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The Case of the Missing White Voters (7 Millions White Voters Stayed Home)
RCP ^ | 11/8/12 | Sean Trende

Posted on 11/08/2012 7:35:11 AM PST by LdSentinal

One of the more intriguing narratives for election 2012 was proposed by political scientist Brendan Nyhan fairly early on: that it was "Bizarro 2004." The parallels to that year certainly were eerie: An incumbent adored by his base but with middling approval ratings nationally faces off against an uncharismatic, wishy-washy official from Massachusetts. The race is tight during the summer until the president breaks open a significant lead after his convention. Then, after a tepid first debate for the incumbent, the contest tightens, bringing the opposition tantalizingly close to a win, but not quite close enough.

The Election Day returns actually continued the similarities. George W. Bush won by 2.4 percent of the popular vote, which is probably about what Obama’s victory margin will be once all the ballots are counted. Republicans in 2004 won some surprising Senate seats, and picked up a handful of House seats as well. The GOP was cheered, claiming a broad mandate as a result of voters’ decision to ratify clear, unified Republican control of Congress and the presidency for the first time since 1928. As Bush famously put it, “I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it.”

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012obamafraud; america; duplicate; voters; white
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To: cydcharisse

On Tuesday morning, it was reported that republican poll watchers were kicked out of Philadelphia precincts and replaced with dem poll watchers. Via court order, the republican poll watchers were allowed back around lunch time. What happened in their absence? In a related story also posted on FR, it is reported that some Philadelphia precincts had an 85 PERCENT TURNOUT. Were the dem poll watchers running dem friendly ballots over and over again in the morning when the republicans were not there?

From reports on Tuesday, turnout in urban and dem friendly areas was reported light to moderate. It was HEAVY in the republican ones. This is not passing the smell test, folks.


51 posted on 11/08/2012 8:49:39 AM PST by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: cherry

No, Romney was a fake.

Did you not read the “truth file” Jim Robinson himself kept on Romney here at FreeRepublic.

The only difference between Romney and Obama is Obama doesn’t lie about being a communist.


52 posted on 11/08/2012 8:51:18 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Correct. The best we would have gotten from Romney was slowing down the destruction by a nano-second. Perhaps many felt it just wasn’t worth it.


53 posted on 11/08/2012 8:51:58 AM PST by khelus
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

“>>Many people saw through the white washed tomb of Romney’s exterior into the rotted core of corruption and death that is his soul.<<

I must say, you have a flair for the melodramatic.”

I’m quoting a rather bright guy who dealt with other hypocrits of his day -— people who were scrupulous with their appearance and outward, but practiced filthy machniations in the background, just like Romney.

Don’t forget how Romney lied about, well, basically every other Republican running for the nomination.

He’d send out surrogates just at the right time when they were getting momemntum.

Romney’s lie would prove false, but then it was too late, the money was gone, momentum lost.

I am very sad Obama is president, but the only thing to celebrate is Romney is not.


54 posted on 11/08/2012 8:58:55 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: iopscusa

5) if given the choice, voters will pick a real Dem over a fake Dem with an R behind his name....


55 posted on 11/08/2012 9:07:14 AM PST by Uriah_lost (Is there no balm in Gilead?....MiE (Mainer in Exile))
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To: Oldpuppymax

And just what is he basing that on
I didn’t see any numbers posted in that article or any polls taken
I does he know they stayed home


56 posted on 11/08/2012 9:08:05 AM PST by uncbob
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To: LdSentinal

Where do those numbers come from? Texas doesn’t have a place for race on their voter registration applications.


57 posted on 11/08/2012 9:09:59 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: TMA62

I hope somebody does an analysis on vote fraud in the coming weeks
It sure as hell seems fishy
Whether enough to get Obama elected is the question


58 posted on 11/08/2012 9:13:15 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Oldpuppymax

I just read it


59 posted on 11/08/2012 9:13:47 AM PST by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: TomGuy

The Nielson numbers are telling—there are some signs that a significant number of Americans have “dropped out” of politics.

Republicans need to poll, survey, focus group folks who did not vote. They need to know, not guess, why.


60 posted on 11/08/2012 9:14:09 AM PST by cgbg (HLM--"Democracy is the theory that people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.")
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To: LdSentinal
missing
61 posted on 11/08/2012 9:16:51 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: downtownconservative

“Thanks for helping Obama win!”

