Posted on 11/08/2012 5:38:40 AM PST by Hojczyk
Former Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain is calling for the creation of a third political party — saying it is clear to him that neither major political party is willing to address the nation’s economic problems.
“We need a third party to save this country,” Cain told American Family Radio host Bryan Fischer. “This country is in trouble and it is clear that neither party — is going to fix the problems we face.”
Cain agreed with Fischer’s assessment that conservatives are growing tired of being ignored by Republican party leadership — and that many believe the GOP no longer speaks for them.
Cain said it was troubling that Mitt Romney received fewer votes than John McCain did in 2008 — suggesting that many conservatives did not vote on Tuesday.
“I don’t believe the Republican Party has the ability to rebrand itself against the mainstream media machine that blatantly works to support this president and other liberals as well as the Democrats,” Cain told the radio host.
Cain said it would take money, leadership and at least 50 coalitions to create a viable third political party.
“You need one for every state because of the whacky rules state by state that they have that make it difficult for a third party to emerge,” he said. He said the new party could be made up of not only disenfranchised Republicans — but also Democrats.
“There are just as many disgruntled Democrats would probably be a part of this movement as there are Republicans — who are sick of the political class,” Cain told American Family Radio. “Realistically, it is more viable today than it has ever been.”
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let’s make this short, do what you think is right.
I’m willing to put my money and energy behind a conservative party. That’s the best I can do. Yes talk is cheap and repetition is lazy and harmful.
“I don’t act on historical precedent. I act on my interest and what I think is best for the country.
The new party WILL BE the second party, so you can ride into the background with the moderates.
As long as we keep doing what we have been doing, we’ll get what we’ve been getting.”
“I would offer up historical impeti that have spurred such movements for comparison, but you assign zero value to history.”
“If it’s going to get done, third party, it had better start now with a head of steam.”
wideawake, it’s not that I assign zero value to history, but it seems that you assign to much value to it, if you are saying that there have been some failures in the past, so this can’t succeed.
I feel like I have been in the twilight zone for the last four years, waking up in a new nightmare every day.
How about the Whig’s - they are a testament that change really can happen.
How about the recent history of the losers McCain and Romney, that the pubs put up against Obama?
I offer those as evidence that what we are doing is not working,
After Tea Party conservatives pulled off HISTORIC wins for the 2010 midterms, what thanks did we get from the party, or at the convention?
A thumb in the eyes, again.
I’d say we have a good head of steam right now, if we can find someone to carry the message, that we can’t keep borrowing 40 cents of every dollar we spend.
The Whig party was highly unstable - it effectively collapsed after 16 years of existence.
The Whigs, not an effective party in themselves, became the core of the highly effective Republican Party.
The Tea Party cannot be an effective party unto itself, much like the Whigs could not be.
Moreover, the Whigs only became the second party because the Federalists had basically ceased to exist.
If the GOP had only gotten 25% of the vote in this election, that would have recreated the circumstances for its dissoultion and replacement.
The GOP is not dead. It still polls almost 50% nationally. It is stalled out.
It needs new leadership.
We choose to call it pro life... not moving anywhere, just never going to give another dollar to the Repubs, and am totally independent from now on. If a conservative party emerges, I’ll give my resources to them. If Repubs put up the best candidate and is conservative I’ll vote for them...otherwise they can eat sh_t and die as a political party.
The GOP openly savaged conservatives in general and the Tea Party in particular. I have no further loyalty to the rudderless GOP.
The GOP Elite once again tried the worn-out “moderate” approach and again proved that “reaching across the aisle” is a recipe for disaster, as if we had to learn that lesson again. So screw ‘em.
Conservatives need an outlet of our own. Let’s say what is truly in our hearts and finally offer candidates that we can vote FOR without holding our noses. Third party? Hell yeah! Sarah Palin at the head of it? Hell yeah!
Doesn’t matter unless the Vote is fixed.
“Historically, third parties have helped the two main parties win elections.”
Bingo!
Bush won Florida in 2000 by 537 votes while 97,488 voted for third party Nader and so the election went to George not Gore.
Clinton won the 1992 election with only 43% of the vote, HW Bush lost with 37% but the little guy from TX siphoned off 19%.
If there are three candidates running then the top two vote getters should face each other in a runnoff. That way the winner has the final majority margin.
If not the likely 2nd choice for a larger margin ends up being the President.
Winning the presidency with 43% means 57% didn’t want you.
“I’d say we have a good head of steam right now, if we can find someone to carry the message, that we can’t keep borrowing 40 cents of every dollar we spend.”
You dream of a red hot conservative TP’er winning a national election with the current demographics? and the way things are headed?
And what segment is having babies at the fastest clip?
And from what segment are these 43% of unwed mothers?
I can’t say I know just what to do but the future belongs to the majority and they are concentrated in the major population centers. We of the traditional mindset are fast slipping back in numbers, have you noticed? The next generation isn’t like us at all!
We need to teach better values, to win their hearts and minds back to morality and the value of personal responsibility.
But right now we and our values are on our way out! White males are being equated with the devil, a nasty lie that denigrates the white male’s historic contribution in building and running this Country based simply on gender and race.
This needs to be challenged. Identity politics has become accepted as true. It is the opposite of the American dream of a color blind society rewarding people for their accomplishment. Identity politics is evil and bases all judgments on a shallow metric of outward appearances.
We’re all frustrated but let’s face it, red hot anything is only a sliver of the electorate. And the demographics of the Country certainly seem to be changing AWAY from us. Without a coalition of similar interests we’ll not carry a national election by ourselves.
Bush Senior, Dole, McCain, Romney
All RINOs, good true,
Clueless about their BASE,
Constitution, Taxes and Spending too.
