not necessarily compromising, but getting less strident about social issues that turn off the rest of the electorate you need in order to win.

So you're saying Romney was too "strident" on social issues?

LOL...

53 posted on 11/08/2012 2:35:46 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: superloser
Without those two social issues which liberals frame as "rights" and "fairness" issues -- language which really can't be overcome and is used like a club to bludgeon the GOP with -- you lose.

I disagree that the language can't be overcome. I also disagree that you need to (or can) "tamp down" those issues and stop the media from focusing on them. They're going to focus on whatever they want to and you can't stop them. Your language and answers should be so good that they won't want to focus on them.

For one thing, we have actual survivors of attempted abortion and of pregnancies from rape seen on conservative programming. Those people should be brought in to speak at the convention. And their personal stories should be highlighted in the response to these questions.

The marriage answer has to be more than "I believe marriage is between a man and woman." There could be an explanation of how traditional marriage is an institution we use as an example to raise our children into a stable, balanced family unit and perpetuate our society and way of life. And an explanation of the slippery slope when we try to claim gender differences don't matter, such as the banning of father/daughter dances.

54 posted on 11/08/2012 2:46:49 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: JediJones

GOP has to reconcile keeping people free from government and wanting government into social policies.


55 posted on 11/08/2012 2:48:25 PM PST by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: JediJones

have you noticed how the dems stay as far away from the gun control issue as they can during elections? It is because it a losing issue for them.

Likewise, as long as the GOP makes abortion and other social issues a central part of public campaigning, we will lose. the abortion issue is a losing issue during elections.

I am not saying we shouldn’t try to reverse Roe v Wade, we should, but the GOP must do everything it can to keep the issue out of consideration during a campaign.

When will the GOP learn the pragmatic lesson that the dems have already learned? Certain issues are best dealt with between campaigns not during them.


56 posted on 11/08/2012 2:59:32 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: JediJones
For one thing, we have actual survivors of attempted abortion and of pregnancies from rape seen on conservative programming. Those people should be brought in to speak at the convention. And their personal stories should be highlighted in the response to these questions.

Explain Todd Akin then. If this is working, then he wins, right?

The fact of the matter is that most women are not going to respond to an overt anti-abortion message. That's half of your electorate right there. How much of that are you willing to throw away? We just lost this election. How many more do you want to lose?

That's the question out there. It isn't a matter of right versus wrong. Its a matter of winning or losing and which side of that you want to be on.

Once you figure out what side you want to be on, then you carefully craft a message to thread the needle and turn off the fewest numbers of voters you can possibly turn off.

The opposition has this figured out. Why can't we?

57 posted on 11/08/2012 3:13:56 PM PST by superloser
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To: txnativegop
When will the GOP learn the pragmatic lesson that the dems have already learned? Certain issues are best dealt with between campaigns not during them.

It's not the GOP that brings up the issues. They were not a central part of this campaign. It's people like George Snuffaluppagus who ask about birth control in the debates on their own accord. They don't ask Dems about gun control because of what you said. We're going to be asked about it so we need to have good answers ready.

It's either that or you capitulate and flip-flop on what you think are "losing issues." That would mean you would have to agree that churches should be forced to give Sandra Flake her free birth control.

58 posted on 11/08/2012 3:44:33 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: ex-snook
GOP has to reconcile keeping people free from government and wanting government into social policies.

Not hard to reconcile. We don't want government to do anything more than what the founding fathers intended. They declared we have the right to life, liberty, etc., so we cannot allow abortion.

As for marriage, the government isn't getting involved in anything by not allowing same-sex marriage. They are staying totally out of same-sex relationships by not allowing same-sex marriage. Anyone can get married in a church of their choice. Doesn't mean the government has to provide benefits for it.

59 posted on 11/08/2012 3:47:53 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: superloser
The fact of the matter is that most women are not going to respond to an overt anti-abortion message. That's half of your electorate right there. How much of that are you willing to throw away? We just lost this election. How many more do you want to lose?

Once you figure out what side you want to be on, then you carefully craft a message to thread the needle and turn off the fewest numbers of voters you can possibly turn off.

Carefully crafting a message is easy to do when the media's on your side. They never asked Obama about same-sex marriage in debates despite him radically changing his party's policy and his own position this year. So the DNC was able to carefully drop subtle references to it at the convention without saying it outright, and no one called them on it. Our guys could've called 'em on it, run ads about it, but they're either cowards or social liberals who agree with Obama.

Bottom line is, I'm happy to lose as many elections as I need to while standing up for my bedrock, core principles. That's what the left did on same-sex marriage, and they're not only winning elections on it and changing the laws of the land, but they're changing the public's mind on the issue slowly but surely. They didn't back away, they fought hard for what they believe in. I'm going to do the same for what I believe in. And if we unite on that and form great arguments, we will change the public's mind as well. Abortion is a far more important issue to me than gun control, taxes and many other conservative planks. If the party flips on that issue, I'll flip on them while I flip them off. Your mileage may vary.

60 posted on 11/08/2012 3:53:49 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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