And once the visitors from south of the border are made citizens, we will never win another national election. We lost this one because of the usual people that vote democrat and it will be a push over for the dems when they add 15 million more to their rolls.( Which will happen in the next 4 years.)


62 posted on 11/08/2012 9:28:01 AM PST by depenzz
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To: ishmac
"---we still need to ask where were these voters staying home?"

South Carolina saw less than .1% voter dropoff comparing 2012 to 2008.

2008 total votes: 1,897,345

2010 total votes 1,895,263

Romney percent of vote 55.4%

McCain percent of vote 53.9%

No descernable purist or religous backlash seen from these numbers in South Carolina. However, there is no evidence of a massive wave turnout for the GOP either. Maybe someone can do similar stats for Ohio and Virginia, but my thought is that Team Obama simply did a surperior job of identifying their voters and getting them to actually vote in the swing states.

63 posted on 11/08/2012 9:29:43 AM PST by buckalfa (Nabob of Negativity)
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To: buckalfa

Doh!, 2010 should read 2012.


64 posted on 11/08/2012 9:32:31 AM PST by buckalfa (Nabob of Negativity)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Very hateful article. I am Christian and did not stay home due to Mitt’s MMormum religion.
65 posted on 11/08/2012 9:40:52 AM PST by Moleman
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To: LdSentinal; All
Romney lost because he was, and is, a liberal with an “R” by his name. Also, a number of Christians didn't vote for him because of his liberal social views now and in the past. Also, a number of Christians didn't vote for him because he is a Mormon. Each person votes his/her conscience on these matters.

Condemnation from others about someones vote is un-American. Freedom of thought is an American value. Dumping on conservatives who didn't vote for Romney, calling them horrific names, is a despicable thing to do.

When a conservative is the Republican candidate, the base of the party will come back. However, I don't think the GOPe will ever get behind a conservative to make sure he is the candidate (as they did Romney). I don't think the GOPe will ever let a conservative be the candidate.

Remember, the mantra of the GOPe was, “Romney is electable.” Don't vote for the others in the primary, because “Romney is electable.” I heard that over and over and knew it wasn't true - and it wasn't.

As for me, I don't vote for liberals, period.

66 posted on 11/08/2012 9:43:05 AM PST by Marcella (“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic)
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To: Moleman
I am Christian and did not stay home due to Mitt’s MMormum religion.

You didn't. Nor did I.

But, undeniably, some did. Some Evangelicals could not bring themselves to vote for a Morman.

But the interesting thing about this phenomenon is this. In June, 2012, Gallup ran a survey concerning this issue: All other things being equal, would you vote for a Morman?

The following percentages of the electorate voted "No":

Republicans, 10% said "No".

Independents, 18% said "No".

Democrats, a whopping 24% said "No".

67 posted on 11/08/2012 9:47:01 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Read the link, but it’s all opinion no facts.


68 posted on 11/08/2012 9:50:16 AM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: buckalfa

Interesting. I’m sure numbers from the various states will start coming out. And there’s no doubt that turnout on our side was down. That’s very unexpected and disappointing after 2010.


69 posted on 11/08/2012 9:51:27 AM PST by ishmac (Lady Thatcher: There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.)
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To: cherry

No more begging for votes? What exactly is it that you think political parties do?

If you don’t want people to vote Republican, well, there are plenty of Americans more than happy to comply with that request, so I’m sure you will be satisfied.


70 posted on 11/08/2012 10:16:21 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Seven million voters stayed home, according to this story. If you accept that as true, your responses is flawed.

If an Evangelical or conservative didn’t want to vote for Romney, they could vote for Virgil Goode, or Gary Johnson.

In most states, one or the other were available. There were also senate races, and other contests in other states, that they should have been showing up to vote for.

Or they could have written in Jesus, like some were said to be doing.

Staying home isn’t principled. I won’t fault someone for refusing to vote for Romney. I will fault them for sitting in their comfy chair at home and pretending they are doing the principled thing. And if they showed up, they wouldn’t be “missing”.


71 posted on 11/08/2012 10:17:38 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Marcella

“Condemnation from others about someones vote is un-American. Freedom of thought is an American value. Dumping on conservatives who didn’t vote for Romney, calling them horrific names, is a despicable thing to do.”