How many times is loss enough?
When should The Base say ENOUGH?
“Repeal and Replace” said R and R,
Shunt to the PC sidetrack
Is an option to consider,
But a new Third Prarty
Better have a damn good Leader!
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My other 2 cents:
The purpose of our future battles is to win the WAR, just as Breitbart warned us.
On the positive side we need to list what the problems are.
On the negative side we need to list what mistakes were made.
If our goal is to live within our means, then this is an excellent opportunity for us to focus on how best to achieve that goal.
As Paul Harvey said: “WHEN YOUR OUTGO EXCEEDS YOUR INCOME, YOUR UPKEEP WILL BE YOUR DOWNFALL.”
“If the GOP had only gotten 25% of the vote in this election, that would have recreated the circumstances for its dissoultion and replacement.
The GOP is not dead. It still polls almost 50% nationally. It is stalled out.”
It is dead to me.
I was going to vote for loser McCain because I had an inkling how bad infanticide Barack was.
After he made Sarah Palin his VP nominee, I got enthusiastic, and was happy to vote for her.
I haven’t sent a penny to the GOP since they took out Herman Cain.
Instead of supporting the man who had the best chance of taking out Obama, and returning power to the people, they threw him under the bus over baseless allegations.
Since then, I have only donated to pro-life candidates of my choosing, after doing my own research.
Fine. But it is demonstrably not dead electorally, and therefore not yet replaceable.
the man who had the best chance of taking out Obama
I agree that the way Cain was treated over those allegations was outrageous.
But under what reasoning did he have the "best chance"?
Even if it is God's will, not even the colonists sat by and took it. God still expects us to WORK, He'll provide the victory.
“...the “elites” enjoy in Soddom-on-the-Potomac.....”
and we all know what happened to Sodom.....
As a person who has railed against third parties and the folly of doing so, I’m now ready. It’s time and Herman Cain is on to something.
“But under what reasoning did he have the “best chance”?”
Because he was able to persuade people that we have problems that we need to face.
Have you seen the focus group after the first debate? People are hungry for a real leader.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXHX1AyHU4Q
Cain WON the first debate, blew away the focus groups, (and many of us who have been watching him for years), but the polls and news people barely talked about him!
But when people see him, they love him.
He was at the TOP of the positive intensity scores for many weeks.
After people in this straw poll saw him speak, they wanted to change the votes they had already cast for others, but weren’t able to.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/31/cain-comes-on-strong-out-west/
He still stomped Perry, who was also at the summit, 48% to 13%.
He supports the Fair Tax, to take power away from DC, and give it back to the people, so the establishment was trying to ignore him.
He is 10 times better than any of the politicians out there.
What is your position on the Fair Tax?
For months, there was a buildup of the of the Florida straw poll when they assured us that it was “a poll that has historically predicted the eventual Republican nominee for President.”
As long as they thought Perry or Romney would win, they kept talking about how the winner would surely be the Republican nominee.
Florida Straw Poll Results: Herman Cain Wins
Cain 37% Perry 15% Romney 14%
We need someone who understands and can persuade others that free people in a free economy is the best system in the world.
Uuuuhhh, I thought Cain got caught in a lie about his lady friend. That didn’t happen? That isn’t what stopped his campaign? Now he’s your knight in shining armor?
I loved Cain. I sent him money! But Cain let us down. He Bill Clintoned his own political future. You can now, post BC, be a liberal and a scoundrel, for some reason they don’t care. But you can’t be a conservative and horse around on your wife. It’s just not the same.
We care!
Everybody that had known him and worked with him for decades said they didn’t believe it.
Even Ann Coulter said the accusations were utterly unbelievable.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47857
Just because she’s a rino that I don’t agree with about everything, doesn’t mean to me that if she has evidence, we can’t look at it.
And the Former Chairman of Board of NRA tried to get the truth out to the media, but they weren’t interested.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2816755/posts
He said that the woman who claimed that Herman Cain had felt her up, had hit on this guy the very first day he was on the job. [Sharon Bialek] And he said that she had left the company before he even hired Herman Cain.
So there was evidence that Herman Cain was innocent, but the media buried the truth.
After seeing in this election what the media does to conservatives, I’d say it’s time to learn to fight back, instead of falling for their smears and giving up on good people.
I read your post TWICE and I gotta say you are 100% CORRECT in what you're saying.
The time for all of us to ACT on such an idea is NOW.
I’m all for fighting the smear mongers. Herman weathered the Sharon Bialek accusations and was still in the race, going even stronger. In fact his donations increased! [mine included]. I loved the guy!
What he wasn’t able to shake were the allegations from a second woman, Ginger White. She claimed to have had a 13 year affair with him and had received payments from Mr. Cain that he acknowledged his wife knew nothing about.
This is from the article that YOU posted ““She was out of work and had trouble paying her bills, and I had known her as a friend,” Cain said, emphasizing that there was no sexual affair. “She wasn’t the only friend who I had helped in these tough economic times, and so her messages to me were relating to ‘need money for rent’ or whatever the case may be. I don’t remember all the specifics.”
“I’m a soft-hearted person when it comes to that stuff. I have helped members of my church. I have helped members of my family,” he said. “And I know a lot of other people who had done the same thing, and sometimes, quite frankly, it was desperation.” “
Did you miss the part where it says he EMPHASIZED there was no sexual affair?
I heard some people on here and the radio say, well if I had a chance, I’d have done it, so he must have done it.
Personally, I believe he’s telling the truth, not the woman, but if I knew he made a mistake in his life, it would still matter more to me who would be better for the economy.
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