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Folks around here are getting as bad as the blacks who call each other “Uncle Tom” if they dare choose to vote differently than the majority. It’s their vote, and they can do whatever the hell they want with it, no party is entitled to it. If we want their vote, WE need to convince them to give it to us, and if we can’t do that, it’s OUR failure, not theirs.


72 posted on 11/08/2012 10:26:17 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
“Thank you, thank you, thank you. Folks around here are getting as bad as the blacks who call each other “Uncle Tom” if they dare choose to vote differently than the majority.”

I really got sick of “Obama thanks you for your vote.” and “If you don't vote for Romney, that's a vote for Obama.”

Romney is a liberal and I don't vote for liberals. When Jim said he was voting for Romney, all hell broke loose on us who weren't going to vote for Romney. For the record, I didn’t vote for McCain, either.

Romney and the GOPe thought they had the conservative base trapped - they would have to vote for Romney. Those liberal people don't get it. Some of us aren't buying their liberal crap.

When I watched Romney's strong arm Sununu and Romney's lawyer and the national chairman pass that rule that would cut out any delegate Romney didn't want and replace those delegates with his choices, the next time, I knew I was seeing the real Romney - cut throat I don't care what you want, you will do it my way because I now own you. Well, he doesn't own jack now. He is the reason he wasn't elected and a pox on the national chairman for giving Romney anything he wanted, even the whole party while cutting out conservatives/tea party/Palin. Let Romney soak in his own failure and don't blame it on anyone but him.

73 posted on 11/08/2012 11:17:42 AM PST by Marcella (“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic)
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To: Marcella

“Romney and the GOPe thought they had the conservative base trapped - [we] would have to vote for Romney. Those liberal people don’t get it. Some of us aren’t buying their liberal crap.”

Hear, hear.

Perhaps now the GOPe will realize that “vote for us because the Democrats are so bad” no longer works.


74 posted on 11/08/2012 11:33:09 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: sbMKE

The neighbor needs to be reported. That was elder abuse and a violation of election law.


75 posted on 11/08/2012 11:45:26 AM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate Freepers for giving him four more years!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Boy you sure showed us.

Obamacare being fully implemented -> Its on you and those like you.

Loss of the supreme court and all that follows from that-> On You

No chance to reign in EPA, DOJ, TSA, -> On you

It would be poetic justice if the coming death panel stamps DECLINED on your file.

But when you are wallowing in misery you can at least smile to yourself knowing that you taught us all a lesson.

Far too many people on our side cant see forest for the trees. The lesser of evils is still less evil. Those that didn’t vote for Romney have no reason to complain about what’s coming our way because through inaction this is what they chose.


76 posted on 11/08/2012 11:47:10 AM PST by ynnug
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To: ynnug; TheThirdRuffian
Boy you sure showed us. Obamacare being fully implemented -> Its on you and those like you. Loss of the supreme court and all that follows from that-> On You No chance to reign in EPA, DOJ, TSA, -> On you It would be poetic justice if the coming death panel stamps DECLINED on your file. But when you are wallowing in misery you can at least smile to yourself knowing that you taught us all a lesson.

There is a reason they are known as libtards and Paultards.

77 posted on 11/08/2012 11:53:35 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: ynnug

“Its on you and those like you.”

It’s on liberal Romney - he lost his election - his fault.


78 posted on 11/08/2012 12:12:42 PM PST by Marcella (“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic)
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To: LdSentinal
Make sure you read the full article. He explains in detail WHICH white voters stayed home, as quoted in bold here.

Where things drop off are in the rural portions of Ohio, especially in the southeast. These represent areas still hard-hit by the recession. Unemployment is high there, and the area has seen almost no growth in recent years.

My sense is these voters were unhappy with Obama. But his negative ad campaign relentlessly emphasizing Romney’s wealth and tenure at Bain Capital may have turned them off to the Republican nominee as well. The Romney campaign exacerbated this through the challenger’s failure to articulate a clear, positive agenda to address these voters’ fears, and self-inflicted wounds like the “47 percent” gaffe. Given a choice between two unpalatable options, these voters simply stayed home.

I'm in total agreement with this article. This is an astute analysis. The numbers add up and it makes perfect sense with reality. The article shows that in at least Ohio, the lower turnout came from white, blue-collar areas. The Bain ads worked, just as they did in Romney's 1994 Senate race and in the South Carolina primary when Newt Gingrich released the "King of Bain" video.

The primary voters were warned by Newt's campaign that Romney was unelectable, but the Republican establishment continued insisting he was the most electable candidate. The GOP elite is so out-of-touch with working class people that they could not understand how unappealing and unlikable those ads made Romney look. Either that or they didn't care.

If you remember, Newt was savaged by the elites for daring to criticize Romney's business career. I think he backed off after that or just ran out of money in Florida.

The elites and the voters alike failed to accept the fact that these were exactly the kind of ads the Democrats would run and that if they hurt Romney in a Republican primary, they sure would in a general election.

This election was lost in the primary because the voters nominated an unelectable candidate. He was unelectable not because of ideology, but because of unique vulnerabilities to him based on his private business dealings. The conservative base probably did turn out just to vote Obama out. But the swing voters we needed were poisoned by the Bain ads.

If we had nominated Newt, he would be president-elect right now. He had even floated Hispanic governor Susana Martinez as a potential V.P. pick for him. Because of Newt's political astuteness, he would probably have selected either Rubio or Martinez as his V.P., giving him another boost in the final vote.

79 posted on 11/08/2012 12:35:39 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: Will88
I have no doubt that fewer people voted than last time. I firmly believe that Romney will exceed McCain's 59 million. It is Obama who failed to get more of his voters to turn out this time.

We didn't have the final totals for 2008 until after Thanksgiving Day. There are literally millions of votes out there that will be posted, which will give us a better picture of what happened. Having been involved in the VA effort,including ORCA, we did a great job in getting out our voters.

In 2008 Obama won VA with 1,959,532 to McCain's 1,725,005. In 2012, so far with 97% of the vote counted, Obama has 1,885,952 to Romney's 1,773,982. Romney already has 50,000 more votes than McCain had total.

Kaine running for the senate has 30,000 more votes than Obama has and Allen has 36,000 less than Romney.

We will see how the final vote comes out, but I cannot fault Romney in VA for getting out the vote. Here in Fairfax County we reduced Obama's margin of victory from 110,000 to 90,000. Obama got 50,000 less than last time and we had 27,000 less for the GOP.

80 posted on 11/08/2012 12:43:49 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Yesterday afternoon I started a comparison of McCain in 2008 and Romney this year, then realized quickly that many states still had 5%-10%, or more of their votes still not counted. Stopped working on it and still haven’t resumed. Now it’s being discussed widely so some in the media should produce some decent analysis soon.

The puzzle for me is still why, apparently, the level of Republican enthusiasm was so overestimated by many pundits, and even all those early voting comparisons that were supposed to favor Republicans. Some really erroneous assumptions were latched onto by Dick Morris and others. I doubt Morris will recover from this one.


81 posted on 11/08/2012 12:57:26 PM PST by Will88
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I am afraid that if my brother had done that I might have punched my brother for abusing my father that way. What a punk.


82 posted on 11/08/2012 12:59:56 PM PST by RetiredArmy (November 6, 2012: The day the United States Republic DIED.)
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To: Boogieman

Well Boogerman, you can pat the SOBs on the back for giving the commie four more years to destroy MY Country but I would rather kick their asses and if you and they don’t like it, so what? If they didn’t care now, what makes you think they’d be loyal at any time?


83 posted on 11/08/2012 1:01:25 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil or Evil Doers)
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To: cgbg
Republicans need to poll, survey, focus group folks who did not vote. They need to know, not guess, why.

Republicans first need to poll to confirm that people did not vote.

How do we know that they did, in fact, vote, but that their votes were lost or otherwise not counted?

-PJ

84 posted on 11/08/2012 1:02:28 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: LdSentinal

I say the missing GOP was there, but their votes were siphoned off to bama


85 posted on 11/08/2012 1:13:42 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: wiggen

“. . that thread was pulled about the missing military votes.”

THANKS! Yeah. It was evidently from a spoof site and intended to be a joke supposedly. Some joke!


86 posted on 11/08/2012 1:30:57 PM PST by Twinkie (REMEMBER BENGHAZI !!!!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

“If they didn’t care now, what makes you think they’d be loyal at any time?”

See, there’s your problem, assuming that voters are going to all sign on for ideology and be “loyal”, like the handful of political junkies that post to sites like this. The vast majority of the electorate doesn’t operate like that. They have their opinions and preferred ideology, but they don’t worry about it as much as we do, they just go about their daily lives. So you can blame the tiny minority of a tiny minority that refused to vote for Romney for ideological reasons, or you can look at reality and discover that what really happened was that Mitt couldn’t motivate the average voters in numbers that were needed to win.

If you want your party to win elections, you need to figure out how to get those people excited about voting for your guy, not put the blame on irrelevant scapegoats and then rail against them. That accomplishes nothing, except to make you look bitter and angry.


87 posted on 11/08/2012 1:48:08 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: The Sons of Liberty

“Well Boogerman...”

Just noticed that, really clever. Please remember to put your toys away before you go to bed, kid.


88 posted on 11/08/2012 2:41:26 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: BitWielder1

I can’t help but think a lot of votes have gone missing.

BINGO!!


89 posted on 11/08/2012 2:48:03 PM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: LdSentinal; All

Be prepared to hear all about lots of “voters staying home”...the Bipartisan Oligarchy would rather we all stew in that mess..than having us all bothered, and deciding to investigate, about all the voters voting who never voted...

Listening to descriptions of how “Democrats got out their ground game” with “superior ability to bring those to the polls who normally would never go” by the commentators on Fox election night..made me realize..what they actually have done is track names that HAVE NOT VOTED IN MANY, MANY elections cycles....and vote them.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/23/No-Car-Finds-2-214-Registered-Voters-110-Years-of-Age-Older

A well-funded project, county-by-county..to examine the names signed in at at the polls..and going out to find those individuals..you’ll find they were never physically at he polls..or they themselves never filled out the absentee ballot....or their names in the death registers.


90 posted on 11/08/2012 2:54:20 PM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: LdSentinal

Many who live near the cities were afraid that blacks would riot if their messiah lost.


91 posted on 11/08/2012 3:33:56 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: ynnug

Nope, it’s on the GOPe who foisted a RINO onto us, thinking we wouldn’t leave the plantation.

Well, I’ve left the plantation, and don’t answer to you no more.


92 posted on 11/08/2012 3:54:38 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

How soon you forget the Romney Truth File from the founder of this site.

Romney was a lying sack of garbage who lied about the many good men who ran for the Republican nomination.

He no more derved to be president than Obama.


93 posted on 11/08/2012 3:57:48 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
He no more derved to be president than Obama.

Tell me which candidate you believe deserved to be POTUS? Who was the knight in shining armor, the can't miss candidate shunned by an undeserving electorate.

94 posted on 11/08/2012 4:28:14 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: Boogieman

Just learned how to read did you? Well, i guess they even let first grade dropouts like yourself here.


95 posted on 11/08/2012 5:44:54 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil or Evil Doers)
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To: Boogieman

Just learned how to read did you? Well, i guess they even let first grade dropouts like yourself here.


96 posted on 11/08/2012 5:44:58 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil or Evil Doers)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Stay classy, FRiend.


97 posted on 11/08/2012 9:59:00 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Alaska Wolf

“Tell me which candidate you believe deserved to be POTUS?”

Any of the given candidates in the Republican primary that Romney lied about, slandered, and buried with lies and ROPe help.

Romney is filth who lied his way to the nomination.

Now that you’ve had you pity party, I suggest you do what you can do to make sure that an actual principaled conservative gets the nomination in 2016 so 7 million Republicans don’t stay home like we did this time.


98 posted on 11/09/2012 8:20:48 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: ishmac
Yeah, 2010 was the perfect storm created by the the Tea Party in behalf of the GOPe. 2010 was an off year election where turnout is generally low creating a scenario where a relatively small number of motivated people can flip a congressional race. 2010 was an outlier that blinded many to the true political demographics of the nation. This caused many polls to be wrong and created a false hope that Romney could and would win. The final vote tally for 2012 will be closer to 2008 when all the results are in, so there will probably not be a huge difference in turnout between the two elections. I think the final chapter about this election will not be so much that republicans stayed home, but rather there is a significant change in the nation's demographics that is occurring and that Team Obama earned the victory by being better able to target sympathetic voters and physically getting them to vote. Unfortunately the GOP is old, white, and male, traits that one can longer build a winning election coalition around.
99 posted on 11/09/2012 10:30:56 AM PST by buckalfa (Nabob of Negativity)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Romney is filth

You really are a drama queen. LOL!

100 posted on 11/09/2012 11:50:56 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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